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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

It is must be humiliating for Putin to go to the NK leader asking for ammunition.

If I were NK I'd play it to the max. Lots of western whiskey and junk food Un is said to like.
 
T.G.G. Moogly said:
Putnik must be running low on options if he has to go kiss North Korean ass.
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North Korea has been supporting and supplying Russia all along, so Kim did not need to go to this meeting for that. I think that the real purpose of the meeting was to intimidate the US and other countries that support Ukraine. This is another way to play the nuclear card, because Kim is all about nuclear weapons and threatening other countries with nuclear war. By the same token, it is about trying to build this case with Ukrainians that keeps failing--that they can't stop him and that he can keep the attempted annihilation of their country up forever. Everyone knows Russia is running short of ammo and that Ukraine is being supplied by the enormous capacity of the US and Europe to manufacture weapons that Ukraine needs. This is just emphasizing that Putin has a reliable ally. Putin can supply Kim with food, fuel, and technical help, so he is only too happy to help Putin out in exchange for that. Xi's visits to Russia have the same effect--propaganda designed to bully Ukraine and the rest of the world into submission. These major powers--Russia, Iran, China, and North Korea--form a modern day set of "Axis Powers" to oppose the Western coalition of powers.
 
TV and credit cards said:
www.kyivpost.com

Sevastopol Shipyard: Ukraine Confirms Attack on Russian Black Sea Fleet, Says Ship and Sub Damaged

A source in Ukraine’s Military Intelligence told Kyiv Post the operation was a success, adding: “Today it’s important to hit and damage these objects.”
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Russia probably has a hard time with ship repairs under the best of conditions. If confirmed, hitting the yard, an amphibious assault ship, and a boat is a pretty good deal.
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Hope to get a good damage assessment soon. So far it sounds like both the sub and ship are a total loss. Can they easily be refloated and brought out of this critical infrastructure, the dry docks? Are the dry docks damaged? They've likely suffered some damage. Russia still using these dry docks in Sevastopol means they have nothing available in a safer port. So that is bad news for the maintenance of the Black Sea Fleet.
This also shows weakness in Russia's air defense of Crimea. And just recently another S-400 system protecting Crimea was taken out. I expect we might see more strikes in Crimea depending on how fast Russia can replace the mobile S-400 system.
 
All your base belong to us!

Apparently, the Russian dry dock facilities at Sevastapol have ben heavily damaged. And any ship or sub in a dry dock for massive repairs is then merely an immobile target. During WW2, Germany, after defeating France had planned to use French dry docks for Kriegsmarine projects. Until lack of success defeating the RAF made any German ship in French dry docks an easy target for the RAF Bomber Command. With dry docks, everybody knows where you are and you cannot run away.
 
During the Cold War

American: Over here almost everybody has a telephone.
Russian: In Russia everybody has 5 telephones! Russia invented the telephone!
 
steve_bank said:
During the Cold War

American: Over here almost everybody has a telephone.
Russian: In Russia everybody has 5 telephones! Russia invented the telephone!
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They never made such a claim. The Soviet Union, like other European countries, had banks of telephones in post offices, because ordinary citizens couldn't really afford the service. When I was there in 1965, we were all able to make "trunk calls" from the central post office in Moscow back home. Of course, they had people monitoring those calls, but that was expected, along with all the hotel rooms being bugged. None of us really cared. When Donald Trump was there, he probably had no idea how much scrutiny was being placed on him. Any prominent visitor was a highly prized target for recruitment, but the truth is that we all were, because the KGB didn't know whether we would end up in useful jobs in the future. In Trump's case, it is entirely believable that they supplied him with prostitutes. When I was there, I was offered women a couple of times by black marketeers seeking to purchase Western clothing, and those same black marketeers followed our group around to other cities. So they very likely were part of the surveillance.
 
www.kyivpost.com

Introducing Biden’s New Special Representative for Ukraine’s Recovery

The position has been given to Penny Pritzker – an established and influential US businesswoman with Ukrainian ancestry – who will monitor Ukraine's implementation of major reforms.
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“In this role, she will work with the Ukrainian government, the G7, the EU, international financial institutions, international partners, and one of our great assets – the American private sector – to help forge Ukraine’s future as a prosperous, secure, European democracy,” Blinken said in a statement.
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Emphasis mine.

They should be so quick with what is needed to end this war as they're obviously going to be when it's time to dole out contracts to salivating CEOs.
 
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@Mylovanov: Ukraine conducted a major special operation near occupied Yevpatoria in Crimea last night. This is different from the attack on the ships in Sevastopol. Ukraine's security service SBU says its drones fir...…
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After disabling their radar capabilities, Ukraine's navy fired two Neptune cruise missiles at the Russian S-300/400 Triumph air defense systems worth $1.2 billion. Russian sources confirm the strikes rendered the systems inoperable. 2/
This operation demonstrates Ukraine's growing ability to penetrate Russian defenses in occupied territory. It also shows that Ukraine has substantively scaled up attacks on Crimea. SBU chief says more surprises for Russians in Crimea are coming. 3/
Ukraine is steadily degrading Russia's military assets in occupied area, with a particular focus on Crimea. Strikes like this are critical to setting conditions for the liberation of Crimea. They also erode Russian forces' advantages and prevent attacks on Ukraine. 4/
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Fuck Russia...
 
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There are a couple ships loading grain in Ukrainian ports. Supposedly Ukraine is providing a humanitarian corridor for grain shipments in spite of Russia's objections. It will be a test to see if they safely pass out of Ukranian ports. What I'm reading is Russia's only way to stop these ships is to hit them with missiles, that they no longer have the ability to board them. The world would not look fondly upon such action. Let's see what happens.
With Ukraine hitting ships in dry dock in Sevastopol and possibly two other Russian ships in the Black Sea and two Russian anti-air batteries taken out in Crimea, indications are Russia is pulling ships from the Black Sea to the Sea of Azov. Their naval base in Sevastopol is no longer secure. This would be a big deal if Russia can no longer execute operations in the Black Sea. It is effectively a huge loss of territory for Russia along with the loss of use of their naval base in Sevastopol.
Further if Ukraine can export its grain it keeps their major source of income flowing and decreases Russia's insomuch as Russia will not benefit from increased prices had they been able to keep Ukrainian shipments shutdown.
Kind of nice for Ukraine to have a navy that consists mainly of kamikaze drone boats. I think this may reshape naval warfare going forward. Nations will be taking a hard look at the need for as many multibillion dollar manned ships and what is needed to protect an aircraft carrier.

So if Ukraine can reach Tokmak bringing the M14 road within range and they can keep the press on with an air campaign in Crimea, assuming Russia cannot replace their S-400 mobile anti-air batteries anytime soon, the situation in Crimea could change dramatically in the coming months. This would be a major blow to Russian pride and *Putin's grip.

www.forbes.com

In Three Days, Ukrainian Drones Ran Down Four Of The Russian Fleet’s Patrol Ships

In three days starting Sept. 13, Ukrainian unmanned surface vessels reportedly attacked at least three—and potentially four—of the Black Sea Fleet’s small combatants.
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*On power. On reality it's already hell and gone.
 
TV and credit cards said:
Kind of nice for Ukraine to have a navy that consists mainly of kamikaze drone boats. I think this may reshape naval warfare going forward.
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Won’t that kind of asset be limited to short range? So it work great for Ukraine in the Black Sea against Russia, but not so much for Brasil against Japan, or US against Russia.

Reading that article - I love the good feel of thinking Ukraine has made a big dent, but I worry that the article doesn’t back that up with evidence that any hits were made. So I’ll need to file that under “that would be great if it were true, but can’t feel that it’s true yet.”
 
TV and credit cards said:
Kind of nice for Ukraine to have a navy that consists mainly of kamikaze drone boats. I think this may reshape naval warfare going forward. Nations will be taking a hard look at the need for as many multibillion dollar manned ships and what is needed to protect an aircraft carrier.
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For territorial defensive purposes I think we have seen that a navy is not needed--but that's been the situation for some time. There is little need of a brown water navy. Robotic weapons (missiles, drones) are superior--your coastal craft are basically border patrol. However, the role of the blue water navy is unchanged. Ukraine's drones are worthless for escorting merchant ships etc.
 
I watched a show on Story Chanel on the hstory of Russian leaders gong back to Ivan The Terrible.

Not academic history but informative. It does not appear Russian culture has had any evolution in political thought as did Europe. Monarchy to limited monarchy to democratic forms.

Political brutality was always part of cultures, like Rome. But political brutality seems to have been bred into Russian culture through the end of the last Russian aristocracy through today.

Stalin and Putin would fit right into Rsuuaia's past.
 
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