How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Harry Bosch]

FIFY, Aupy.
Arms sent to Ukraine save Ukranian lives.
Russia has the option to save Russian lives, but their genocidal war criminal “leader” won’t let them go home.

OK, have it your way. India tries to help. The decision is with Zelenskyy and NATO.
Yeah, sure, Ukraine will need money for reconstruction after war.
That is what NATO is dangling before Ukraine. 'Fight on, we will help you in reconstruction;.

Do you really believe that Nato wants a war with Russia?? Why. That is crazy Barbos conspiracy stuff. If you know anything about Europe and Trump, they do not want war. They favor business and trade. This war has been awful for business and trade. The west does not want Ukraine overrun because we aren't monsters. We also fear that Russia will next start picking off other weaker countries. We're going to be in continuous war until imperialism is stopped.

 

[aupmanyav]

Do you really believe that Nato wants a war with Russia?? Why. .. They favor business and trade. This war has been awful for business and trade. The west does not want Ukraine overrun because we aren't monsters.

Proxy wars are advantageous, like the one which Pakistan was fighting with us.
I hope they would not try to do it again. Modi is not going to warn them.
Trump, Venezuela, CIA, Iran, Iraq .. Yeah, US has never wanted a war.
I am sure that US would like the armament industry to close down.

 

[barbos]

WTF are you talking about? What land has Russia donated to Finland out of the goodness of their heart?

Are you aware that Lenin created independent Finland?

 

[barbos]

Russian may settle for autonomy of the Russian-occupied areas within Ukraine

Too late for that, they already voted to join Russia.

 

[barbos]

Do you really believe that Nato wants a war with Russia?? Why. That is crazy Barbos conspiracy stuff.

Not my conspiracy, yours.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Note: I do not know Putin's mind.

Yet you are more than willing to tell us what he will do “if”.

Russia will come up with suggestions for peace.

BWAHAHAHA! Were you born yesterday?
Or maybe you have a PhD in euphemism?
Putin will allow peace when Ukraine bends over and lets him fuck them in the ass, and it is laughable for you to pretend otherwise.

Does “peace” in Russian mean the same as it does in English?
Russian peace will consists of prosecuting, imprisoning or executing some percentage of the Ukrainian population for another term that doesn’t translate well: war crimes.
Russian peace. Humph!

 

[unapologetic]

All he needs to do is to call Elensky and say "No more weapons, money, intelligence and Starlink for you, agree to everything Russia demands"

Didn't Rump already use that threat tne first time Zelensky visited the White House?

Threat and acting on in are two different things

Irrelevant. You said all he needed was the threat.
He made the threat. It was ignored.

Austria and Finland agreed to that after WW2

Japan and Germany too.

 

[unapologetic]

Are you aware that Lenin created independent Finland?

Do you think Putin gives a shit what Lenin did.

 

[barbos]

He made the threat. It was ignored.

actually he did not. And he really can't, because nobody believes anything coming out of his mouth
So he really needed to to make threat and then follow through with it.

 

[barbos]

Are you aware that Lenin created independent Finland?

Do you think Putin gives a shit what Lenin did.

Yes.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Do you really believe that Nato wants a war with Russia?? Why. .. They favor business and trade. This war has been awful for business and trade. The west does not want Ukraine overrun because we aren't monsters.

Proxy wars are advantageous, like the one which Pakistan was fighting with us.
I hope they would not try to do it again. Modi is not going to warn them.
Trump, Venezuela, CIA, Iran, Iraq .. Yeah, US has never wanted a war.
I am sure that US would like the armament industry to close down.

Advantageous? They are, but to a very few defense companies. But that assumes that the war doesn't go nuclear. But overall, the Russian invasion has been terrible on the world's economy; and also, very bad for Europe and the US. In fact, I think that Harris would have beaten Trump if not for the economic problems caused by the war. The cost of oil affects every product in the US. Oil costs increases, transportation expenses increase, inflation goes up. But it's also bad for US defense industry also long term. Europe increasing their defense budgets due to fear of Russian war; means that they will buy fewer US systems; they'll instead develop European weapon systems and buy those. The war is not good. Surprised that someone from India doesn't understand this.

 

[aupmanyav]

The cost of oil affects every product in the US. Oil costs increases, transportation expenses increase, inflation goes up. But it's also bad for US defense industry also long term. Europe increasing their defense budgets due to fear of Russian war; means that they will buy fewer US systems; they'll instead develop European weapon systems and buy those. The war is not good. Surprised that someone from India doesn't understand this.

Yes, oil and gas are a problem for those who do not have it or do not have enough of it, that is why India is buying oil from Russia (49 billion, Turkey 34 billion and EU 22 billion in total). It is unreasonable to fault India for that. Europe and US are buying finished oil products from India (Netherland 11 billion, US 5 billion). And it is bad that Europe is developing their own defense systems (India too) or that India is not buying enough of the costly US systems (and the US will not remove 'Trojan Horses' from their software). We should depend on US for all that.

 

[aupmanyav]

Russian peace will consists of prosecuting, imprisoning or executing some percentage of the Ukrainian population for another term that doesn’t translate well: war crimes.

Depends on what kind of peace agreement is signed. Those who do not adhere to the terms of agreement may sure be punished.

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[Tigers!]

WTF are you talking about? What land has Russia donated to Finland out of the goodness of their heart?

Are you aware that Lenin created independent Finland?

Silly me. I thought it was Mannerheim and the Finns themselves who created an idependent Finland after the October Revolution.

 

[unapologetic]

He made the threat. It was ignored.

actually he did not. And he really can't shouldn't have, because nobody (with any intelligence) believes anything coming out of Taco's mouth.
So he really needed to to make threat and then follow through with it. Which is why it didn't work.

 

[Harry Bosch]

The cost of oil affects every product in the US. Oil costs increases, transportation expenses increase, inflation goes up. But it's also bad for US defense industry also long term. Europe increasing their defense budgets due to fear of Russian war; means that they will buy fewer US systems; they'll instead develop European weapon systems and buy those. The war is not good. Surprised that someone from India doesn't understand this.

Yes, oil and gas are a problem for those who do not have it or do not have enough of it, that is why India is buying oil from Russia (49 billion, Turkey 34 billion and EU 22 billion in total). It is unreasonable to fault India for that. Europe and US are buying finished oil products from India (Netherland 11 billion, US 5 billion). And it is bad that Europe is developing their own defense systems (India too) or that India is not buying enough of the costly US systems (and the US will not remove 'Trojan Horses' from their software). We should depend on US for all that.

Well, my point is that this war is bad for everyone. The west does not want it to prolong. All Trump cares about is making money and deals. And I think that he is getting very frustrated that Putin. The only country benefitting from the war is Russia gaining land.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Russian peace will consists of prosecuting, imprisoning or executing some percentage of the Ukrainian population for another term that doesn’t translate well: war crimes.

Depends on what kind of peace agreement is signed. Those who do not adhere to the terms of agreement may sure be punished.

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Russia has violated every peace agreement with Ukraine that it has signed. Ukraine would be crazy to sign any treaty with Russia that forced it to de-arm and give up defensive arms and strategic locations. Without peace keeping troops and massive amounts of defensive arms; Russia will invade again.

 

[aupmanyav]

Russia has violated every peace agreement with Ukraine that it has signed. Ukraine would be crazy to sign any treaty with Russia that forced it to de-arm and give up defensive arms and strategic locations. Without peace keeping troops and massive amounts of defensive arms; Russia will invade again.

Nothing will be forced on Ukraine. That is Trump style. To Zelenskyy - 'Stop war or we don't send supplies'. To Putin - "Stop war or we increase sanctions'. Modi style is diplomacy. He is touch with Putin as well as Zelenskyy. He has consulted European leaders Macron, perhaps Germany too (Foreign Minister Jaishankar will be there on September 10-12. German Foreign Minister Wadephull was in India last week). I think both Russia and Ukraine have had enough. Let us see how it develops.

The only country benefiting from the war is Russia gaining land.

It is not certain that Russia will hold to all land that is under its control. It is your guess and may not necessarily be Putin's plan. Like I said, depends upon the type of peace agreement is signed.

 

[Elixir]

Nothing will be forced on Ukraine.

Bwahahaha!!!
You been living in a hole?
Hundreds of thousands of genocidal Russian goons have been forced on Ukraine for almost three years. And it continues today.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Nothing will be forced on Ukraine.

Bwahahaha!!!
You been living in a hole?
Hundreds of thousands of genocidal Russian goons have been forced on Ukraine for almost three years. And it continues today.

A hole? No. Just immersed in Godi media.