How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Harry Bosch]

Barbos said: "How can he do that? Refusing to buy Russian oil?"

When has Modi said that he would not buy oil from Russia? The American 50% tariffs are, at least, partly because of that. Modi is as firm as rock about sovereignty of India's policies.
NATO, US or Trump would never like to stop arming Ukraine. It is a proxy war at the cost of Ukrainians.

The difference being that arms and aid going to Ukraine are to save lives and blunt the Russian invasion. Aid going to Russia prolongs the war. Here's the deal, the war will continue until Russia stops. Ukraine can't stop. They are home. They will defend their homes. They have no choice. Russia does have a choice.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Perhaps Modi will settle the Russian-Ukranian conflict even if Trump is given the Nobel Prize.
Modi is not mad after a Nobel Prize.

How can he do that? Refusing to buy Russian oil? There are still Chinese. It would hurt India more than Russia.
Trump can settle it himself and do that in hours. All he needs to do is to call Elensky and say "No more weapons, money, intelligence and Starlink for you, agree to everything Russia demands"

Russian demands are ridiculous. Your side wants Ukraine to disarm and then have Russian soldiers in charge of their security! No country on Earth would agree to that.

 

[Elixir]

No country on Earth would agree to that.

Russia did.

 

[barbos]

Perhaps Modi will settle the Russian-Ukranian conflict even if Trump is given the Nobel Prize.
Modi is not mad after a Nobel Prize.

How can he do that? Refusing to buy Russian oil? There are still Chinese. It would hurt India more than Russia.
Trump can settle it himself and do that in hours. All he needs to do is to call Elensky and say "No more weapons, money, intelligence and Starlink for you, agree to everything Russia demands"

Russian demands are ridiculous. Your side wants Ukraine to disarm and then have Russian soldiers in charge of their security! No country on Earth would agree to that.

Austria and Finland agreed to that after WW2

 

[Harry Bosch]

Perhaps Modi will settle the Russian-Ukranian conflict even if Trump is given the Nobel Prize.
Modi is not mad after a Nobel Prize.

How can he do that? Refusing to buy Russian oil? There are still Chinese. It would hurt India more than Russia.
Trump can settle it himself and do that in hours. All he needs to do is to call Elensky and say "No more weapons, money, intelligence and Starlink for you, agree to everything Russia demands"

Russian demands are ridiculous. Your side wants Ukraine to disarm and then have Russian soldiers in charge of their security! No country on Earth would agree to that.

Austria and Finland agreed to that after WW2

Finland gave up substantial land to the imperialist Russia. It did not disarm. Disarming with Russia on your border is suicide.

 

[bilby]

Perhaps Modi will settle the Russian-Ukranian conflict even if Trump is given the Nobel Prize.
Modi is not mad after a Nobel Prize.

How can he do that? Refusing to buy Russian oil? There are still Chinese. It would hurt India more than Russia.
Trump can settle it himself and do that in hours. All he needs to do is to call Elensky and say "No more weapons, money, intelligence and Starlink for you, agree to everything Russia demands"

Russian demands are ridiculous. Your side wants Ukraine to disarm and then have Russian soldiers in charge of their security! No country on Earth would agree to that.

Austria and Finland agreed to that after WW2

Finland gave up substantial land to the imperialist Russia. It did not disarm. Disarming with Russia on your border is suicide.

And Austria wasn't in a position to agree with anything, having not had an independent government since 12 March, 1938. It did not return to being a sovereign state until 1955; Between the military defeat in 1945 and the resumption of sovereignty, allied occupying forces ran the place, not because Austria agreed to allow it, but because she had no way to oppose it.

 

[barbos]

Perhaps Modi will settle the Russian-Ukranian conflict even if Trump is given the Nobel Prize.
Modi is not mad after a Nobel Prize.

How can he do that? Refusing to buy Russian oil? There are still Chinese. It would hurt India more than Russia.
Trump can settle it himself and do that in hours. All he needs to do is to call Elensky and say "No more weapons, money, intelligence and Starlink for you, agree to everything Russia demands"

Russian demands are ridiculous. Your side wants Ukraine to disarm and then have Russian soldiers in charge of their security! No country on Earth would agree to that.

Austria and Finland agreed to that after WW2

Finland gave up substantial land to the imperialist Russia. It did not disarm. Disarming with Russia on your border is suicide.

It's imperialist Russia who gave substantial land to create damn Finland.
Disarming with Russia on your border is the best thing one can do.

 

[barbos]

Perhaps Modi will settle the Russian-Ukranian conflict even if Trump is given the Nobel Prize.
Modi is not mad after a Nobel Prize.

How can he do that? Refusing to buy Russian oil? There are still Chinese. It would hurt India more than Russia.
Trump can settle it himself and do that in hours. All he needs to do is to call Elensky and say "No more weapons, money, intelligence and Starlink for you, agree to everything Russia demands"

Russian demands are ridiculous. Your side wants Ukraine to disarm and then have Russian soldiers in charge of their security! No country on Earth would agree to that.

Austria and Finland agreed to that after WW2

Finland gave up substantial land to the imperialist Russia. It did not disarm. Disarming with Russia on your border is suicide.

And Austria wasn't in a position to agree with anything, having not had an independent government since 12 March, 1938. It did not return to being a sovereign state until 1955; Between the military defeat in 1945 and the resumption of sovereignty, allied occupying forces ran the place, not because Austria agreed to allow it, but because she had no way to oppose it.

They got rid of "Imperialist" Russia in exchange for behaving well and they still behave well.
Ukraine got everything in 1991 for free. They had no debt, best industry in USSR, whole lot of weapons.
But they decided to start a war with Russia on behalf of US/West.

 

[aupmanyav]

The difference being that arms and aid going to Ukraine are to save lives and blunt the Russian invasion. Aid going to Russia prolongs the war. Here's the deal, the war will continue until Russia stops. Ukraine can't stop. They are home. They will defend their homes. They have no choice. Russia does have a choice.

Arms going to Ukraine are not for saving lives. The war has continued for 3.5 years. It is a NATO proxy war.
US, China and EU, all are buying things from Russia, more than what India buys.
War will stop when Ukraine abandons being the stooge of NATO.

Russian demands are ridiculous. Your side wants Ukraine to disarm and then have Russian soldiers in charge of their security! No country on Earth would agree to that.

Again, when Ukraine stops being the stooge of NATO, the demands will change.

Finland gave up substantial land to the imperialist Russia. It did not disarm. Disarming with Russia on your border is suicide.

OK. Continue the war. US and NATO are not loosing anything. It is only the Ukrainians and Russians who die.

 

[Elixir]

War will stop when Ukraine abandons being the stooge of NATO.

… and becomes a FORCED stooge of the Sino-Rus coalition. Uh huh.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

You keep saying that, but where's the evidence you're not using anything you have short of nukes?

That's not really about weapons. it's about targets.
We can level all government buildings in Kiev. We can turn off the light in all of Ukraine and do that for extended period of light.
We can stop letting EU assholes safe traveling to Kiev by train.
We can behave like US in Iraq. Reality is, most Ukrainians are pretty safe.

Meanwhile, an historic event just happened. Russia, for the first time in history, exported chicken eggs into .... US!
had never happened before.You're welcome!

If you had the weapons you would be using them on the front line.

 

[barbos]

You keep saying that, but where's the evidence you're not using anything you have short of nukes?

That's not really about weapons. it's about targets.
We can level all government buildings in Kiev. We can turn off the light in all of Ukraine and do that for extended period of light.
We can stop letting EU assholes safe traveling to Kiev by train.
We can behave like US in Iraq. Reality is, most Ukrainians are pretty safe.

Meanwhile, an historic event just happened. Russia, for the first time in history, exported chicken eggs into .... US!
had never happened before.You're welcome!

If you had the weapons you would be using them on the front line.

Right, "Russia had run out of weapons in April of 2022" theory again.

 

[barbos]

US, China and EU, all are buying things from Russia, more than what India buys.

EU buys russian oil from India and Türkiye too, but for some reason on India is sanctioned, not Türkiye, not EU, only India.

 

[Harry Bosch]

The difference being that arms and aid going to Ukraine are to save lives and blunt the Russian invasion. Aid going to Russia prolongs the war. Here's the deal, the war will continue until Russia stops. Ukraine can't stop. They are home. They will defend their homes. They have no choice. Russia does have a choice.

Arms going to Ukraine are not for saving lives. The war has continued for 3.5 years. It is a NATO proxy war.
US, China and EU, all are buying things from Russia, more than what India buys.
War will stop when Ukraine abandons being the stooge of NATO.

Russian demands are ridiculous. Your side wants Ukraine to disarm and then have Russian soldiers in charge of their security! No country on Earth would agree to that.

Again, when Ukraine stops being the stooge of NATO, the demands will change.

Finland gave up substantial land to the imperialist Russia. It did not disarm. Disarming with Russia on your border is suicide.

OK. Continue the war. US and NATO are not loosing anything. It is only the Ukrainians and Russians who die.

I don't know what "stooge of Nato" means? Can you define that? They are not in Nato. Ukraine needs weapons and aid. They are defending against a much larger invader that is getting substantial weapons, aids, and soldiers from other countries. North Korea sends troops and arms to Ukraine to fight Ukrainians. Do you consider Russia to be "stooge of North Korea"? Simple question: if Ukraine ran out of arms today, what would happen?

 

[Harry Bosch]

Perhaps Modi will settle the Russian-Ukranian conflict even if Trump is given the Nobel Prize.
Modi is not mad after a Nobel Prize.

How can he do that? Refusing to buy Russian oil? There are still Chinese. It would hurt India more than Russia.
Trump can settle it himself and do that in hours. All he needs to do is to call Elensky and say "No more weapons, money, intelligence and Starlink for you, agree to everything Russia demands"

Russian demands are ridiculous. Your side wants Ukraine to disarm and then have Russian soldiers in charge of their security! No country on Earth would agree to that.

Austria and Finland agreed to that after WW2

Finland gave up substantial land to the imperialist Russia. It did not disarm. Disarming with Russia on your border is suicide.

It's imperialist Russia who gave substantial land to create damn Finland.
Disarming with Russia on your border is the best thing one can do.

WTF are you talking about? What land has Russia donated to Finland out of the goodness of their heart?

 

[Elixir]

Arms going to Ukraine are not for saving RUSSIAN lives.

FIFY, Aupy.
Arms sent to Ukraine save Ukranian lives.
Russia has the option to save Russian lives, but their genocidal war criminal “leader” won’t let them go home.

 

[aupmanyav]

Simple question: if Ukraine ran out of arms today, what would happen?

Simple question, simple answer.
1. If Ukraine runs out of arms today, Russia will over-run it.
2. If Ukraine shows interest (abandoning NATO conspiracy), Russia will come up with suggestions for peace.
(Of course, Crimea is gone, but Russian may settle for autonomy of the Russian-occupied areas within Ukraine)
Note: I do not know Putin's mind.

 

[aupmanyav]

FIFY, Aupy.
Arms sent to Ukraine save Ukranian lives.
Russia has the option to save Russian lives, but their genocidal war criminal “leader” won’t let them go home.

OK, have it your way. India tries to help. The decision is with Zelenskyy and NATO.
Yeah, sure, Ukraine will need money for reconstruction after war.
That is what NATO is dangling before Ukraine. 'Fight on, we will help you in reconstruction;.

 

[Elixir]

Note: I do not know Putin's mind.

Yet you are more than willing to tell us what he will do “if”.

Russia will come up with suggestions for peace.

BWAHAHAHA! Were you born yesterday?
Or maybe you have a PhD in euphemism?
Putin will allow peace when Ukraine bends over and lets him fuck them in the ass, and it is laughable for you to pretend otherwise.

 

[aupmanyav]

I don't know what "stooge of Nato" means?

Like Pakistan was during the Afghan war.