Not to mention that a process that can be characterized as "vicious and heartless" may still yet be a process by which a discovery of something else is made.After quoting Dawkins out of context, now you quote Carrier, very likely out of context as well. But it makes no difference. The first clause of his second sentence is wrong, precisely because the second clause is correct. Because evolution is utterly mindless, it cannot be vicious and heartless..
Does that mean I don't get 10% of your income?My superpower is knowing there are no superpowers.
Do you really want 10% of a negative number? I could use the subsidy!Does that mean I don't get 10% of your income?My superpower is knowing there are no superpowers.
While you are busy labeling every atheist here a Fascist, a contemptible slur, you are also taking Dawkins out of context, as anyone who bothers to click to the link will soon learn.
Carrier:
Evolution has no moral authority. Because it is vicious and heartless, and utterly mindless. So telling the Christian our reason to be moral is that evolution made us that way is not the least bit reassuring. It's like telling them we’re good because an evil apocalyptic baby-eating robot told us to be, and we think he’s really cool so we'll do whatever he says, man!
1. No moral authority doesn't equal no morality. It's just subjective morality.
2. Subjective morality doesn't equal amorality.
3. Evolutionary theory isn't about how we should behave in the first place so this is just another stupid non-sequitur.
You've been told this repeatedly yet you still spew your bullshit.
When the law of the strong, and of natural selection, took the place of the word of love, it became apparent that giving up the Bible is not always enlightened: Nero's torches can burn all the brighter for it.--Atheism in Christianity / Ernst Bloch
‘Social Darwinism’ is often taken to be something extraneous, an ugly concretion added to the pure Darwinian corpus after the event, tarnishing Darwin’s image. But his notebooks make plain that competition, free trade, imperialism, racial extermination, and sexual inequality were written into the equation from the start—‘Darwinism’ was always intended to explain human society.--Darwin / Adrian Desmond, James Moore
It is remarkable how Darwin rediscovers, among the beasts and plants, the society of England with its division of labour, competition, opening up of new markets, ‘inventions’ and Malthusian ‘struggle for existence’. It is Hobbes’ bellum omnium contra omnes and is reminiscent of Hegel’s Phenomenology, in which civil society figures as an ‘intellectual animal kingdom’, whereas, in Darwin, the animal kingdom figures as civil society.--Karl Marx
At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.--Darwin
1. No moral authority doesn't equal no morality. It's just subjective morality.
2. Subjective morality doesn't equal amorality.
3. Evolutionary theory isn't about how we should behave in the first place so this is just another stupid non-sequitur.
You've been told this repeatedly yet you still spew your bullshit.
The verdict is in. The theory of evolution is the pseudo-scientific foundation of fascism:
When the law of the strong, and of natural selection, took the place of the word of love, it became apparent that giving up the Bible is not always enlightened: Nero's torches can burn all the brighter for it.--Atheism in Christianity / Ernst Bloch
‘Social Darwinism’ is often taken to be something extraneous, an ugly concretion added to the pure Darwinian corpus after the event, tarnishing Darwin’s image. But his notebooks make plain that competition, free trade, imperialism, racial extermination, and sexual inequality were written into the equation from the start—‘Darwinism’ was always intended to explain human society.--Darwin / Adrian Desmond, James Moore
It is remarkable how Darwin rediscovers, among the beasts and plants, the society of England with its division of labour, competition, opening up of new markets, ‘inventions’ and Malthusian ‘struggle for existence’. It is Hobbes’ bellum omnium contra omnes and is reminiscent of Hegel’s Phenomenology, in which civil society figures as an ‘intellectual animal kingdom’, whereas, in Darwin, the animal kingdom figures as civil society.--Karl Marx
At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. At the same time the anthropomorphous apes, as Professor Schaaffhausen has remarked, will no doubt be exterminated. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla.--Darwin
The only moral theory of evolution is the one that sees all of existence as a rational process intended to create a rational being in man.
This is why it is so despicable that you cherry-picked Dawkins, who went on to explain that you cannot use evolution, the fact or the theory, to justify failure to try to right the ills of the world.
It is a manifest fact that the brain – especially the human brain – is well able to over-ride its ultimate programming; well able to dispense with the ultimate value of gene survival and substitute other values. I have used hedonistic pleasure as just an example, but I could also mention more noble values, like a love of poetry, or music, and of course the long-term survival of the planet - and sustainability.
This is why it is so despicable that you cherry-picked Dawkins, who went on to explain that you cannot use evolution, the fact or the theory, to justify failure to try to right the ills of the world.
Dawkins maintains in that article that:
It is a manifest fact that the brain – especially the human brain – is well able to over-ride its ultimate programming; well able to dispense with the ultimate value of gene survival and substitute other values. I have used hedonistic pleasure as just an example, but I could also mention more noble values, like a love of poetry, or music, and of course the long-term survival of the planet - and sustainability.
This is nothing but self-serving woo. According to Dawkins, the whole of nature is subject to the iron laws of Darwinism, but mankind gets a magic get out of jail free card. He means, of course, the better sort of mankind, because he considers it worthwhile to reopen discussion on eugenics.
To describe the theory of evolution as Darwinism shows your glaring ignorance of the whole subject.
Finally, mankind does not get a “magic get out of jail free card” because there is no jail to get out of. As Dawkins notes, the complexity of our brains very much enables us to form our own values, because nature has no values. It is blind. Some other species can do the same thing.
Dawkins is an idiot. I'd be glad to let him know. I may not remember the last week or month, but I have never forgotten his utter uselessness. You can keep him. He's a Science-Denying Scientist.
Erm, it is Dawkins who uses the word in the article. Better let him know.
To describe the theory of evolution as Darwinism shows your glaring ignorance of the whole subject.
Erm, it is Dawkins who uses the word in the article. Better let him know.
Finally, mankind does not get a “magic get out of jail free card” because there is no jail to get out of. As Dawkins notes, the complexity of our brains very much enables us to form our own values, because nature has no values. It is blind. Some other species can do the same thing.
Blind but not a jail? Riiiiight.
lmaoThe theory of evolution is the inverse of the naturalistic fallacy: it is an attempt by mankind to justify its egoism, greed and lust as "natural." At the same time, it allows mankind a magic escape from "blind" nature by virtue of some property that only it possesses. Mere egoism.
The theory of evolution is the inverse of the naturalistic fallacy: it is an attempt by mankind to justify its egoism, greed and lust as "natural." At the same time, it allows mankind a magic escape from "blind" nature by virtue of some property that only it possesses. Mere egoism.
Glad you like these!lmaoThe theory of evolution is the inverse of the naturalistic fallacy: it is an attempt by mankind to justify its egoism, greed and lust as "natural." At the same time, it allows mankind a magic escape from "blind" nature by virtue of some property that only it possesses. Mere egoism.![]()
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But in the realm of life, modern science accomplished nothing. Biology—this is the science of life. What shall be said about a biology that does not know what life is? And this is the biology of the Aryans? Study the thousands of books that were written on biology by the Aryans, and in all of them you will not find a single statement as to what life itself is. For instance, Spencer defines life to be a continuous adjustment of inner relations to outer relations. Is this a definition of life? This only tells us of a function of life, but what is life itself that makes this adjustment? Spencer himself admits that he does not know. And in all cases in which the Aryans come to the ultimate aspects of existence, they draw down the curtain on which is written: The Thing in Itself, Nihil Ulterius, The Unknowable. And ask no further questions. Now, the basis of the nazi philosophy is the blood theory, and we already saw that the nazis do not know what blood is, and they know absolutely nothing about life itself. What is life? We already saw that the Bible knew what life is. Life is what the Bible calls nephesh, it is the soul in its implicit state. Life is the Absolute, it is the cause of itself, it is the substance of all realities, and all infinite existence is a living reality.