How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[TV and credit cards]

Hopefully ISW will bring some clarity in the coming days.

Military analysts have said that the aim is to sever reinforcement and resupply lines to Russian troops to ultimately force their retreat or surrender. Ukrainian officials have previously stated that the long-expected offensive will be dissimilar from those of World War Two; there will be no massed ranks of infantry and armored vehicles pushing forward.

Meanwhile, Ukrainian resistance units working behind Russian lines have continued an accelerating campaign against targets including senior officials, especially collaborators.

Ukraine’s ‘War of the Bridges’ Begins With Southern Push

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Harry Bosch]

Go Go Go Ukraine!

 

[barbos]

Still not providing evidence to the crap you spew.

Crap is being spewed by you and your lying media.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Still not providing evidence to the crap you spew.

Crap is being spewed by you and your lying media.

Fact or Fiction: Russian soldiers are in Ukraine were not invited?

 

[barbos]

If Ukraine can get any land back, Kherson is probably the most likely place it'll happen.

No, it's 100% suicide. Kherson is an open field with Russia having total control of the air and 50x advantage in the artillery.

 

[barbos]

Still not providing evidence to the crap you spew.

Crap is being spewed by you and your lying media.

Fact or Fiction: Russian soldiers are in Ukraine were not invited?

Fact or fiction: Russia bombs the Nuclear plant they themselves control?

 

[Rhea]

Fact or Fiction: Russian soldiers are in Ukraine were not invited?

Fact or fiction: Russia bombs the Nuclear plant they themselves control?

I can see why you would be reluctant to answer that question, barbos.

 

[barbos]

Ukraine has been able to constrain Russian logistics by damaging the three bridges over the Dnipro river, and Russia hasn't yet finished the replacement pontoon bridge.

Russia were using rail road dam bridge for logistics.
It's much harder to destroy. And people in the know say Ukraine just wasted limited amount of expensive american ammunition, which could have been used more efficiently elsewhere.
In reality, ukrainian regime is more concerned with media coverage, than with millitary sense. That's why they bomb such targets. They need to show something and the only thing they can show are random hits which have no military significance.

 

[barbos]

Fact or Fiction: Russian soldiers are in Ukraine were not invited?

Fact or fiction: Russia bombs the Nuclear plant they themselves control?

I can see why you would be reluctant to answer that question, barbos.

I am not reluctant. Nazi regime you installed in Ukraine did not invite russian soldiers.

 

[barbos]

Ukraine says it has begun counter-offensive to retake Russian-held south

Happy hunting.

It's over.

 

[barbos]

The situation is, as long as Ukraine is halting Russian aggression in East Ukraine, Russia cannot attack Poland, the Baltic states, Finland, Sweden, or NATO partners. And to use economic warfare to cripple Russia's military abilities. Russia is screwed.

This is kind of garbage CNN and their MIC paid "journalists" are spewing.
Nobody in Russia cares about Baltic shithole.

economic warfare is only crippling Europe. Even your own CIA/MIC infested media is starting to acknowledge that their plan is not working.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Europe will survive quite nicely over the next few years. Imports of important products necessary for Russia's military will cease. It will take years for Russia to create factories from scratch to fill the void. As is Russia cannot stop the Ukranian air force. HIMARs are taking out Russia's munitian depots and other high value targets. Javelins and other anti-armor weapons are grinding Russia's tanks to burnt, rusty metal. Far faster than Russia can possibly replace them. HARMs are destroying Russia's anti-aircraft systems that will not be replaced anytime soon. Russia's airforce is being destroyed faster than replacements for them can be built.

Check with google, how many fighter and attack aircraft does Russia have? NOT MANY! Every one blown out of the skies over Ukrain is a serious loss.

Weapons are still making their way to Ukraine. And Russia simply cannot commit every last tank they have to Ukraine. Not with China on its borders. Can it? A javelin missles is far, far cheaper than a tank. How many more aircraft can Russia afford to lose to cheap anti-aircraft missiles?

You can be assured the Ukrainians and Western politicians and NATO military experts are well aware of the facts and are pla ning accordingly. This is a war of attrition.

Putie in the recent past has threatened the Baltic nation and others. Now we can see that in fact, Putie has nn chances beyond Ukraine.

 

[Patooka]

Still not providing evidence to the crap you spew.

Crap is being spewed by you and your lying media.

Good. Then you can provide some proof to what you said here.

Oh, wait, you can't? Yeah didn't think so. And it's the third time I've asked you for some proof on this instance. I'm calling bullshit.

I'm willing to bet a lot of people think of you as that 13-year old who has a super hot girlfriend (but you wouldn't know her because she an exchange student who lives in Canada). If you ever want to know why; this is why.

But good luck trying to convince everyone Ukraine is full of Nazis. Clearly so many people believe you.

 

[Jayjay]

If Ukraine can get any land back, Kherson is probably the most likely place it'll happen.

No, it's 100% suicide. Kherson is an open field with Russia having total control of the air and 50x advantage in the artillery.

Don't believe the Russian propaganda. It has been saying since March that it has "total control of the air" but somehow their planes and helicopters are still getting shot down regularly. And "50x advantage in artillery" is just bullshit, especially in Kherson where logistics are limited. It doesn't matter how many artillery pieces you have if the only way to resupply them are a couple of barges over the river. Let's see what happens to that pontoon bridge.

That doesn't mean Russia won't be able to hold its ground. But Ukraine has some unique advantages there that it lacks in the East, and the stakes are higher.

 

[Jayjay]

Still not providing evidence to the crap you spew.

Crap is being spewed by you and your lying media.

Fact or Fiction: Russian soldiers are in Ukraine were not invited?

Fact or fiction: Russia bombs the Nuclear plant they themselves control?

I haven't really paid attention to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant situation, but Russia bombed a prison it controls so it's not out of the question. Plenty of places around a nuclear plant where its "safe" to shell without risk of catastrophic failure. In particular Russia wants to disconnect the plant from Ukrainian power grid so destroying power lines going to Ukraine would make sense.

On the other hand Ukraine has a reason to disable the power lines going to Crimea. Or establish a credible threat to shut down the whole plant if Russia goes ahead with its plan to disconnect the plant from Ukrainian power grid.

 

[barbos]

I haven't really paid attention to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant situation, but Russia bombed a prison it controls so it's not out of the question.

Yes, that's what your propaganda tells you.
Americans admitted that Ukrainian regime is shelling Nuclear plant when they said ...... "We don't know who is shelling that Nuclear Plant"
In fact, some people suggest that americans themselves are taking part in shelling the plant because ukrainians can not operate HIMARS system.

Your media are filthy liars.

 

[barbos]

but somehow their planes and helicopters are still getting shot down regularly.

No, not regularly, in fact I have not heard such a thing for a few months now.
Of course your lying piece of shit media is still stuck in February.

 

[barbos]

Still not providing evidence to the crap you spew.

Crap is being spewed by you and your lying media.

Good. Then you can provide some proof to what you said here.

Oh, wait, you can't? Yeah didn't think so. And it's the third time I've asked you for some proof on this instance. I'm calling bullshit.

I'm willing to bet a lot of people think of you as that 13-year old who has a super hot girlfriend (but you wouldn't know her because she an exchange student who lives in Canada). If you ever want to know why; this is why.

But good luck trying to convince everyone Ukraine is full of Nazis. Clearly so many people believe you.

The fact that you were not aware of well known and accepted facts about crimes committed by ukrainian regime is a proof that your media consists of lying scam.
every single one of them is an utter scam!

 

[Jayjay]

Ukraine has been able to constrain Russian logistics by damaging the three bridges over the Dnipro river, and Russia hasn't yet finished the replacement pontoon bridge.

Russia were using rail road dam bridge for logistics.
It's much harder to destroy.

Hardly:

That's the railroad on the left from early August. It's possible that it has been repaired, but it's easy enough to blow up again. And it would be insane for Russia to transport ammunition by train that close to the front line because the train itself would become an easy target.

And people in the know say Ukraine just wasted limited amount of expensive american ammunition, which could have been used more efficiently elsewhere.
In reality, ukrainian regime is more concerned with media coverage, than with millitary sense. That's why they bomb such targets. They need to show something and the only thing they can show are random hits which have no military significance.

Based on satellite fire data, Russian artillery has been reduced by quite a lot since Ukraine started using HIMARS. The hits are not random: they target ammunition dumps, command centers, bridges, railways. Russian logistics has taken a very big hit, but it's not a fatal blow: if you start with 20x artillery advantage and the enemy reduces it by half, you still have a 10x advantage.

If the bridges were not militarily important, why is Russia forced to use barges and build half a mile long pontoon bridge over the river? Why move command centers from Kherson city to the left bank of the river?

Furthermore, Ukraine has to continue to disrupt the bridges. Hitting the same places over and over again is like treading water: you're not getting anywhere but if you stop, you drown. And while the GMLRS ammunition is insanely accurate, Ukraine lacks UAVs and skills to use them for counter-battery fire, so stationary targets are currently the best that they can do.