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Growing Up with a Black Cop

AthenaAwakened

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My father was a police officer. When I was little, one of our neighbors asked him was he a black man or a black cop? My father said
I'm a black man who works as a cop. And I ain't never confused.

Black voters and civic organizations worked hard to integrate police forces across this country in hopes that black officers would do right by black citizens, something many white officers were not doing.

Now we have black officers, black detectives, black police chiefs, we even have black attorneys general. But putting black men in a punitive policing culture and expecting them to fight that culture, fight their fellow officers, day in and day out is madness.

This is but one reason why we have to rethink public safety and end punitive policing. Simply hiring more black police is not enough. Simply promoting more black police is not enough. You see, the problem with the bad apple in the barrel is the barrel.

I know there are good people who every day put on a badge and gun just like my parents did. And they try mightily to do some good in the world. But if they have "goals" to meet in order to keep that job, they are gonna meet those goals. And that's just the beginning.

From issuing tickets that keep municipal revenues up to the blue wall of silence that keeps bad cops in law enforcement, the way we police our communities is not designed for the benefit of those communities as much as to provide control of communities and to mine the pockets of those citizens.

We need to be rid of the tradition of punitive policing, a tradition born of slave patrols, tenement controls and union busting, and replace it with a system of comprehensive public safety. A system that sees addiction not as a crime but as a medical condition, that sees unruly behavior in students not as a disciplinary problem but as a problem of classroom overcrowding and too few teachers and support staff, and that sees the citizenry not as a revenue source to be ticketed and bailed, but as people deserving of worth, dignity, protection and service. No more "just us" but in its stead, justice.

My father joined the federal police after President Truman desegregated the civil service. He and his fellow black officers were told to arrest white people politely and courteously for the rest of DC was still segregated. My father knew the easiest way to be polite and courteous was to be that way deliberately and thoughtfully to everyone, not just white people. He also knew that he owed his job not to his captain or even Harry Truman, but to the black citizens who lobbied and fought for desegregation for decades upon decades. He always felt he owed it to the community who fought for him to fight for them.
I'm a black man who works as a cop. And I ain't never confused.

Imagine if every police officer, regardless of color said those exact words every day before heading to work.

Imagine the trouble that could be avoided. Imagine the lives that could be saved on both sides of that blue wall.
 
It's entirely possible a lot of cops think about their community and what they owe to their community when they do their jobs. Certain obligations they feel they have to their community. I don't see a practical way of doing what you suggest without cops adding "ir" into "The Community". Not a good idea.

What might be a better suggestion is a clear expectation of how cops should treat corrupt cops and clear consequences if they don't. I look forward to the usual suspects educating me on how flashing Freddie if you're pulled over or massaging incident reports doesn't do any real harm.
 
It's entirely possible a lot of cops think about their community and what they owe to their community when they do their jobs. Certain obligations they feel they have to their community. I don't see a practical way of doing what you suggest without cops adding "ir" into "The Community". Not a good idea.

What might be a better suggestion is a clear expectation of how cops should treat corrupt cops and clear consequences if they don't. I look forward to the usual suspects educating me on how flashing Freddie if you're pulled over or massaging incident reports doesn't do any real harm.
Well, part of the problem there is that whole issue of the "corruptness". Clear consequences for being corrupt is an oxymoron, when the point of corruption is in many cases to prevent clarity over who is corrupt until nothing can be done about it.

Corruption usually starts invisible and quiet like a cancer deep inside the body. By the time it's clear, and consequences, the consequence is "STAGE 4! UR DEAD!"

Here, the consequence is "the call is coming from inside the house".

You would need a way to organize the whole system around making it easy to flush large sections of the enforcement body and filter them for corruption without destroying function, when corruption becomes observable based often on single responses.

The problem with this is... Well it's that single responses given the DARVO responses of bad actors to either flood systems with bad faith reporting or to target bad faith at good, so as to make the response system fail.
 
One thing for sure is the police requires the assistance of the community at large to get their job done. When you break trust by not holding officers accountable for their mistakes (deliberate or not) the community becomes afraid to and/or flat out reluctant to assist. The lack of trust makes any police force (no matter what kind of fancy name you give it) ineffective.
 
One thing for sure is the police requires the assistance of the community at large to get their job done. When you break trust by not holding officers accountable for their mistakes (deliberate or not) the community becomes afraid to and/or flat out reluctant to assist. The lack of trust makes any police force (no matter what kind of fancy name you give it) ineffective.
Do you see a flip side to this?
Tom
 
One thing for sure is the police requires the assistance of the community at large to get their job done. When you break trust by not holding officers accountable for their mistakes (deliberate or not) the community becomes afraid to and/or flat out reluctant to assist. The lack of trust makes any police force (no matter what kind of fancy name you give it) ineffective.
Do you see a flip side to this?
Tom

What flip side is there to see? The community is held accountable so It can't be that. the community is also not in a position of authority to remove the bad apples so they rely on the police force. But like I'm saying, if said force can't be trusted what then? If by flip side you mean the community has it's bad apples then NO SHIT! That's what the police is there for! What the community is not there for is the police's bad apples. I mean it's their job to get rid of bad apples regardless of where they are hiding.
 
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One thing for sure is the police requires the assistance of the community at large to get their job done. When you break trust by not holding officers accountable for their mistakes (deliberate or not) the community becomes afraid to and/or flat out reluctant to assist. The lack of trust makes any police force (no matter what kind of fancy name you give it) ineffective.
You realize the primary driver of crime is the drug war?
 
One thing for sure is the police requires the assistance of the community at large to get their job done. When you break trust by not holding officers accountable for their mistakes (deliberate or not) the community becomes afraid to and/or flat out reluctant to assist. The lack of trust makes any police force (no matter what kind of fancy name you give it) ineffective.
You realize the primary driver of crime is the drug war?

Other than the obvious that both the police and community wants them gone; what does that have to do with the relationship between the police and the community they serve?
 
One thing for sure is the police requires the assistance of the community at large to get their job done. When you break trust by not holding officers accountable for their mistakes (deliberate or not) the community becomes afraid to and/or flat out reluctant to assist. The lack of trust makes any police force (no matter what kind of fancy name you give it) ineffective.
You realize the primary driver of crime is the drug war?

Other than the obvious that both the police and community wants them gone; what does that have to do with the relationship between the police and the community they serve?
Maybe a drug truce would help create a climate of cooperation?
Just a thought.
 
One thing for sure is the police requires the assistance of the community at large to get their job done. When you break trust by not holding officers accountable for their mistakes (deliberate or not) the community becomes afraid to and/or flat out reluctant to assist. The lack of trust makes any police force (no matter what kind of fancy name you give it) ineffective.
You realize the primary driver of crime is the drug war?
the primary driver of crime is poverty.
 
I'm just growing tired of folks banging on about anti police sentiment and liberal district attorneys while completely ignoring the good people in communities suffering from high crime rates. The people working to provide opportunities for young people in under-resourced neighborhoods with high crime get marginalized by idiots who only highlight the criminal elements. These idiots are the same ones that claim black people glorify violence without seeing they do the exact same thing.
 
the primary driver of crime is poverty
No. Crime causes poverty. It makes stores close or put up iron bars. Business investment tanks. Jobs go away. People avoid public areas. Those who can leave, leave. Home values fall. The more public policy permits crime to fester, the more crime you get. Crime dropped during the Depression and Great Recession
 
the primary driver of crime is poverty
No. Crime causes poverty. It makes stores close or put up iron bars. Business investment tanks. People avoid public areas. Those who can leave, leave. Home values fall. The more public policy permits crime to fester, the more crime you get. Crime dropped during the Depression and Great Recession

Stop intentionally fooling yourself. Crime feeds off poverty. There's a reason neither the crack nor opioid epidemic effects wealthy neighborhoods as much as it does those in poverty. Just say what you really want to say out loud and cut the crap. Black people are crime and everywhere we go we bring crime with us and in turn bring poverty. Stop being a pussy and just say it.
 
Not to mention you only seem to be interested in one particular period when wealth in America was in decline across the board but not all of them. I wonder why. :unsure:
 
Stop being a pussy and just say it.
But it’s so much … SAFER to make smarmy inferences and post news articles about heinous acts committed by folk of the wrong color.
Why subject yourself to justifiable condemnation when you can play victim and imply accusations without ever actually fessing up to being the bigot who made them?
 
Other than the obvious that both the police and community wants them gone; what does that have to do with the relationship between the police and the community they serve?

That's not obvious at all.

If nobody in the community wanted the drugs, there wouldn't be any. Enough people do to keep the problem going.

And for cops, it's kinda like a job security issue. Not only the actual "war on drugs". Also all the related crimes, like robbery and burglary and DUI and such. If everyone stopped abusing alcohol and other drugs we could eliminate 75% of the police force. Put more effort into "the war on corporate malfeasance" and "political corruption" and such.
Tom
 
the primary driver of crime is poverty
No. Crime causes poverty. It makes stores close or put up iron bars. Business investment tanks. Jobs go away. People avoid public areas. Those who can leave, leave. Home values fall. The more public policy permits crime to fester, the more crime you get. Crime dropped during the Depression and Great Recession
no dear.
Poverty causes crime.
Stores close more often than not because they are not selling enough product, and in poor neighborhoods, that's because their customer base has little to no money.
Business investment tanks because the employee pool is poorly educated and prone to sickness, not to mention the effects of poor transportation and insufficient childcare.
Home values fall because the people who came afford to move, move and shrink the tax base so infrastructure falls into disrepair.

Now all these things and more feed into spirals and cycles of despair and it's easy to become overwhelmed and confused.

I used to think crime was the prime mover, but as I studied and read and studied some more, I learned there was no one prime mover, that all kinds of things feed into and sustain poverty.

When people have the means and money to make their lives and neighborhoods better, they do. Tenet associations in housing projects, after school youth programs, investments in schools and hospitals in underserved communities, all these things raise living standards and decrease crime.
 
That's not obvious at all.

The reason why it is not obvious to you is because you believe everyone in the community welcomes drugs and crime. You believe they are all bad people. Right right? Just say it.
 
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