Hollywood "Goes Woke" Again and Casts Black Woman as 007

[Loren Pechtel]

Did you read the article? She isn't "James Bond". She's a new character who is taking his code number, and James Bond is still in the movie. This isn't a recasting at all.

Why can't she have a different code number? 007 is Bond, a white male.

Like I said, no other movie would pander to people like this. No one would remake "Shaft" with a white lead actor. Or imagine wonderwoman being played by a male. It just won't happen.

Pigeonholes.

They are double-0 agents. Realistically, that means 001 through 009--there are only nine numbers available. It's a dangerous profession. If they didn't recycle numbers they would soon run out.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Poor baby! So oppressed! I weep for you. Weep! Weep!

It has nothing to do with oppression. It's like those commercials you see that have an Asian, a black, a white, and a Latino all hanging out as friends. That is obvious pandering to FORCED diversity. That is not natural diversity. They are trying to score woke points.

I've been on hikes with all of these represented and few leaders permit more than about 15 people.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

I really, really want to see Hollywood say, "We made a mistake, we are not casting 007 as a black woman", and then cast 007 as a gay white man.

Bond is clearly male, white, high class and a womanizer. High class is purely acting and thus irrelevant, it would be a clash for a gay to portray a womanizer and the other two clearly should be matched.

However, Bond is simply the current holder of the 007 tag. If Bond no longer does the job it's perfectly reasonable for someone else to get the tag and there is nothing that says what they should be.

 

[RVonse]

Did you read the article? She isn't "James Bond". She's a new character who is taking his code number, and James Bond is still in the movie. This isn't a recasting at all.

Does it matter? The point is that now it's not even politically correct any more for a white male to have the role of 007.

It's the Marvel disease - black Captain America, female Thor are acceptable changes to these superheroes but where is the White Panther as ruler of Wakanda?
It's getting ridiculous.

What was the reason that the new Men In Black movie failed after they cast a white guy in Will Smith’s role? Was that just because it was a bad movie which nobody was asking for or can we read deep meanings about the destruction of society into it as well?

I haven't seen MIB yet but read about it here at wiki:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Men_in_Black:_International
It appears that Chris Hemsworth was cast to replace Tommy Lee Jones; both are white actors. Tessa Thomson takes over for Will Smith, both are black actors. Wiki does not say the MIB International was a commercial failure. But looking at box office to budget is just as crappy as the Ghost Busters movie.

Personally, I'm not a big fan of most spun off movies. The only movies it has worked well for IMO is 007, Star Trek, and Star Wars. But those worked out because they actually wrote different story lines and did not just upgrade the actors and set pieces. The secret sauce is to write a good script IMO.

 

[RVonse]

I really, really want to see Hollywood say, "We made a mistake, we are not casting 007 as a black woman", and then cast 007 as a gay white man.

Bond is clearly male, white, high class and a womanizer.

Agreed.

To cast a black female in his place is not going to work.

If the studios want to pander to a different audience and make money, they should just start over with a totally different kind of spy movie.

 

[Trausti]

I really, really want to see Hollywood say, "We made a mistake, we are not casting 007 as a black woman", and then cast 007 as a gay white man.

Bond is clearly male, white, high class and a womanizer.

Agreed.

To cast a black female in his place is not going to work.

If the studios want to pander to a different audience and make money, they should just start over with a totally different kind of spy movie.

Ditto. Complete lack of creativity now.

 

[Arctish]

Says who?
He quit. Read your own damned link.

Exactly. Its part of the story. This isn't like when they recast a character and change the gender etc. What's immersion breaking or problematic about Bond having his number reassigned after he quit?

The problem is people will think guys who have 007 as part of their gamer names are girls.

"Oh, look, it's Half_Life_007. Hey sweetheart, show us your tits! <audible sniggering and fapping sounds>"

They can't just change their name, either. They'd have to delete their account and start over from scratch.

 

[Half-Life]

Says who?
He quit. Read your own damned link.

Exactly. Its part of the story. This isn't like when they recast a character and change the gender etc. What's immersion breaking or problematic about Bond having his number reassigned after he quit?

The problem is people will think guys who have 007 as part of their gamer names are girls.

"Oh, look, it's Half_Life_007. Hey sweetheart, show us your tits! <audible sniggering and fapping sounds>"

They can't just change their name, either. They'd have to delete their account and start over from scratch.

That is disgusting. I do not play video games.

 

[Arctish]

The problem is people will think guys who have 007 as part of their gamer names are girls.

"Oh, look, it's Half_Life_007. Hey sweetheart, show us your tits! <audible sniggering and fapping sounds>"

They can't just change their name, either. They'd have to delete their account and start over from scratch.

That is disgusting.

We finally agree on something.

I do not play video games.

Too bad.

 

[Ford]

We finally agree on something.

I do not play video games.

Too bad.

HL should probably not watch the first episode of the new season of Black Mirror. It'll make his head explode.

 

[bilby]

Half, did anyone ever explain to you that Deep Space 9 was in the same universe as The Enterprise but not a re-do?
Sisco was not 'black James Kirk.'
Janeway was not 'female James Kirk.'
This 007 is just a continuation of the story you hold so terribly dear to your heart.
So, Bond is a Scot. Do you know how many actual Scotsmen have played Bond on the big screen? Or doesn't that matter to your idea of character integrity?

Bond isn't a Scot. Fleming wrote him as the quintessential Englishman, based on the secret agents Fleming met while working in Naval Intelligence in WWII; In particular Fleming mentioned Wing Commander Forest “Tommy” Yeo-Thomas in his memoirs as one of his inspirations - Wing Cdr. Yeo-Thomas was born in London, though he spoke French like a native - and he spent much of the war in Vichy and occupied France.

The casting of Sean Connery in the first Bond movie (Dr No) no more makes Bond a Scot than his appearance in Hunt for Red October implies that the Soviets had Scots as submarine captains.

Fleming's Bond was the man every post-War Englishman aspired to be - brave, handsome, sophisticated, and living in a world of luxury and style - a sharp contrast to the real lives of the English at a time when rationing was still in force, and only the aristocracy (or those with an unlimited government expense account - which at that time was rather harder to get than a license to kill) could afford international travel, by airliner, no less.

Nobody reading Fleming's novels at the time of their publication would have dreamt that he might be a Scotsman.


Sorry for the rant - My dad is a mad keen Bond fan, and as a result I have read all the novels several times, and seen all the movies whenever they appeared on TV up until I emigrated to Australia in the mid '90s.

My dad is a Physical Chemist, specialising in explosives and combustion; When I was very young (1970s) he frequently visited Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union, which never struck me as unusual. He also had MOD document safes at home and at his office at the university. I presume that he rubbed shoulders with some James Bond types IRL, though I somehow can't manage to picture him in a car chase through Leningrad pursued by the OGPU and firing a Walther PPK. But who knows?

 

[bilby]

I really, really want to see Hollywood say, "We made a mistake, we are not casting 007 as a black woman", and then cast 007 as a gay white man.

The vast majority of British spies during the Cold War were gay white men. But they were spying for the Soviets, and against Her Majesty's Government, so perhaps that doesn't count.

 

[Metaphor]

When Ian Fleming's other franchise Chitty Chitty Bang Bang gets a reimaginng as a (gay) Toyota Prius, I'm stopping the world and getting off.

 

[Patooka]

When Ian Fleming's other franchise Chitty Chitty Bang Bang gets a reimaginng as a (gay) Toyota Prius, I'm stopping the world and getting off.

What about a gender queer Tesla? Is this the hill you want to die on? This whole "conservatives are getting their tits in a flutter because franchises are mixing things up" is nothing new. Here is an article written by Dirk Benedict over fifteen years ago pissing all over the re-imagined Battlestar Galactica saying how shit it is going to be (largely because Starbuck is now a woman), and now Ronald Moore's version is the benchmark on how good Sci-fi is done (finale notwithstanding)

 

[Keith&Co.]

Bond is clearly male, white, high class and a womanizer. High class is purely acting and thus irrelevant, it would be a clash for a gay to portray a womanizer...

Unless his womanizing is a matter of self-denial?

Or maybe even strategic? He seduces women, the bad guys threaten his woman, he shrugs and concentrates on the mission... They trawl beautiful women in front of him, he concentrates on the mission.... Maybe he really WAS thinking of England that one time...

 

[Keith&Co.]

Half, did anyone ever explain to you that Deep Space 9 was in the same universe as The Enterprise but not a re-do?
Sisco was not 'black James Kirk.'
Janeway was not 'female James Kirk.'
This 007 is just a continuation of the story you hold so terribly dear to your heart.
So, Bond is a Scot. Do you know how many actual Scotsmen have played Bond on the big screen? Or doesn't that matter to your idea of character integrity?

Bond isn't a Scot. Fleming wrote him as the quintessential Englishman, based on the secret agents Fleming met while working in Naval Intelligence in WWII; In particular Fleming mentioned Wing Commander Forest “Tommy” Yeo-Thomas in his memoirs as one of his inspirations - Wing Cdr. Yeo-Thomas was born in London, though he spoke French like a native - and he spent much of the war in Vichy and occupied France.

Oh, crap, you're right. It was his housekeeper that was Scottish. My mistake.

It wasn't until the last movie they specified a Scottish background...

 

[Keith&Co.]

That is disgusting. I do not play video games.

Oh, cool. So, more time for you to find the New Testament quote where Jesus says that samesex marriage is a sin....?

 

[Keith&Co.]

When Ian Fleming's other franchise Chitty Chitty Bang Bang gets a reimaginng as a (gay) Toyota Prius, I'm stopping the world and getting off.

Chitty wasn't gay?

Our fine four fendered friend
Your sleek as a thorough bred
Your seats are a feather bed
You turn everybody's head today

Really?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Okay, so 26 films with a chauvanistic womanizing white guy (with several of the last ones not being that good) and now 1 film without it...

... OMFG! It is the end times!

I could understand this wasn't about white male pride if it weren't for all the other mixed race/gender adaptations that led to similar whining and gnashing of teeth. Heck, Captain Marvel has been a woman for a while in the comics, and people still whined about it... and Black Panther was always black... and people whined about that.

People: I'm tired of the same formula of Bond.
Bond Producers: Okay, we are changing it up.
People: OMFG... Bond gone woke! This is so wrong!

 

[ruby sparks]

Like I said, no other movie would pander to people like this. No one would remake "Shaft" with a white lead actor.

No, what happens instead is that non-white characters often don't make it from the page to the screen in the first place. It's called Whitewashing.

You've probably been raising the issue regularly your whole life.