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Sure, some left wing snowflakes are upset about police killing people, but when was the last time you heard about police causing PROPERTY DAMAGE?
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Sure, some left wing snowflakes are upset about police killing people, but when was the last time you heard about police causing PROPERTY DAMAGE?
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Okay, so two - count 'em TWO - people had some stuff broken. Small price to pay for the huge amount of security that having these brave police gives us, right?
Seriously, though ... Anecdotally ... 1972 ... cops (feds? state? to this day I have no idea) raided a house in Boulder County where I lived. I almost came home in the middle of it. There was a helicopter in the field across the street, lots of unmarked cars - apparently one of my roommates was on a bad guys list. I drove by without stopping, and came back about four hours later. The house was TRASHED. Musical instruments broken, every drawer in the house pulled out and dumped. To their credit, in my room I found my passport lying on the floor and $1200 in cash (that was real money back then, at least to me) still in its envelope in the middle of the debris. It had been opened, but apparently they weren't in the theft business. But talk about property damage. BLM never did that to any house where I lived.
Any doubts I previously held about police conduct were dispelled that day. I don't even know if they found the guy who was living in the downstairs room - or why they were after him. He never showed back up at the house. No LE people from any agency ever contacted me about the episode (my name was all over the place, so they HAD to know I lived there), and I wasn't about to start asking questions.
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Hey, they'll kill white people too, if they interfere with them killing black people.
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I distinctly remember police gathering in riot gear preparing to confront rioters. As they started moving forward, no rioters in sight, the cops started smashing car windows of the parked cars they were walking past. Someone filming from the top of a building caught them doing it. I posted the video here of them doing it but it would be virtually impossible to find it now.
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Okay, so two - count 'em TWO - people had some stuff broken. Small price to pay for the huge amount of security that having these brave police gives us, right?
Seriously, though ... Anecdotally ... 1972 ... cops (feds? state? to this day I have no idea) raided a house in Boulder County where I lived. I almost came home in the middle of it. There was a helicopter in the field across the street, lots of unmarked cars - apparently one of my roommates was on a bad guys list. I drove by without stopping, and came back about four hours later. The house was TRASHED. Musical instruments broken, every drawer in the house pulled out and dumped. To their credit, in my room I found my passport lying on the floor and $1200 in cash (that was real money back then, at least to me) still in its envelope in the middle of the debris. It had been opened, but apparently they weren't in the theft business. But talk about property damage. BLM never did that to any house where I lived.
Any doubts I previously held about police conduct were dispelled that day. I don't even know if they found the guy who was living in the downstairs room - or why they were after him. He never showed back up at the house. No LE people from any agency ever contacted me about the episode (my name was all over the place, so they HAD to know I lived there), and I wasn't about to start asking questions.
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Hey, they'll kill white people too, if they interfere with them killing black people.
To be fair, I only looked for like, 30 seconds to find those instances.
Police do not always cause property damage. Family members were the victims of an armed home invasion. The eventual resolution involved multiple SWAT teams and get this, NO property damage and even better: NO loss of life or injury, plus the two criminals were taken into custody and received a fair trail, with one returning to prison and the other, a kid, getting probation, I believe. The trauma was emotional and done to my family members but they were pretty tough and mostly laughed about it, although there were weapons--a firearm and one family member had a knife held to their throat for some hours.
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Neither do protesters.
I sure as hell felt violated, even though I didn't lose much of anything. And who knows? Maybe that guy was going be a danger to the other three of us who lived in that house.
Sorry your family members went through that episode, Toni. It sounds truly terrifying.
Good policing is a blessing when you need it and get it. I will never take it for granted though.
I'll do you one better, two centuries of the enslavement, rape, and murder of black people by white people vs just over half a century of violence perpetrated by black people (mostly against their own). Do the math.
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One of those happened during my lifetime. The more recent one.
The slavery thing was horrible, like much of human history. Let's focus on modern problems.
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The world doesn't cease to exist after you die, and history didn't cease to happen until you were born. Deal with it. The riots & looting are stupid and have caused a lot of harm to innocent parties. Also, BLM supporting the criminal activities of the "thugs" (as Derec puts it) is a claim he materialized out of thin air. They support due process & not the summary execution of Black people. Yes, they get it wrong many times (BLM is not as organized as Derec seems to believe), however, if you're going to only focus on their errors and the riots instead of the issue of police killing innocent black people that's just strange to me. Again not all black people killed by police were innocent of a crime but they sure wouldn't get the death penalty if convicted. There are also those situations where the police are indeed justified, that doesn't mean that they are justified all the time or that we should ignore those times when they aren't justified because they seem to be correct most of the time.
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The other thing that is largely ignored is that most crime against white people is...committed by other white people.
Most people commit crimes in their neighborhoods, against people that they know and/or are familiar with. Society in the US is largely segregated by race.
Much of the crime in the US is a direct result of substance abuse--with the big uptick due to drugs, which have disproportionately affected black neighborhoods and people.
I am in favor of decriminalizing much of the acts that are considered crimes as pertains to drugs but I do not hold the same confidence that this would reduce society's ills nearly as much as some people do. As I've mentioned many times, I live in a small town (pop about 25K) which is almost entirely white. Almost all crime is related to drug or alcohol abuse. Just decriminalizing drugs won't cut that. I can't remember the last time I saw a drug bust for pot (police reports are readily available and being a small town, there's not that much to go through). A LOT of meth. A bit of cocaine and occasionally a little heroin but not often. Several years back, 'bath salts' were the big thing.
This country has a tremendous problem with substance abuse and not unrelatedly, an even bigger problem with mental health issues, It's a pretty huge ever growing, self feeding spiral that is responsible for most of the crime in this country.
Except, of course, for white collar crime. That's largely fueled by good old fashioned greed. Same thing that drives the drug trade, at the top levels. Greed. Maybe sociopathy but greed for certain.
You know the real difference between small towns and big cities? Size. That's it. In a large city, you can avoid knowing about a lot of stuff if you have enough money to live in a good neighborhood/suburb but in a small town? Nope. You pretty much know or at least recognize the names of almost every person who appears on the police crimes roster, except for the occasional out of towner drug dealers passing through.
Except they're wrong most of the time.
what standards and metrics are you using to make you assessment?
My guess is being annoyed by brown people having the nerve to speak out against injustices. It's the reason they hide behind the errors made by some of the brown folks to join in on the attack on every brown person with their perceived intellectual superiority.
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The police? That doesn't sound like you, Loren.
BLM? Really? You disagree that Black lives matter? You disagree that in the United States, people have a right to protest when the government fails to protect the population, as in the case of police killing unarmed black people, sometimes in their own homes while they are eating or sleeping, or playing in the park or shopping in a Walmart, or driving home, with their kid in the back seat?
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There is a huge difference between a statement that "black lives matter" and the organization/movement "Black Lives Matter" that even has a specific logo (alternating black letters on white background and black letters on white background using a heavy sans serif font).
Unfortunately, there are too many idiots in the US who will take any opposition to the latter as a rejection of the former.
People have the right to peacefully protest. That does not include rioting, arson and looting.
Also, people can disagree with the cause of the protesters even when the protest is peaceful. No amount of peaceful protesting will change the fact that for example Patrick Kimmons gunned down two people right before getting shot by police, and therefore #BLM protesting on his behalf is fucking stupid!
#BLM have been protesting and rioting even when the perps are armed. Patrick Kimmons I already mentioned. Then you have Keith Smith armed with a gun or Jacob Blake and Walter Wallace, armed with a knife. Rayshard Brooks was armed with a stolen taser.
And being unarmed does not mean the perp wasn't a threat or that the shooting was unjustified. An initially unarmed perp attacking an officer can disarm him or her and use their own gun against them. That has happened before, sometimes with deadly consequences. Therefore, officers are justified in using lethal force against unarmed perps attacking them, e.g. Michael "spreading the word of Jesus Christ" Brown, the OG of the #BLM movement.
Which one is that?
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So, a George Floyd juror participated in #BLM protests before the trial and apparently did not disclose it during voir dire. So much for a "fair trial", eh?
This may be related.
https://ideasanddata.wordpress.com/2019/08/10/on-racial-bias-in-criminal-sentencing/
Wow it's even more impressive that a guilty verdict was reached, being that blacks were the minority on the Jury. They had a lot of white men and women to convince. If I recall correctly, they even had an Asian & with all the Youtube videos and news showing black people attacking Asians these days that must have been a hard sell.
Bruh, you think like a child.