How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[Jayjay]

The situation is, as long as Ukraine is halting Russian aggression in East Ukraine, Russia cannot attack Poland, the Baltic states, Finland, Sweden, or NATO partners. And to use economic warfare to cripple Russia's military abilities. Russia is screwed.

This is kind of garbage CNN and their MIC paid "journalists" are spewing.
Nobody in Russia cares about Baltic shithole.

You said that about Ukraine too.

economic warfare is only crippling Europe. Even your own CIA/MIC infested media is starting to acknowledge that their plan is not working.

For very mild values of "crippling". Fuel is a bit more expensive and Germans probably have to wear sweaters next winter. The real risk is that people might be stupid enough to vote in useful idiots who think appeasing Russia is going to work again, when it didn't work in 2014.

 

[barbos]

That's the railroad on the left from early August. It's possible that it has been repaired, but it's easy enough to blow up again.

It can easily be kept repaired indefinitely.

 

[barbos]

You said that about Ukraine too.

Nope, I (more importantly Putin) never said that about Ukraine.
Baltic States are too small and insignificant to pay attention.
The reason they keep barking is because they are in deep shit economically and demographically (even without "help" from Russia )

 

[barbos]

For very mild values of "crippling". Fuel is a bit more expensive and Germans probably have to wear sweaters next winter. The real risk is that people might be stupid enough to vote in useful idiots who think appeasing Russia is going to work again, when it didn't work in 2014.

Russia will never tolerate Nazi controlled Ukraine.

 

[barbos]

Western media are so full of shit, it's mind boggling.
They are covering old lies with new ones hoping this does not end badly for them personally. After all, they have reputation - free press and shit.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Western media are so full of shit, it's mind boggling.
They are covering old lies with new ones hoping this does not end badly for them personally. After all, they have reputation - free press and shit.

If what you are saying is correct, why is this war continuing into the 6th month of operations? Why did Putler authorize 137,000 more Russian military recruits?

 

[Harry Bosch]

For very mild values of "crippling". Fuel is a bit more expensive and Germans probably have to wear sweaters next winter. The real risk is that people might be stupid enough to vote in useful idiots who think appeasing Russia is going to work again, when it didn't work in 2014.

Russia will never tolerate Nazi controlled Ukraine.

The sad thing about it is that Putler has so revved his country up with this lie that Russia can't really back down. This is the issue with so much lying to citizens is that you get backed into a corner. And Russia can't get back out.

 

[bilby]

In reality, ukrainian regime is more concerned with media coverage, than with millitary sense. That's why they bomb such targets. They need to show something and the only thing they can show are random hits which have no military significance.

Ahh, that explains why they have done so poorly, and were completely defeated by Russia back in March.

Oh, wait.

Shit.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Putie can draft 137,000 more Cannon fodder. But can he train them and arm them adequately?

 

[Elixir]

Putie can draft 137,000 more Cannon fodder. But can he train them and arm them adequately?

Who cares? If they all die, that will only make the Russian people more invested in Putler’s war. That’s more important than the meaningless lives of the Russian throngs.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Western media are so full of shit, it's mind boggling.
They are covering old lies with new ones hoping this does not end badly for them personally. After all, they have reputation - free press and shit.

Yeah... which is why Russia took over the Ukraine capital several months ago... instead of their progress looking much like WWI progress, ie stalled?

You keep bitching about West lies, but the Russian claims of doing great, over-running Ukraine, this thing being over very shortly have been as exposed for BS like Mike Lindell's claims about Trump becoming reinstated as the President again. Russia lost their ship in the Black Sea, and shit hasn't improved since.

Russia appears to continue the fight with one arm tied behind their back... but as time passes, it really makes one wonder if they aren't just one armed.

Ukraine appears to be Russia's version of the US's Iraq. Undersized and unprepared for occupation. But at least the US got to the occupation part, their shock and awe campaign actually worked.

 

[Elixir]

What could be funnier than Mister “There will be no invasion” complaining about “western media” being full of shit?

 

[marc]

Putie can draft 137,000 more Cannon fodder. But can he train them and arm them adequately?

Who cares? If they all die, that will only make the Russian people more invested in Putler’s war. That’s more important than the meaningless lives of the Russian throngs.

Maybe Putin has learned from history. He studied WWII and found that the way to defeat Nazis is to engage in a war that kills off 80% of your adult male population.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Russia cannot defeat Ukraine and occupy it. They can however mercilessly destroy much of Ukraiane. A campaign of terror and genocide. Russia would get only a desolate wastelend. If I was Ukraine, I would set up a sreaming platform, and document these horrors 24/7. Let the world see what Russia is all about. Even Russians would be horrified.

Like the good German cirizens that were forced to tour the Nazi death camps. And help quell the fatigue of arming and helpin Ukraine Putie will be counting on.

 

[Jayjay]

I haven't really paid attention to the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant situation, but Russia bombed a prison it controls so it's not out of the question.

Yes, that's what your propaganda tells you.

No, that's what evidence and my own two eyes tell me.

I already addressed the Olenivka prison forgery in an earlier post, so to save time I'll just quote it here:

Ukrainian army DID hit their own prisoners
Just because your lying press says it could have been russians does not make it so.

No, it doesn't, but the evidence does make it so.

A Russian admits in an intercepted call that there were bombs inside the prison, and the explosions were covered with a Grad barrage (and gunshots afterwards, I guess to finish off any surviving M31 rocket...). And he scene doesn't look at all like a HIMARS strike, it looks like a fire: no impact crater, walls still standing and ceiling not blown off, flimsy beds almost intact except for the fire, and no impact crater.

This is what a HIMARS strikes look like:

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And this is Olenivka:

More images here.

Also: Isn't it a funny coincidence that not a single Russian guard got killed or injured? Or that there was no SAM response? Or that the Azovstal defenders were separated from other prisoners just a few days ago?

The only "evidence" that Russia presented for its claim that it was HIMARS, are fragments of M31 missiles on a nearby bench. They could have been collected from any of the multiple sites that were hit before. But unlike previous strikes, all of which to my knowledge have some footage of the pieces in situ, these fragments just show up on that blue bench. Not a single image or video clip of them inside the prison building. And there is just one video that I've seen with a serial number, all later video seem to have that part removed for some reason... maybe Russian fakers don't want the origin of the pieces actually being tracked down?

There is a repeating pattern of you parroting Russian propagandists, but then going silent when presented with contradictory evidence... and you always seem to regurgitate the same old garbage that has been debunked a thousand times already: MH17, Bucha massacre, Russian bombings of Mariupol, the Kramatorsk railway station attack, Kharkiv city hall missile strike, etc. etc. You'd make a fine Christian apologist or a Young Earth Creationist.

Americans admitted that Ukrainian regime is shelling Nuclear plant when they said ...... "We don't know who is shelling that Nuclear Plant"
In fact, some people suggest that americans themselves are taking part in shelling the plant because ukrainians can not operate HIMARS system.

Who said that the ZNPP was hit by Himars? It's regular artillery.

Your media are filthy liars.

The advantage of having free press, unlike Russia, is that even if some media outlet lies, they get called on it. That keeps everyone more or less honest, or at least careful not to make extraordinary claims without evidence.

 

[Jayjay]

but somehow their planes and helicopters are still getting shot down regularly.

No, not regularly, in fact I have not heard such a thing for a few months now.
Of course your lying piece of shit media is still stuck in February.

Last one was less than a week ago:

https://defence-blog.com/ukraine-claims-it-shot-down-russian-ka-52-attack-helicopter/

Can't remember planes being shot down recently, but that's probably just because Russia doesn't fly in contested airspace, and rather just fires missiles hundreds of kilometers from the frontline. That just shows that Russia doesn't have air superiority. Ukrainian planes constantly fire at their positions too, from a safe distance.

 

[Jayjay]

That's the railroad on the left from early August. It's possible that it has been repaired, but it's easy enough to blow up again.

It can easily be kept repaired indefinitely.

But nothing can cross while it's being repaired. That's the whole point.

In any case, I don't think the railway is even being used. If you have evidence to the contrary, by all means show it.

 

[Jayjay]

You said that about Ukraine too.

Nope, I (more importantly Putin) never said that about Ukraine.

This is what you said in February, emphasis mine:

I have no idea how "the west" should respond, because I can't understand what - if anything - Russia figures to gain by this.
My suspicion is that there is little interest in conquering and occupying Ukraine, and the whole charade is a distractive display of nationalism, by which Putin perhaps hopes to elevate his own domestic standing, which has reportedly been suffering of late.

Projecting again? No one in Russia considers it a great idea.

Putin does not need to invade anyone. All he needs is to start North Stream 2 and wait until all contracts with Ukrainian pipelines expire.
Ukraine and US, on the other hand, realize that they need some drastic shit to prevent that.

Your posts to Elixir don't make sense to me. Where is the projecting?

He is projecting when he suggests that It's Russia. It's Ukraine and their nazies who are desperate enough to start a war and play the victim and US is perfectly fine with that plan. After all it worked in Georgia, why not try again?

Ukraine is in deep economic shit. They need a war, not Russia.
Russia is doing fine, gas prices at all time highs, oil is too doing well.
And Ukraine is about to collapse on their own. Gas retail prices jumped 5x, Power stations shutdowns because of lack coal.
Well, there is a risk of Ukrainian Trump starting a war, that's bad.

And now:

Baltic States are too small and insignificant to pay attention.
The reason they keep barking is because they are in deep shit economically and demographically (even without "help" from Russia )

Sounds like the same song to me.

 

[Jayjay]

For very mild values of "crippling". Fuel is a bit more expensive and Germans probably have to wear sweaters next winter. The real risk is that people might be stupid enough to vote in useful idiots who think appeasing Russia is going to work again, when it didn't work in 2014.

Russia will never tolerate Nazi controlled Ukraine.

I was talking about Europe and US.

Ukraine probably won't have elections until after the war, next round isn't even scheduled until 2024. If Ukraine is still free then, they're not going to give a flying fuck about what Putin wants.

 

[Elixir]

For very mild values of "crippling". Fuel is a bit more expensive and Germans probably have to wear sweaters next winter. The real risk is that people might be stupid enough to vote in useful idiots who think appeasing Russia is going to work again, when it didn't work in 2014.

Russia will never tolerate Nazi controlled Ukraine.

I was talking about Europe and US.

But they have free and fair elections, which makes them Nazis.
Only rigged sham puppet elections like Putler's are correct. Even Donald Trump knows that!