George Floyd murderer's trial

[Jarhyn]

I think what Derec is saying is that the jury should have been pulled from people who don’t care whether Minneapolis burns or not.

But what about subconscious of those hypothetical people? Surely they would be affected one way or the other about the human and property damage from such a burning. Taken literally, there is no one on this planet who is not open to the "what about the subconscious effect" position.

ISIS members are heartless & detached from the situation enough & they'd want the city to burn. As such a guilty verdict from that jury should be acceptable to Derec. Maybe that's what he wants?

I guess? To me it's still more prescient that even were I on the jury, I would acknowledge that if 11 other people can't call an obvious murder a murder because at least one of them cares more about not bringing consequences to cops than bringing justice for a murdered man, the city SHOULD burn...

Granted, in other news, the Booger Boi who torched the police station got a 12m dollar restitution levied.

For some reason, I recall a lot of consternation about arsons in Minneapolis, but the right seems suspiciously silent here concerning this turn of events: that the worst of the fires were set by far-right agitators.

 

[Gospel]

I'm just happy that people like Derec can argue that claiming to be brutalized by the police because your black is just in vogue and not at all based in reality while at the same time get a guilty verdict levied against a shit officer for said brutality. Best of both worlds. Its not longer a thing yet thugs are getting charged for the thing that's not a thing.

 

[Derec]

I'm just happy that people like Derec can argue that claiming to be brutalized by the police because your black is just in vogue and not at all based in reality

It most certainly happens, but far less frequently than #BLM claims. Most of their protests/riots have been about justified shootings, starting with OG Michael Brown.

That said, I think Chauvin definitely committed police brutality. I do not think he is a murderer though, or that he got a fair trial in Minnepolis.

 

[Derec]

I guess? To me it's still more prescient that even were I on the jury, I would acknowledge that if 11 other people can't call an obvious murder a murder because at least one of them cares more about not bringing consequences to cops than bringing justice for a murdered man, the city SHOULD burn...

So, if you don't get your way, you advocate arson. That's exactly my point.

Granted, in other news, the Booger Boi who torched the police station got a 12m dollar restitution levied.

You mean Dylan Shakespeare Robinson? Four people pleaded to the 3rd Precinct arson but the other three have yet to be sentenced. Two white (Robinson, Wolfe) and two black (Turner and Williams).

So I find the claim that Robinson is some kind of Boogaloo (or "Booger", nice one!) Boi not credible. Is that even a real group?
Anyway, Shakey looks like a lefty to me. He looks just like a 08/15 Antifa loser.


These are his co-conspirators.

For some reason, I recall a lot of consternation about arsons in Minneapolis, but the right seems suspiciously silent here concerning this turn of events: that the worst of the fires were set by far-right agitators.

LMAO, no. Just because Shakey happens to be white, doesn't mean he is not a #BLM supporter (just look at this forum!).
As I said, the 3rd Precinct arson was done by 2 whites, 2 blacks. So white and black #BLM sympathizers rather than white supremacists.
And there is more:

Two other George Floyd riots arsonists, these two in St. Paul (a high school and a car rental place).


Then there was Dakota County courthouse.
Savage Man Pleads Guilty To Arson Of Dakota County Government Building (great headline!)


Looks like a racially diverse crowd. Almost warms the cockles of one's heart, if they weren't a bunch of lowlife arsonists!

Do you know of any other incidents of arson? I know there was major vandalism at Target (that you approved of) as well as many other businesses vandalized and looted by #BLMers.

 

[Derec]

But what about subconscious of those hypothetical people? Surely they would be affected one way or the other about the human and property damage from such a burning. Taken literally, there is no one on this planet who is not open to the "what about the subconscious effect" position.

The idea is that if they are not from the immediate area, there is less emotional involvement. Change of venue is not something I made up - it's a real legal thing designed for just this kind of case.

 

[Derec]

I think what Derec is saying is that the jury should have been pulled from people who don’t care whether Minneapolis burns or not.

That don't have an emotional involvement. A trial should be about facts and evidence, not about jurors worrying that Jarhyn might burn their city down if he doesn't get his way.

 

[Derec]

Pluse the argument that "it must have happened subconsciously' is equivalent to saying "God ordained it" or "the Devil made them do it" because there is no way to ascertain it factually.

Derec's responses reflects more about his psyche and worldview that it does about any of the jurors or the jury as a whole.

It cannot be ascertained directly, which is why the judge should have granted the change of venue to be on the safe side. Instead, the trial was held within shouting distance of the city block #BLMers have been occupying.

 

[Derec]

The standard is for the accused to be tried by a jury of his/her peers, not a jury of emotionless computers who make decisions based purely on facts and logic. If you don't want to contaminate and piss off potential members of your jury pool, don't murder one of their members in a public place in front of witnesses.

Jurors being susceptible to emotional appeals is why most civilized countries got rid of the antiquated jury system.

 

[Derec]

Granted, the jury, even of they were "emotionless computers" (a true contradiction by the way; computers are literally the most irrational system we have ever made; they operate on "pure" belief, or "truth", with no goal), they would still find Chauvin guilty. Because he was fucking guilty.

Nobody is saying to use robot jurors. And it is merely an assertion that Chauvin would have been found guilty regardless. If you are so certain of it, why were you opposed to changing venue?

 

[Derec]

Word up brotha!

Salami, eggs and bacon my brotha!

Where is the National Rural League?

Is that something at Denny's?

Seems like black people are trying to improve our condition, while the yeehaws are allowed to fester to the point our capital was attacked.

One day of Capitol riots vs. months of #BLM/Antifa riots in multiple cities causing billions in damages and dozens of deaths.

In what way were Stephan Cannon and Mark Jackson trying to improve anybody's situation?
Second man charged with murder in killing of former St. Louis police captain
Looks like a lot of festering to me, my brotha!

 

[Derec]

Maybe white peoples need to address the white on white crime before they start pointing fingers.

White on white homicides are about 5 times less frequent on a per capita basis than black on black homicides.
That is one reason your objection does not hold water.

The second is that white people do not identify with and glorify white thugs in the way many blacks identify with and glorify black thugs.
When somebody white is gunned down by police because he shot two other people (like in the case of Pat Pat), white people do not protest, much less riot and loot.

 

[Derec]

Thugs like Derek Chauvin?

I had George Floyd in mind. Of course, he has been canonized in leftist circles and any mention that he is a lowlife robber is anathema.

Poor Derec.

Poor Elixir, stealing Jimmy's shtick!

 

[Derec]

Since you didn't get the memo, BLM's job is to address police brutality,

If that's the case, they are doing a horrible job of it, since they do not distinguish between justified shootings and police brutality and only care that the perp is black.
That's why I brought up the case of Patrick Kimmons. As clear cut a case as they come, an armed perp who shot two people right before police shot him. And yet #BLM is protesting his shooting even 2 years after the fact.

last I recall a bunch of thugs killing each other on the streets are not cops.

What do you mean by that?

 

[Patooka]

Thugs like Derek Chauvin?

I had George Floyd in mind. Of course, he has been canonized in leftist circles and any mention that he is a lowlife robber is anathema.

Last time I checked, the left didn't choose him. Brutality and a culture of police corruption along with falsifying reports did that.

 

[Elixir]

I had George Floyd in mind. Of course, he has been canonized in leftist circles and any mention that he is a lowlife robber is anathema.

Right, he is the worst, because he stole PROPERTY.
Derek is the best because he murdered the lowlife robber
Got it.
Once again, murdering people is worse than


Your slip is showing, Derec.

 

[laughing dog]

Thugs like Derek Chauvin?

I had George Floyd in mind. Of course, he has been canonized in leftist circles and any mention that he is a lowlife robber is anathema.

Last time I checked, the left didn't choose him. Brutality and a culture of police corruption along with falsifying reports did that.

And the usual suspects rush to defend it and the culprits, along with smearing the victim. After all, Mr. Floyd had been a robber but he had no recent charges or convictions pertaining to robbery, yet the some feel the need to harp on his past. It really is telling.

 

[Worldtraveller]

I'm guessing that since all these (f)rightwingers are so enamored with bringing up Floyd's past, they're also totally ok with finally prosecuting Chauvin for also doing other crimes in his past that were let slide.

Right? Hello?

 

[Jarhyn]

I had George Floyd in mind. Of course, he has been canonized in leftist circles and any mention that he is a lowlife robber is anathema.

Right, he is the worst, because he stole PROPERTY.
Derek is the best because he murdered the lowlife robber
Got it.
Once again, murdering people is worse than
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Your slip is showing, Derec.

Also, here's another quick reminder that the autozone fire, the "property damage" that triggered police response and "rioting" was instigated by what has now been revealed to be, not police, but rather a white supremacist biker ("umbrella man").

 

[Jarhyn]

I'm guessing that since all these (f)rightwingers are so enamored with bringing up Floyd's past, they're also totally ok with finally prosecuting Chauvin for also doing other crimes in his past that were let slide.

Right? Hello?

Yet you never see them talking badly about the white supremecist groups that instigated the riots... It's all about "black people behaving badly".

 

[Toni]

Maybe white peoples need to address the white on white crime before they start pointing fingers.

White on white homicides are about 5 times less frequent on a per capita basis than black on black homicides.
That is one reason your objection does not hold water.

The second is that white people do not identify with and glorify white thugs in the way many blacks identify with and glorify black thugs.
When somebody white is gunned down by police because he shot two other people (like in the case of Pat Pat), white people do not protest, much less riot and loot.

Why doesn't it hold water? Are only those that are deemed (by you) the worst offenders in need of self examination?

Why do you continually bring up obscure cases without at least the courtesy of a link?

Do you understand that the police are acting on behalf of the state, which is an embodiment of the people and the will of the people? And that a lot of people--not just black people or brown people--are not just tired and fed up with police not exercising due caution when dealing with suspects but are actively killing unarmed suspects or even people who aren't actually suspects but who are merely sleeping or watching television in their own apartments? Or playing in the park? Police are doing this in MY name and I say bullshit to all of that. Stop it. No more. Should never have happened and it must stop happening now.

If you want to start threads about white people who are killed by police for no good reason, I'll be happy to participate and to equally condemn police. .