George Floyd murderer's trial

[LoAmmo]

This may be related.

I don't know what kind of fucking Right-Wing echo chamber blog you think you're quoting "research" from, but...you can keep it.
Among the other, ummm..."research topics" available here are:

"Evidence of Voter Fraud in the 2020 Presidential Election" (although, paradoxically, the topic isn't empty.)

"On Trusting Academic Experts" (Spoiler Alert: one shouldn't. Imagine that.)

"American Racism and the Anti-White Left" (hint: all of us white Lefties are super guilty of this.)

"Jewish Influence on American Politics" (Do tell! I'm listening. This sounds like an intriguing new angle that's never been brought forth before.)

"How Deadly is the Coronavirus?" (Catch it and see, fuckstick. Bonus points for never wearing a mask and refusing the vaccine.)


Considering the source, I think I'll consider the source.

 

[lpetrich]

Right-wingers contradict themselves about the COVID-19 virus:

• It's a non-issue.
• China deserves a *lot* of blame for its spread to humanity.

If it's a non-issue, then China is not this horrible villain. If China is a horrible villain, then the disease is a very serious one.

As to what I think that COVID-19 deniers ought to do, I'm concerned that saying that here might violate this site's Terms of Service.

 

[laughing dog]

Juror Mitchell attended a MLK memorial march, not a BLM event (https://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2021/05/04/derek-chauvin-juror-brandon-mitchells-participation-in-d-c-march-could-help-appeal-legal-experts-say/ is but on report on this).

Whether a court will find this grounds to grant a retrial awaits to be seen. But attending a memorial about a MLK speech should not, in and of itself, indicate any bias whatsoever.

 

[Gospel]

Maybe white peoples need to address the white on white crime before they start pointing fingers.

White on white homicides are about 5 times less frequent on a per capita basis than black on black homicides.
That is one reason your objection does not hold water.

The second is that white people do not identify with and glorify white thugs in the way many blacks identify with and glorify black thugs.
When somebody white is gunned down by police because he shot two other people (like in the case of Pat Pat), white people do not protest, much less riot and loot.

Where was I when this trash fell off the dump truck? Hollywood (run by white people since conception btw) has glorified a lot of thugs. Some of those glorifications affect the black community in ways that feed both your preconception that somehow we're all rotten and the reason no mention of good black people will ever leave your lips or fingertips.

 

[atrib]

I'm just happy that people like Derec can argue that claiming to be brutalized by the police because your black is just in vogue and not at all based in reality

It most certainly happens, but far less frequently than #BLM claims. Most of their protests/riots have been about justified shootings, starting with OG Michael Brown.

That said, I think Chauvin definitely committed police brutality. I do not think he is a murderer though, or that he got a fair trial in Minnepolis.

Chauvin committed a felony by illegally assaulting Floyd, as you yourself stipulate. Floyd died as a result of this illegal assault. That adds up to Murder 2 in Minnesota. That is how the law is written. That is how the jury was instructed. Which part of the charges are you disputing, and why?

We all saw it happen before our eyes thanks to cellphone camera and body camera footage. We heard multiple experts in the use of police force and procedures testify that this assault was illegal. We heard multiple doctors state that Floyd's death was caused by the assault. Chauvin got his day in court and was convicted by a jury, because the evidence to support such a conviction was overwhelming. But you still refuse to acknowledge that Chauvin is a murderer. Why is that?

 

[atrib]

I think what Derec is saying is that the jury should have been pulled from people who don’t care whether Minneapolis burns or not.

That don't have an emotional involvement. A trial should be about facts and evidence, not about jurors worrying that Jarhyn might burn their city down if he doesn't get his way.

The trial was about facts and evidence as presented by the prosecution's witnesses. And Chauvin was convicted because the evidence against him was so overwhelming. Did you even watch the trial? What evidence are you disputing? That the use of force was illegal? That the assault resulted in the death of Mr Floyd? What are you disputing here?

 

[atrib]

Pluse the argument that "it must have happened subconsciously' is equivalent to saying "God ordained it" or "the Devil made them do it" because there is no way to ascertain it factually.

Derec's responses reflects more about his psyche and worldview that it does about any of the jurors or the jury as a whole.

It cannot be ascertained directly, which is why the judge should have granted the change of venue to be on the safe side.

It cannot be ascertained directly, but if Chauvin and the other officers had rendered first aid to Mr Floyd when they discovered he had no pulse, instead of continuing the assault on Mr Floyd, perhaps Mr Floyd would still be alive today.

We don't live in a perfect world. Ultimately, a court of appeals will decide if Chauvin's trial was fair, and if a change of venue might have affected the outcome. But based on the overwhelming evidence pointing to Chauvin's guilt, I think the conviction is going to stand.

 

[atrib]

The standard is for the accused to be tried by a jury of his/her peers, not a jury of emotionless computers who make decisions based purely on facts and logic. If you don't want to contaminate and piss off potential members of your jury pool, don't murder one of their members in a public place in front of witnesses.

Jurors being susceptible to emotional appeals is why most civilized countries got rid of the antiquated jury system.

Perhaps Chauvin should have considered the "antiquated jury system" before he made the decision to kill a man on a public street in front of witnesses, and thereby potentially contaminate the pool of jurors that would be sitting in judgement of his actions at a later date. He was a seasoned police officer and was very familiar with how the justice system works. He must have know how this would have looked to a future jury, and to the public at large. But he chose to kill Mr Floyd anyway, perhaps believing that his badge would protect him. As it turns out, he was wrong.

 

[atrib]

Thugs like Derek Chauvin?

I had George Floyd in mind. Of course, he has been canonized in leftist circles and any mention that he is a lowlife robber is anathema.

You have nothing but venom for a black man who committed a crime a long time ago and has paid his debt to society a long time ago. Said black man is always framed as a degenerate in your narrative, less than human, and deserving of the public lynching he received at the hands of people working under the authority of law who were paid to protect and serve said black man. But you have no condemnation for the murderers who carried out this lynching on a helpless human being they had taken into their custody. Your ideology is repulsive and it makes my stomach turn.

 

[laughing dog]

Pluse the argument that "it must have happened subconsciously' is equivalent to saying "God ordained it" or "the Devil made them do it" because there is no way to ascertain it factually.

Derec's responses reflects more about his psyche and worldview that it does about any of the jurors or the jury as a whole.

It cannot be ascertained directly, which is why the judge should have granted the change of venue to be on the safe side.

It cannot be ascertained directly, but if Chauvin and the other officers had rendered first aid to Mr Floyd when they discovered he had no pulse, instead of continuing the assault on Mr Floyd, perhaps Mr Floyd would still be alive today.

We don't live in a perfect world. Ultimately, a court of appeals will decide if Chauvin's trial was fair, and if a change of venue might have affected the outcome. But based on the overwhelming evidence pointing to Chauvin's guilt, I think the conviction is going to stand.

Derec's argument is ridiculous. Since subconscious factors cannot be ascertained directly, no trail is ever fair under his standards. If the venue was changed, it is possible that the jurors in the new trial had subconscious motives or biases either against Chauvin or for Chauvin.

Of course, since Chauvin supporters know he is not guilty, any jury that finds him guilty must have been biased by something. It is truly ridiculous.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

what standards and metrics are you using to make you assessment?

My guess is being annoyed by brown people having the nerve to speak out against injustices. It's the reason they hide behind the errors made by some of the brown folks to join in on the attack on every brown person with their perceived intellectual superiority.

I'm looking at whether in the end it appears the cop made the correct choice given the information at the time.

For example, BLM was right about George Floyd, but wrong about Michael Brown.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Pluse the argument that "it must have happened subconsciously' is equivalent to saying "God ordained it" or "the Devil made them do it" because there is no way to ascertain it factually.

Derec's responses reflects more about his psyche and worldview that it does about any of the jurors or the jury as a whole.

It cannot be ascertained directly, which is why the judge should have granted the change of venue to be on the safe side.

It cannot be ascertained directly, but if Chauvin and the other officers had rendered first aid to Mr Floyd when they discovered he had no pulse, instead of continuing the assault on Mr Floyd, perhaps Mr Floyd would still be alive today.

We don't live in a perfect world. Ultimately, a court of appeals will decide if Chauvin's trial was fair, and if a change of venue might have affected the outcome. But based on the overwhelming evidence pointing to Chauvin's guilt, I think the conviction is going to stand.

No. The most sensitive organ to a lack of oxygen is the brain. By the time the pulse stops due to a lack of oxygen it's too late. Maybe the doctors could save a vegetable, but not a person. CPR is a good idea when the heart is the problem. When the heart isn't the cause--you're looking at too much Hollywood.

 

[none]

what standards and metrics are you using to make you assessment?

My guess is being annoyed by brown people having the nerve to speak out against injustices. It's the reason they hide behind the errors made by some of the brown folks to join in on the attack on every brown person with their perceived intellectual superiority.

I'm looking at whether in the end it appears the cop made the correct choice given the information at the time.

For example, BLM was right about George Floyd, but wrong about Michael Brown.

that sample size?

 

[Derec]

Right-wingers contradict themselves about the COVID-19 virus:

Reddit has a subreddit called r/lostredditors. Perhaps TFT needs something like that.

 

[Derec]

Whether a court will find this grounds to grant a retrial awaits to be seen. But attending a memorial about a MLK speech should not, in and of itself, indicate any bias whatsoever.

Yeah, talking about "knees off our necks" 2 months after George Floyd has absolutely nothing to do with George Floyd ...

 

[Derec]

Where was I when this trash fell off the dump truck? Hollywood (run by white people since conception btw) has glorified a lot of thugs.

Hollywood has nothing to do with crime statistics. If anything, Hollywood goes out of its way to be woke.

Some of those glorifications affect the black community in ways that feed both your preconception that somehow we're all rotten and the reason no mention of good black people will ever leave your lips or fingertips.

I do not have a preconception that you are "all rotten" and obviously many black people, like people of all races are good.
But facts are stubborn things, and crime data do not lie. Reality does not give a damn about what's woke or politically correct.

 

[laughing dog]

Whether a court will find this grounds to grant a retrial awaits to be seen. But attending a memorial about a MLK speech should not, in and of itself, indicate any bias whatsoever.

Yeah, talking about "knees off our necks" 2 months after George Floyd has absolutely nothing to do with George Floyd ...

What does that have to do with attending a MLK memorial?

 

[none]

Where was I when this trash fell off the dump truck? Hollywood (run by white people since conception btw) has glorified a lot of thugs.

Hollywood has nothing to do with crime statistics. If anything, Hollywood goes out of its way to be woke.

Some of those glorifications affect the black community in ways that feed both your preconception that somehow we're all rotten and the reason no mention of good black people will ever leave your lips or fingertips.

I do not have a preconception that you are "all rotten" and obviously many black people, like people of all races are good.
But facts are stubborn things, and crime data do not lie. Reality does not give a damn about what's woke or politically correct.

and now thanks to BLM that crime data is under scrutiny because garbage in garbage out
comprende?

 

[Derec]

Chauvin committed a felony by illegally assaulting Floyd, as you yourself stipulate.

Assault is not always a felony.

But you still refuse to acknowledge that Chauvin is a murderer. Why is that?

Because the trial wasn't fair. Look at that juror who was out protesting last Summer.

One other note. Why is it is that the same people who are applauding Chauvin getting convicted of murder also oppose robbers and burglars getting hit with "felony murder" charges if somebody dies during their felonious crimes?

For example Lakeith Smith.

Are you also ok with the conviction in that case, because "that adds up to murder in Alabama" or are you in favor of him getting a much lighter sentence for the burglaries and nothing for the death of A'Donte Washington?

 

[Derec]

and now thanks to BLM that crime data is under scrutiny because garbage in garbage out
comprende?

I comprende that #BLM is full of garbage in most cases. Including this.