Growing Up with a Black Cop

[Oleg]

And when those displaced by gentrification move to affordable housing close to Oleg's neck of the woods, he'll say, that was such a decent neighborhood until those poor brown folks moved in. If only gentrification didn't price people out of a neighborhood but instead absorbed them.

Asians are the poorest population group in New York City. What would you guess is their crime offense rate?

I don't see as many white people standing in their way to get Jobs, loans etc. nor do I see the worst elements of their community constantly being broadcasting on news networks and pricks on community forums while the good sides (which usually garners interest in investment) goes ignored. It's a little easier to manage poverty with less resistance. They also (and I've said this before) hadn't had 10 generations completely destroyed by white people.

What is this perpetual denial of agency?

 

[Gospel]

And when those displaced by gentrification move to affordable housing close to Oleg's neck of the woods, he'll say, that was such a decent neighborhood until those poor brown folks moved in. If only gentrification didn't price people out of a neighborhood but instead absorbed them.

Asians are the poorest population group in New York City. What would you guess is their crime offense rate?

I don't see as many white people standing in their way to get Jobs, loans etc. nor do I see the worst elements of their community constantly being broadcasting on news networks and pricks on community forums while the good sides (which usually garners interest in investment) goes ignored. It's a little easier to manage poverty with less resistance. They also (and I've said this before) hadn't had 10 generations completely destroyed by white people.

What is this perpetual denial of agency?

There is no fucking denial of agency. Anyone who commits crimes should be held accountable. I go outside everyday wondering if I'll get killed for giving a fuck. you think I want to make excuses for these people? The fuck outta here man. You made a stupid comparison between blacks and Asians. there is no comparison. what we have is history that has an effect on futures. it's the same for every fucking races. the history's aren't the same. so to expect the exact same results is fucking dumb.

 

[Toni]

Asians are the poorest population group in New York City. What would you guess is their crime offense rate?

Do you have data to support your claim?

I see you don't like his inconvenient reality. I don't know specifically about New York City but we've seen the pattern before--Chinatowns are poor but low crime.

I’m certain that there is no difference in the perception of Black and Hispanic and Native Americans compared with east Asian immigrants. [/sarcasm font]

 

[TomC]

In my teen years and somewhat before, a lot of white, middle America were prescribed tranquilizers to deal with the stresses of day to day life in middle class America.

Ha ha ha..
Remember the Rolling Stones hit song, "Mothers Little Helper"?

Our mom wasn't like that. But I remember when my sister got a prescription for Prozac. I remember her saying "When I take it, it's amazing how much better my daughter behaves!"
Tom

 

[Jarhyn]

The black dealers I see do invite everyone and their momma.

It may seem like that to you, but there is a reason why they're constantly looking over their shoulders. As for most of what you said I agree. I'm not arguing that the environments are the same, I'm saying that there are just as many white people involved in drug use and selling as there are black. The only difference is one is getting arrested more than the other.

I'm interested more in the mechanics of how police find and arrest those folks.

It's a structural thing and while I think it deserves being said that things are being done differently, the legacy of racially unjust enforcement is that a cycle exists within one community which operates very differently in the other, a difference that acts as the fulcrum for what you see.

The only reasonable way to break both sides of the fulcrum is legalization with paths into legitimacy for existing distribution networks, but racial justice in education is a huge first step.

 

[Oleg]

And when those displaced by gentrification move to affordable housing close to Oleg's neck of the woods, he'll say, that was such a decent neighborhood until those poor brown folks moved in. If only gentrification didn't price people out of a neighborhood but instead absorbed them.

Asians are the poorest population group in New York City. What would you guess is their crime offense rate?

I don't see as many white people standing in their way to get Jobs, loans etc. nor do I see the worst elements of their community constantly being broadcasting on news networks and pricks on community forums while the good sides (which usually garners interest in investment) goes ignored. It's a little easier to manage poverty with less resistance. They also (and I've said this before) hadn't had 10 generations completely destroyed by white people.

What is this perpetual denial of agency?

There is no fucking denial of agency. Anyone who commits crimes should be held accountable. I go outside everyday wondering if I'll get killed for giving a fuck. you think I want to make excuses for these people? The fuck outta here man. You made a stupid comparison between blacks and Asians. there is no comparison. what we have is history that has an effect on futures. it's the same for every fucking races. the history's aren't the same. so to expect the exact same results is fucking dumb.

You say that you don’t deny agency but then make excuses for bad behavior. I’m simply pointing out that each person is responsible for what they do. Evil spirits are not controlling our actions.

 

[Gospel]

And when those displaced by gentrification move to affordable housing close to Oleg's neck of the woods, he'll say, that was such a decent neighborhood until those poor brown folks moved in. If only gentrification didn't price people out of a neighborhood but instead absorbed them.

Asians are the poorest population group in New York City. What would you guess is their crime offense rate?

I don't see as many white people standing in their way to get Jobs, loans etc. nor do I see the worst elements of their community constantly being broadcasting on news networks and pricks on community forums while the good sides (which usually garners interest in investment) goes ignored. It's a little easier to manage poverty with less resistance. They also (and I've said this before) hadn't had 10 generations completely destroyed by white people.

What is this perpetual denial of agency?

There is no fucking denial of agency. Anyone who commits crimes should be held accountable. I go outside everyday wondering if I'll get killed for giving a fuck. you think I want to make excuses for these people? The fuck outta here man. You made a stupid comparison between blacks and Asians. there is no comparison. what we have is history that has an effect on futures. it's the same for every fucking races. the history's aren't the same. so to expect the exact same results is fucking dumb.

You say that you don’t deny agency but then make excuses for bad behavior. I’m simply pointing out that each person is responsible for what they do. Evil spirits are not controlling our actions.

iTS NOT A FUCKING ESCUSE. Its a reality. That's like asking why did that driver crash into a pole. The answer is he has a damn drinking problem. would I be claiming the driver is not responsible or giving a cause for the crash? Get your shit together man.

 

[Toni]

The black dealers I see do invite everyone and their momma.

It may seem like that to you, but there is a reason why they're constantly looking over their shoulders. As for most of what you said I agree. I'm not arguing that the environments are the same, I'm saying that there are just as many white people involved in drug use and selling as there are black. The only difference is one is getting arrested more than the other.

I'm interested more in the mechanics of how police find and arrest those folks.

It's a structural thing and while I think it deserves being said that things are being done differently, the legacy of racially unjust enforcement is that a cycle exists within one community which operates very differently in the other, a difference that acts as the fulcrum for what you see.

The only reasonable way to break both sides of the fulcrum is legalization with paths into legitimacy for existing distribution networks, but racial justice in education is a huge first step.

One is much more likely to find what one actually looks for.

Arrests are one thing; prosecutors tend to prefer to bring to trial cases that they are likely to win. Consider the access to lawyers and the fact that public defenders are tremendously overburdened re: caseloads and significantly underpaid and consider as well as racism and bias--unconscious mostly but not completely on the part of jurors....it's easier to convict people who are in outgroups.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Each person is responsible for what they do. Including police officers who willfully kill people they shouldn't.

 

[Gospel]

I'm interested more in the mechanics of how police find and arrest those folks.

And I'm interested more in thwarting the notion that drug usage and selling is just a black people thing. Ya know, because I live with that misconception every damn day.

 

[TomC]

I'm interested more in the mechanics of how police find and arrest those folks.

And I'm interested more in thwarting the notion that drug usage and selling is just a black people thing. Ya know, because I live with that misconception every damn day.

I don't know anyone else who believes that.
Maybe you should get out more?
Tom

 

[Gospel]

Know what. You've got a point. Not sure why I got so locked on Oleg like that. Sorry Oleg, the vulgarity and insults were uncalled for. I mean, I don't regret them but they were uncalled for. I need a break.

 

[Jarhyn]

I'm interested more in the mechanics of how police find and arrest those folks.

And I'm interested more in thwarting the notion that drug usage and selling is just a black people thing. Ya know, because I live with that misconception every damn day.

My point that I've been making is that it certainly isn't just a black people thing. But observability of the activity, the way it's done differently between communities, is a significant part of the discussion, and indicative of systemic racism, and the solutions to this are more complicated than racist cops.

People go after the low hanging fruit every time, and these branches were grafted low to the ground. Solutions have to recognize that, and recognize that this all flows out of the drug war and prohibition.

 

[Gospel]

I'm interested more in the mechanics of how police find and arrest those folks.

And I'm interested more in thwarting the notion that drug usage and selling is just a black people thing. Ya know, because I live with that misconception every damn day.

My point that I've been making is that it certainly isn't just a black people thing. But observability of the activity, the way it's done differently between communities, is a significant part of the discussion, and indicative of systemic racism, and the solutions to this are more complicated than racist cops.

People go after the low hanging fruit every time, and these branches were grafted low to the ground. Solutions have to recognize that, and recognize that this all flows out of the drug war and prohibition.

I can dig it. Personally I don't believe it's systemic anymore. I say that because the system no longer supports racism (officially). What we have today are many people who either don't trust, don't know how to, or flat out not interested in using the system. It's their active choice.

 

[TomC]

Know what. You've got a point. Not sure why I got so locked on Oleg like that. Sorry Oleg, the vulgarity and insults were uncalled for. I mean, I don't regret them but they were uncalled for. I need a break.

Wanna talk about my experiences as a drug dealer, back in the 70s?

It was small time. I'm pretty sure the statute of limitations ended a few years back. But yeah.
Tom

 

[Gospel]

I fell for the trap too. I only sold to the store manager (white guy) at the supermarket I worked at in New York. It wasn't even for a profit. He just paid for my inconvenience. Got busted walking to work thanks to Giuliani and that stop and frisk racket. It was pot btw. After that you couldn't catch me anywhere near pot. I hated the idea of giving them something stupid to get me back behind bars for. If they're gonna lock me up it's gonna be because I made major positive impacts on peoples lives and they hate it. I was (rightfully) fired less than a week after saying I'm not getting him weed anymore. It was a cushy job too. Everyone else was stuck unloading trucks and stocking shelves while I made sandwiches, told jokes and played music all night.

 

[Elixir]

I was enthusiastically involved in the late 60s and early 70s. Weed and psychedelics only though. Even then, I knew that speed and junk were evil. Even more so having tried them.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I'm certain that if police actually performed more raids in white neighborhoods they'd be driven to the streets as well. I suppose that unlike black people white people are ok with drugs being sold out of their homes. I know in my neck of the woods hoodlums are being pushed out of the house by home owners, family members, spouses & neighbors (because the police are known to get the address wrong and endanger adjacent houses) for fear of their homes getting raided. And don't you jump to that first idiotic thought! They actually don't want to be around the hoodlum or drugs, the raids simply offer extra seasoning for their decision.

If you think about it, it doesn't make sense that people keep selling on the streets if they are so easily caught (judging by arrest statistics) but they do it anyway. I'm explaining why. But you don't give a shit about good black people, you just wanna harp on bad black people. Not original.

Were you not paying attention? The problem isn't indoors vs street, but known-customers vs all-comers. When they won't sell to you unless an existing customer vouches for you it's very hard for the cops to convict them of dealing. And when it's done at low volume the neighbors won't even know.

Back in the housing collapse a house very nearby was turned into a grow. Nobody said anything because nobody knew.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Lets not forget the elephant in the room. The war on drugs was originally declared to target minorities and white people that support them.

Report: Aide says Nixon’s war on drugs targeted blacks, hippies​

Oh but lord forbid the black community be a little apprehensive working with the police to fix their community. The same system is in place now. Duh.

There's no question the drug war itself does target non-whites by it's very nature.

That doesn't mean the answer is anti-discrimination efforts in police activity, it means the answer is to get rid of the drug war. And prohibit the drug warriors from ever working in any sort of police position ever again so we don't just recycle them into a new crusade like we did after the repeal of prohibition. (Finding something to do with all those alcohol cops was a big part of starting the drug war.)

Really? Because Prohibition ended in 1933 and Nixon took office in 1969. I seriously doubt any of the anti-alcohol police in 1930 were still serving in 1969….

The so called War on Drugs was more of a political tool targeted towards Black communities and ‘hippies’ or those thought to be left leaning than it ever was to prevent the damage done to lives because of substance abuse.

It ramped up under Nixon, it already existed long before that.

 

[Jarhyn]

Lets not forget the elephant in the room. The war on drugs was originally declared to target minorities and white people that support them.

Report: Aide says Nixon’s war on drugs targeted blacks, hippies​

Oh but lord forbid the black community be a little apprehensive working with the police to fix their community. The same system is in place now. Duh.

There's no question the drug war itself does target non-whites by it's very nature.

That doesn't mean the answer is anti-discrimination efforts in police activity, it means the answer is to get rid of the drug war. And prohibit the drug warriors from ever working in any sort of police position ever again so we don't just recycle them into a new crusade like we did after the repeal of prohibition. (Finding something to do with all those alcohol cops was a big part of starting the drug war.)

Really? Because Prohibition ended in 1933 and Nixon took office in 1969. I seriously doubt any of the anti-alcohol police in 1930 were still serving in 1969….

The so called War on Drugs was more of a political tool targeted towards Black communities and ‘hippies’ or those thought to be left leaning than it ever was to prevent the damage done to lives because of substance abuse.

It ramped up under Nixon, it already existed long before that.

When I think prohibition, I think something far wider than the temperance movement.

Instead I see the effort to ban a series of things which religious people accused of making people irreligious, the things that people they found distasteful did.

This included everything from liquor, to marijuana, to comic books, to being gay.

It is the core of emotion that drives people to sue for prohibitions of things, to ban them.

The temperance movement used against Irish and German communities, the drug war used it against black and progressive white communities.