Jason Harvestdancer
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Nice self-portrait you post.
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Nice self-portrait you post.
What then, the demons His Flatulence has summoned?
The excess deaths are substantially greater than 150,000.
The exact cause of death is often hard to pin down with natural causes. The excess deaths are easy enough to count. 156k is low.
Better control freaks than the GOP death cult. You've already racked up 150k deaths on the altar of the economy.
And it was swamping the hospitals in Wuhan before they had a test.
1) Because of the number of bozos out there I don't venture out in anything less than a KN95--and those are enough to give me a lot of protection.
2) You didn't address the fundamental point--you can't know if you're healthy or pre-symptomatic. Wear the mask!
Jason Harvestdancer
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There are two terms medical professionals use, but do not write down on any charts, to describe cause of death. One of them is "TMB" and the other is "TBF".
What these stand for is "too many birthdays" and "total body failure".
Whatever is the cause of death written on the death certificate, many times the person actually died of "too many birthdays".
I know from experience that people on this forum hate unpleasant truths, but that is one of the unpleasant truths of life.
What these stand for is "too many birthdays" and "total body failure".
Whatever is the cause of death written on the death certificate, many times the person actually died of "too many birthdays".
I know from experience that people on this forum hate unpleasant truths, but that is one of the unpleasant truths of life.
Objection: These are Covid deaths that are not being counted as Covid deaths--the true number is well above 150k.
It's a serious underestimate--the excess mortality is well above 150k.
Jason Harvestdancer
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There is evidence that in some areas it is over-counted.
There is evidence that in some areas it is under-counted.
Which of those two you pay attention to depends on which tribe you are loyal to.
There is evidence that in some areas it is under-counted.
Which of those two you pay attention to depends on which tribe you are loyal to.
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Can we see this "evidence", resurcher?
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From Estimation of Excess Deaths Associated With the COVID-19 Pandemic in the United States, March to May 2020 published in the Journal of the American Medical Association:
Weinberger et al. said:
COVID-19 deaths have been under-reported in the US.
ETA: The CDC has a running weekly analysis.
zorq
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So you've got nothing to support your claims.
Maybe you're too lazy to support your claims or maybe you know you are just pulling this stuff out of your ass, but you don't have the integrity to admit it.
Which one is it?
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I am unburdened by what has been.
We’ve known for a long time the people involved with cause of death were playing fast and loose with the data. There excess deaths of course there are but to claim that a 90 year old with cancer was offed by Covid is risible.
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No more risible than saying that a 90 year old with cancer who got hit by a car died of blunt-force trauma. After all, a younger person might have survived the same injuries.
The bottom line is, 122,000 died in a short time frame who would not have died if COVID-19 was not around but only 95,235 were attributed to COVID-19. The fatalities were under-reported. You can't dismiss hard data by asserting that we've known something "for a long time".
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Covid kills people of every age, especially 90 year olds with cancer. Why would you be laughing at that? You don't think it should count as a covid-19 death when it kills someone with a less than 1 year life expectancy? If Covid-19 IS the cause of death, then it IS the cause of death! Maybe you should take your historical revisionism on over to a holocaust denial thread where it's expected.
What Jason is either not understanding out of ignorance or propaganda ingestion, or is deliberately refusing to address out of malice here, is that there is a very long history of data on TMB and TBF deaths, and there is absolutly no reason whatsover for them to have spiked by over 150,000 in the year 2020.
FACT: there are well over 150,000 more deaths than usual this year.
Jason & friends: that is not remarkable to me and must be something totally normal.
But statistics do not work that way. Jason & friends are bad at math.
If the cause of death “TMB” spiked by that much in a year, it damn well better be investigated. Because if it is not COVID, then we have another, different pandemic on our hands that nobody is monitoring!
FACT: there are well over 150,000 more deaths than usual this year.
TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
I certainly can when I know that the data is flawed and there are political motives.
But you if you believe it, stay home, wear a mask or whatever floats your boat.
TSwizzle
I am unburdened by what has been.
No it doesn’t. It overwhelmingly kills the old and infirm. I think the average age for COVID deaths is 80+ and most of them have underlying health issues.
The fact that elderly have the highest mortality rate does not negate the FACT that the statement, “COVID kills people of every age” is absolutely factually true.
Why would you even say, “No it doesn’t” when that is so obviously not true? A 9 month old died. An eight yer old died.
COVID kills people of every age. Fact.
Moreover, the average age at death was 78 on May 18th - prior to the surge in younger deaths in the USA due to premature reopening.