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How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

Certainly explains why Ukraine was able to get in. Ukraine was able to waltz in because there was almost no defense. But the question isn't about that, it is about why they are still there.
Because Russians want them there?
You do realize the ukro-nazi daily losses in Donbass are 10x higher than in Kursk, and it is not becasue losses in Kursk are small.
 
Certainly explains why Ukraine was able to get in. Ukraine was able to waltz in because there was almost no defense. But the question isn't about that, it is about why they are still there.
Because Russians want them there?
Oh, they do. I don't recall Putin calling Zelensky and telling him they could have Kursk.
You do realize the ukro-nazi daily losses in Donbass are 10x higher than in Kursk, and it is not becasue losses in Kursk are small.
Losses in Kursk can't be that large, the Ukrainians would have already collapsed if they had sustained that. Ukraine has made access into Kursk much harder now. It doesn't provide Ukraine much, but the presumed lack of air support seems to imply the Russian air force are cowering.
 
Yeah, Kursk is of no significance and we all know how Putin feels about a foreign invader taking Russian soil. No big deal. We let them do it. That's why Ukraine is Russian soil. That's why Moldova is Russian soil. I'm surprised they aren't claiming parts of New York city.
Well it is important. It turns the world's eye back toward this war and presses the US to finally give in on expanding the use of long range weapons. It extends the range of Ukrainian drones and pushes the Russian staging areas back. And I believe it has disrupted at least one rail line from Belarus.
It's taking Russia so long because Russia cannot coordinate jack shit. I mentioned this early on in this incursion. They've shit for communications. The various troops are poorly trained and supported. They're mostly conscripts who have about as much weapons and tactics training as a navy cook.
Fact is the longer Ukraine remains in Kursk, the more dug in they will become, the more support they can bring in, and the harder it becomes to extract them. Russia will need about four times the troops to remove them.
 
We are ordinary citizens who oppose Russia and its invasion.
No, you are not. You were carefully brainwashed into thinking that.
Not really. I grew up in the post war generation. My father was in the Marines in the Pacific, An uncle crewed on B17s in Europe, another uncle was on the ground in Europe.

A war against Nazis and fascists like Mussolini and Tojo.

Yes I was conditioned by the post war culture of the day....freedom of speech, rule of law,m and human rights. When I got older and got some education and read on history I made a reasoned choice. Communism and Russia were to be opposed as antithetical to our way of life and values, and a threat. A core principle of Chinese and Russian communism was the violent overthrow of global governments forcibly replaced by communism.

I understood our own history and our moral failures.

Not brainwashed. We are all aware of the issues with our history through today.

Ukraine and Putin's need to take countries he considers Russia is a continuation of Russian starting with Stalin. It is what The Allies in WWII fought to end. It is why NATO exists.

Putin thought Ukraine would fall in week or two, and he is still trying. He is doing to Ukraine what Nazis did to Russia. The kind of war Nazis waged, genocide and forcible subjugation of clotures to servitude.

You are welcome to Putin and your shit hole of a country, just keep it and your misery to yoursees. Don't inflict it on others.
 
Meanwhile MSM is starting to prepare to eventual collapse of Nazi invasion into Kursk Oblast.
Number of publications stating that it was stupid and irresponsible.
Is that the lying western MSM you keep telling us is propaganda?

You make a lot of shitty statements but you very seldom back them up with citations. How about you try doing that at least occasionally.
 
Meanwhile MSM is starting to prepare to eventual collapse of Nazi invasion into Kursk Oblast.
Number of publications stating that it was stupid and irresponsible.

Actually, I have not found any of the ones you've been looking at, but you wouldn't make a statement like this if there weren't a lot of proof to back it up, right? Anyway, Ukraine just destroyed a third bridge, essentially leaving Russian troops cut off and relying on pontoon bridges to keep them supplied. I hope that they can use those floating bridges to evacuate safely. OTOH, Ukrainians reportedly treat Russians a lot better in captivity than Russians treat Ukrainians, so maybe things aren't as bleak as they look.

Ukraine destroys 3rd key bridge, threatening to cut off Russian troops, amid incursion, Russian military bloggers say

 
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Ukraine just destroyed a third bridge, essentially leaving Russian troops cut off and relying on pontoon bridges to keep them supplied. I hope that they can use those floating bridges to evacuate safely.
It's an interesting dynamic that Russian soldiers never know if they're going to be shot by blocking troops or by Ukrainians. The reason they might be allowed to retreat in Kursk is because the Russian situation is nothing short of a clusterfuck. No one is in charge and there are all kinds of different units involved. Once the Ruskis get their shit together we'll likely see more Russians shooting their own soldiers.
 
I didn't say you were the one doing the abuse. I'm saying you're justifying the abuser.
Who is the abuser? We have a difference of opinion. I say the Ukrainian rebellion was created and supported by US/NATO. Same for break-up of Yugoslavia.
These things happen. We did that in Sikkim and Bangladesh. Now Pakistan and China have done it in Bangladesh.
So it's projection--India has done bad things (I wasn't aware of Bangladesh, but your history in Sri Lanka is very bad) so you think others are doing bad things also.

The Ukrainian "rebellion" was kicking out Russia's puppet. The idea that Russia would react militarily to that only makes sense if you consider Ukraine to never have had the right of self determination.

You're agreeing with the abuser (Russia) when they said look what you made me do (invade Ukraine for defying their control.) Sounds exactly like a scaled-up version of domestic abuse.
 
We are ordinary citizens who oppose Russia and its invasion. Most Americans would not care how oppressive it is to live in Russia if Putin stayed within his borders.
Exactly. We knew what Russia was like before, we prepared for war but that was very explicitly a mission of deterrence.

And we did help various nations that found themselves under attack from Russia and/or China. That's not starting a war.

We don't like being the world's policeman. It's expensive, distasteful and hinders getting along with people. But we much prefer a world where there's a reasonable policeman to a world where there's none.
 
I am 153° East of Greenwich. I am further East than the Far East.
What is this "Far East" of which people speak, anyway? I live in the "West" and if I head west far enough I find lands supposedly called the "Far East"? Sounds about like Columbus and the "Indians"! :) And, yes, the sun is always on the left side of the plane when heading there.
 
You're further left than California. By a lot.
And y'all can't really tell up from down.

And you're more Easter than the Vatican.
Whoa...
:)
Tom
Well, I once filed a bug report that the software in a certain piece of hardware did not comprehend the International Date Line and didn't wrap it's distance calculations. In the vast majority of usage it wouldn't matter (I found it by accident when it had old location data) but looking at a map I found a few places it could actually be relevant. It really would have directed you to the old gag of you'll get there if you go west 24,999 miles if the other unit was on the other side of the 180th meridian.
 
Meanwhile MSM is starting to prepare to eventual collapse of Nazi invasion into Kursk Oblast.
Number of publications stating that it was stupid and irresponsible.
It probably was done to disrupt you and has been wildly successful. And it's showing how gutted Russian defenses are.
 
Meanwhile, I wonder what the locals in Kursk are thinking... regarding the relatively non-existent Russian military response.

Lulz. Probably thinking how stupid and irresponsible their goobermint is. But not gonna SAY it, no way.
Certainly is an interesting question. Is there a level of indifference regarding Moscow and they aren't surprised or is there a sense of shock that Moscow hasn't seemingly done anything or is information held so tightly they don't realize what has happened?
It's the usual story of always watering down bad news.

 
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