How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Elixir]

A hole? No. Just immersed in Godi media.

You sayin’ his brain’s been Modi-fied?

 

[Tigers!]

Russia has violated every peace agreement with Ukraine that it has signed. Ukraine would be crazy to sign any treaty with Russia that forced it to de-arm and give up defensive arms and strategic locations. Without peace keeping troops and massive amounts of defensive arms; Russia will invade again.

Nothing will be forced on Ukraine. That is Trump style. To Zelenskyy - 'Stop war or we don't send supplies'. To Putin - "Stop war or we increase sanctions'. Modi style is diplomacy. He is touch with Putin as well as Zelenskyy. He has consulted European leaders Macron, perhaps Germany too (Foreign Minister Jaishankar will be there on September 10-12. German Foreign Minister Wadephull was in India last week). I think both Russia and Ukraine have had enough. Let us see how it develops.

The only country benefiting from the war is Russia gaining land.

It is not certain that Russia will hold to all land that is under its control. It is your guess and may not necessarily be Putin's plan. Like I said, depends upon the type of peace agreement is signed.

I cannot recall any instance of Russian forces (incl. USSR) that have willingly returned terriority. If they step on it once they consider it theirs for perpituity.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Russia has violated every peace agreement with Ukraine that it has signed. Ukraine would be crazy to sign any treaty with Russia that forced it to de-arm and give up defensive arms and strategic locations. Without peace keeping troops and massive amounts of defensive arms; Russia will invade again.

Nothing will be forced on Ukraine. That is Trump style. To Zelenskyy - 'Stop war or we don't send supplies'. To Putin - "Stop war or we increase sanctions'. Modi style is diplomacy. He is touch with Putin as well as Zelenskyy. He has consulted European leaders Macron, perhaps Germany too (Foreign Minister Jaishankar will be there on September 10-12. German Foreign Minister Wadephull was in India last week). I think both Russia and Ukraine have had enough. Let us see how it develops.

The only country benefiting from the war is Russia gaining land.

It is not certain that Russia will hold to all land that is under its control. It is your guess and may not necessarily be Putin's plan. Like I said, depends upon the type of peace agreement is signed.

Sorry Amigo, but I don't think that any peace treaty signed by Putin is worth a hill billy's butt. Worthless. The only thing that Russia understands is strength. I think that the only thing that will prevent future war is for Ukraine to become like a very dangerous steel porcupine. Become so strongly defensive, that Russia won't attack.

 

[WAB]

Hey there! I'm a hillbilly. Born right near the Catskills. I rekkin my butt's worth plenny!

 

[barbos]

Russian peace will consists of prosecuting, imprisoning or executing some percentage of the Ukrainian population for another term that doesn’t translate well: war crimes.

Depends on what kind of peace agreement is signed. Those who do not adhere to the terms of agreement may sure be punished.

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Russia has violated every peace agreement with Ukraine that it has signed. Ukraine would be crazy to sign any treaty with Russia that forced it to de-arm and give up defensive arms and strategic locations. Without peace keeping troops and massive amounts of defensive arms; Russia will invade again.

Actually, it's US installed nazis who violated all agreements and Ukraine's constitution. But that was the whole idea, was not it?

 

[barbos]

Russia has violated every peace agreement with Ukraine that it has signed. Ukraine would be crazy to sign any treaty with Russia that forced it to de-arm and give up defensive arms and strategic locations. Without peace keeping troops and massive amounts of defensive arms; Russia will invade again.

Nothing will be forced on Ukraine. That is Trump style. To Zelenskyy - 'Stop war or we don't send supplies'. To Putin - "Stop war or we increase sanctions'. Modi style is diplomacy. He is touch with Putin as well as Zelenskyy. He has consulted European leaders Macron, perhaps Germany too (Foreign Minister Jaishankar will be there on September 10-12. German Foreign Minister Wadephull was in India last week). I think both Russia and Ukraine have had enough. Let us see how it develops.

The only country benefiting from the war is Russia gaining land.

It is not certain that Russia will hold to all land that is under its control. It is your guess and may not necessarily be Putin's plan. Like I said, depends upon the type of peace agreement is signed.

I cannot recall any instance of Russian forces (incl. USSR) that have willingly returned terriority. If they step on it once they consider it theirs for perpituity.

USSR willingly returned Austria after WW2. Also USSR refused to take Bulgaria when they themselves asked to join USSR
Ukraine itself in its official borders is the result of USSR/Russia leaving it. It was bad idea, now we have to fix it.

 

[Crumb]

Hey there! I'm a hillbilly. Born right near the Catskills. I rekkin my butt's worth plenny!

Post proof or retract.

 

[WAB]

Hey there! I'm a hillbilly. Born right near the Catskills. I rekkin my butt's worth plenny!

Post proof or retract.

(_!_)

 

[aupmanyav]

Bwahahaha!!!
You been living in a hole?
Hundreds of thousands of genocidal Russian goons have been forced on Ukraine for almost three years. And it continues today.

What else do you expect in a war? Every attack on Russia will enrage Putin and Russian Commanders. Same for Ukrainian soldiers.
Buddha said violence is not the answer.

I cannot recall any instance of Russian forces (incl. USSR) that have willingly returned terriority. If they step on it once they consider it theirs for perpituity.

I cannot predict what will happen this time. I am not a prophet.

 

[aupmanyav]

A hole? No. Just immersed in Godi media.

What is Godi media? If you mean Modi, then yes, I am a strong Modi supporter like at least 65% of the Indians are.
Ranking of World leaders: https://www.statista.com/statistics/1456852/world-leader-approval-ratings/
https://pro.morningconsult.com also gives 72% for August. Trump; 45%.
Modi has undisputedly been there for years. Modi is a gift of Gods to India.

Modi's approval ranking at DuckDuckGo

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Become so strongly defensive, that Russia won't attack.

Right. Get Bombs, aircrafts, carriers, missiles, conscript all adults below the age of 60, to get the capability to attack Russia from North and South.

 

[bilby]

Modi is a tit.

And you should never, ever, trust any politician who can sustain an approval rating over 50%; The only way to do that is to not support necessary (but unpopular) policies, and that's always a slow-motion disaster for any country.

It also usually implies supporting stupid but popular policies (eg xenophobia and authoritarianism*), which can make the disaster rather less slow.

Democracy should not be allowed to engender crass populism. That's why a strong constitution, and rigid separation of powers (ideally enshrined therein), are essential.




*Authoritarianism is always very popular with the supporters of the Leopards Eating Other People's Faces faction that arises wherever people are well off enough to be scared of petty crime.

 

[aupmanyav]

And you should never, ever, trust any politician who can sustain an approval rating over 50%; The only way to do that is to not support necessary (but unpopular) policies, and that's always a slow-motion disaster for any country.

It also usually implies supporting stupid but popular policies (eg xenophobia and authoritarianism*), which can make the disaster rather less slow.

Democracy should not be allowed to engender crass populism. That's why a strong constitution, and rigid separation of powers (ideally enshrined therein), are essential.
*Authoritarianism is always very popular with the supporters of the Leopards Eating Other People's Faces faction that arises wherever people are well off enough to be scared of petty crime.

Yes, Modi may make mistakes. He is human. But he would correct any mistake that he makes. I have absolute, complete trust in Modi.
I have differences with his policy. A huge amount of money has gone to public as freebies. That is uneconomic, but that is the compulsion of the democracy that we now have in India.
If democracy engenders crash populism, then what does one do? Opposing it will mean a rout in the elections. It is a great balancing act.
We have to live with it.

Opposition promises freebies and Modi's' party too has to make similar promises. I agree, it is stupid, like free electricity up to 300 kw (we are talking of a population of 1.47 billion), or free supply of food items to some 800 million poor people of India for the last five years since Covid-19. Some policies are not uniform all over the country. I hope, some day we will have a law that any such policy has to be operative all over the country meaning approval of the governments of all states or a big majority of them (say two-third)..

We have a nice Constitution and a nice Justice system to take care of it. But making any big change in Constitution requires big majorities.
It cannot be changed at someone's whim.

 

[aupmanyav]

Why Modi, because no other country in the world has a 'faqir' as the Prime Minister, who does not have a family to pass his wealth to and one who does not own anything except his savings which today come to some USD 342,481 (2024)which too he will give in charity when he relinquishes his position as Prime Minister in 2029. His saving cannot buy the middle-class apartment that we live in.

The only person who can be compared to him is the Uttar Pradesh (India's largest state by population, some 262 million) Chief Minister, Yogi Aditya nath, who is an ordained sadhu and is the head of Gorakhnath cult and seminary. A very strong administrator, he too has no possessions, no family, other than the people of India. His assets are USD 175,709 (2022), which would not be enough to buy an additional smaller apartment that my son has (We have three in Delhi). Gorakhnath Cult does not recognize castes and religions. Perhaps one day, InshAllah, he too will be a Prime Minister of India.

Yogi Aditya nath

 

[Harry Bosch]

Bwahahaha!!!
You been living in a hole?
Hundreds of thousands of genocidal Russian goons have been forced on Ukraine for almost three years. And it continues today.

What else do you expect in a war? Every attack on Russia will enrage Putin and Russian Commanders. Same for Ukrainian soldiers.
Buddha said violence is not the answer.

Amigo, you are being so hypocritical here! Imagine when your country was attacked by Pakistan earlier this year; if we reminded you that Buddah would say violence is not the answer! Just turn the other cheek and meditate. The invaders will continue killing and raping until they are killed.

 

[aupmanyav]

Amigo, you are being so hypocritical here! Imagine when your country was attacked by Pakistan earlier this year; if we reminded you that Buddah would say violence is not the answer! Just turn the other cheek and meditate. The invaders will continue killing and raping until they are killed.

Amigo, we did that without any loss whatsoever to Pakistani public, who are our brothers. Only the 9 selected terrorist dens were bombed. We would have stopped with that if Pakistan had not responded. But they used drones. So we destroyed their radars and bombed 13 of their air-bases on the third and the fourth day, when they asked for a cease-fire. Indian strike was clinical.
Note: Trump had no role in the cease-fire. We told Rubio that Pakistan Director of Military Operations (DGMO) should talk to his Indian counter-part. He falsely claims that to get his Nobel Prize. Trump is a liar.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Amigo, you are being so hypocritical here! Imagine when your country was attacked by Pakistan earlier this year; if we reminded you that Buddah would say violence is not the answer! Just turn the other cheek and meditate. The invaders will continue killing and raping until they are killed.

Amigo, we did that without any loss whatsoever to Pakistani public, who are our brothers. Only the 9 selected terrorist dens were bombed. We would have stopped with that if Pakistan had not responded. But they used drones. So we destroyed their radars and bombed 13 of their air-bases on the third and the fourth day, when they asked for a cease-fire. Indian strike was clinical.
Note: Trump had no role in the cease-fire, as he falsely claims to get his Nobel Prize.

Totally agree with you about Trump! Super funny that he tried to claim credit for that. Pakistan terrorists attacked Indian. India defended itself. The attacked ended. This is what Ukraine is trying to do, stop the Russian invasion. If they turned the other cheek, as your previous statement advocated, they would be destroyed.

 

[barbos]

Aaron Maté explains sequence of events best:

 

[Elixir]

Bwahahaha!!!
You been living in a hole?
Hundreds of thousands of genocidal Russian goons have been forced on Ukraine for almost three years. And it continues today.

What else do you expect in a war?

The question is what do YOU expect? You were the one stating that "Nothing will be forced on Ukraine". Remember that?
It's why I reminded you that Putin invaded Ukraine unprovoked after lying about the preparations for the initial catastrophic failure...
It's war, dude. War is ALL ABOUT forcing things on people and nations.

Every attack on Russia will enrage Putin and Russian Commanders. Same for Ukrainian soldiers.
Buddha said violence is not the answer.

Tell them to stop, then. All they have to do is go home. Ukraine never threatened them. "Feeling threatened" is a psychological state created and perpetuated by the Putin regime, and serves as a tortured excuse for territorial aggression.

I cannot recall any instance of Russian forces (incl. USSR) that have willingly returned terriority. If they step on it once they consider it theirs for perpituity.

Spot on. No surprises expected.

I cannot predict what will happen this time. I am not a prophet.

"You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows"
- Murkin Buddha

 

[aupmanyav]

Totally agree with you about Trump! Super funny that he tried to claim credit for that. Pakistan terrorists attacked Indian. India defended itself. The attacked ended. This is what Ukraine is trying to do, stop the Russian invasion. If they turned the other cheek, as your previous statement advocated, they would be destroyed.

There would not have been a Russian invasion if Ukraine had kept in mind Russian susceptibilities. They tilted west too far. That is why many countries (including US and India) do not recognize Taiwan as an independent country.

 

[aupmanyav]

The question is what do YOU expect? You were the one stating that "Nothing will be forced on Ukraine". Remember that?
It's why I reminded you that Putin invaded Ukraine unprovoked after lying about the preparations for the initial catastrophic failure...
It's war, dude. War is ALL ABOUT forcing things on people and nations.

I am not discussing why Ukraine and Russia are at war (which I have discussed elsewhere). Both Zelenskyy as well as Putin are in contact with Modi and he is trying to see if a cease-fire is possible. Our interest is limited to just that.

Tell them to stop, then. All they have to do is go home. Ukraine never threatened them. "Feeling threatened" is a psychological state created and perpetuated by the Putin regime, and serves as a tortured excuse for territorial aggression.

Who has given us that authority? All countries have this psychological state. Trump too called India/China relation as falling in deep darkness. Why? Why can't he see this relation as rapprochement after a period of bad relations between two countries. He should have welcomed it. Nations have their fears, India too has them.

"You don't need a weather man to know which way the wind blows" - Murkin Buddha

No. I am not Murkin Buddha. Whether changes have been very abrupt this year in this part of the world. India and Pakistan are facing worst floods in 40 years.