How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Buyers of Russian weapons have now seen them in action. Who the hell would want to buy an S-400 when it can't even defend itself?

Turkey, India, China all want S-400. Turkey are extremely happy with it. it's way better than US crap called Patriot.
This conflict has shown that.
And speaking of S-400, just today, Regime in Washington gave up on S-400 in Turkey.
They realized that Turkey would rather leave NATO than give S-400 up.

You are talking absolute bullshit!

Remember, you're comparing modern S-400s to pretty old Patriots. US weapons are tricky that way--we retain names over a wide range of evolution. A 2020-era Sidewinder is nothing like a 1970-era Sidewinder but both are still "Sidewinder". And everybody overhypes missiles, reporting ideal performance conditions vs real world performance.

And I would be surprised if any realistic comparison is actually available to the public. Washington isn't going to want to admit what it knows about the performance of the S-400, Moscow isn't going to want to admit what they know about the performance of the Patriot. Thus anybody who knows is in a position they can't talk about it.

Bullshit. We all saw that Patriot versus Kinzhal video.
All high end american weapons have one fatal flaw - price. They are not designed to provide any kind of military sense, they are designed to milk US taxpayers.

Yes, they claim that they are effective even against Kinzhal, forgetting the caveat that in order to intercept one Kinzhal with any measurable certainty you need all battery missiles ~30 which is roughly $30mil. So basically you need 2 Kinzhals to kill Patriot battery for sure. Or simply 1 kinzhal plus one cheap subsonic missile .
Then there is Oreshnik, which can not be intercepted with anything at present time.

 

[barbos]

Why Ukraine is resisting so hard:

1) From the start Russia intended some genocide:

Russia Compiled “Execution Lists” Targeting Ukrainian Teachers, Journalists, and Clergy Before the Invasion

Russia's pre-invasion strategy included plans for targeted killings of Ukrainians, as revealed by Ukraine's Defense Intelligence leader Kyrylo Budanov.

united24media.com

2) And the reality of the occupation:

Kremlin-occupied Ukraine is now a totalitarian hell

The Trump administration should remember Vladimir Putin’s dark vision

www.economist.com

Ukraine knows what you did last time and knows you intend to destroy them this time around. Their backs are to the wall, of course they fight.

According to ukro-nazi terroritsts.
I mean Budanov? Seriously? Seriously?
Do you even have a brain?
What's next citing Ben Laden or Hitler as a trusted source?

I agree the first one isn't the most solid thing but I doubt they would go to the press without having shown western sources the alleged documents.

You agree? The guy admitted assassinating journalists in Russia and you post his "opinions" on some kind of kill lists Russia has?

 

[barbos]

Explicit war crime from Russia:

Stolen Ukrainian children put up for adoption on websites funded by Putin

Landmark report identifies 314 youngsters forcibly placed in Russia’s programme of coerced adoption and fostering

www.telegraph.co.uk

That's strictly punitive to the population, it serves no military purpose whatsoever.

Complete 100% lie

 

[barbos]

Seven days later...
Well, well, well.

ISW lies. Indians do play that game where they pretend to go West when they need to drop the price.
They have been doing it for decades, nothing new.
Again I repeat. S400 has a long waiting list of customers.

 

[barbos]

What’s happening in Georgia, and why are thousands protesting? More than 200 were arrested and dozens injured during protests after Georgia’s ruling party said it would suspend talks to join the European Union.

Tens of thousands of protesters in Georgia have overtaken the capital city’s historic Rustaveli Avenue in recent days, waving the national flag, tossing fireworks and clashing with police in tense demonstrations against the ruling party’s decision to suspend talks to join the European Union.

The decision, seen by the opposition as yet another sign of the ruling party cowing to Russian influence, comes months after the Georgian Parliament passed a “foreign agent law” that critics say mirrors a Russian law used to suppress independent journalism and watchdog groups as well as target dissidents.

Not all is happiness and fairydust in Russiaville.

Bullshit as usual.
Nulandist and EU scum tried to maidan the current georgian government which is not pro-russian at all. They are pro-georgian.

 

[SLD]

Why A “Deal” With Putin Makes No Sense

Much has been made about Ukraine’s dire straits. Russia’s internal situation is no less perilous.

nationalinterest.org

Unfortunately, I think Trump will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. But Putin’s continued offensive is not sustainable. He’s now facing reversals in Syria, and is at odds with Iran on the future responses to the threats faced in the Middle East. His economy is hurting with inflation soaring, the ruble falling to record lows, and a serious brain drain.

 

[Tigers!]

Seven days later...
Well, well, well.

ISW lies. Indians do play that game where they pretend to go West when they need to drop the price.
They have been doing it for decades, nothing new.
Again I repeat. S400 has a long waiting list of customers.

So does Ozempic.
If you keep throwing away S400s in Ukraine no wonder no else can get one.

 

[barbos]

Why A “Deal” With Putin Makes No Sense

Much has been made about Ukraine’s dire straits. Russia’s internal situation is no less perilous.

nationalinterest.org

Unfortunately, I think Trump will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. But Putin’s continued offensive is not sustainable. He’s now facing reversals in Syria, and is at odds with Iran on the future responses to the threats faced in the Middle East. His economy is hurting with inflation soaring, the ruble falling to record lows, and a serious brain drain.

Complete horse-shit, paid and written by some neocon shitster.

In an interview, even the respected president of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Robert Nigmatulin, declared,....

S. Frederick Starr, you stupid dumbass, piece of shit, waster of oxygen. Nigmatulin has never been a president of Russian Academy of Sciences. he is a member of Russian Academy of Sciences. Though I had never heard about him before now.
Try lie better, you stupid piece if shit.

 

[SLD]

Why A “Deal” With Putin Makes No Sense

Much has been made about Ukraine’s dire straits. Russia’s internal situation is no less perilous.

nationalinterest.org

Unfortunately, I think Trump will snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. But Putin’s continued offensive is not sustainable. He’s now facing reversals in Syria, and is at odds with Iran on the future responses to the threats faced in the Middle East. His economy is hurting with inflation soaring, the ruble falling to record lows, and a serious brain drain.

Complete horse-shit, paid and written by some neocon shit.

Actually the neocons like Russia.

But respectfully, prove it. Is inflation not a problem in Russia? Are people quietly criticizing the war? Are people hearing from soldiers at the front by cell? Are the North Koreans really causing friendly fire incidents?

Are you really winning? If so how much longer before you finish?

 

[barbos]

Actually the neocons like Russia.

Of course they do, under their control and preferably without russians.

 

[barbos]

Is inflation not a problem in Russia?

No more than before.

Are people quietly criticizing the war?

Not really. just grumbling about this and that (youtube ban and stuff)

Are people hearing from soldiers at the front by cell?

Yes, cellphones are not banned in Russia. And soldiers regularly go back home

Are the North Koreans really causing friendly fire incidents?

There is no evidence of north koreans anywhere near Okraina.
Despite hefty bounty, ukro-wehrmacht has been unable to provide evidence.
It seems it was nothing but an excuse to let Piece of Shit Biden to strike Russian territory with ATACMS.

Are you really winning? If so how much longer before you finish?

We are clearly winning, all the evidence points to that.

 

[SLD]

Is inflation not a problem in Russia?

No more than before.

Are people quietly criticizing the war?

Not really. just grumbling about this and that (youtube ban and stuff)

Are people hearing from soldiers at the front by cell?

Yes, cellphones are not banned in Russia. And soldiers regularly go back home

Are the North Koreans really causing friendly fire incidents?

There is no evidence of north koreans anywhere near Okraina.
Despite hefty bounty, ukro-wehrmacht has been unable to provide evidence.
It seems it was nothing but an excuse to let Piece of Shit Biden to strike Russian territory with ATACMS.

Are you really winning? If so how much longer before you finish?

We are clearly winning, all the evidence points to that.

So then how much longer then? Coming up on three years and you control like 20%, or so? So another 15 years?

According to ISW, Russian forces have suffered an estimated 125,800 casualties during a period of intensified offensive operations in September, October, and November 2024 in exchange for 2,356 square kilometers of gains. You’re losing over 1500 per day. Over 45,000 per month. But your getting only 25,000 new recruits each month.

What is your estimate of Russian casualties? How many new army recruits are joining?

 

[barbos]

So then how much longer then? Coming up on three years and you control like 20%, or so? So another 15 years?

It could stop tomorrow if you stop supporting nazi terrorists in Kiev.

According to ISW, ....

Sure they would never lie,

 

[barbos]

What is your estimate of Russian casualties? How many new army recruits are joining?

My estimate is 70K russians. Okrainians are 200-300K dead, NATO is not included.
And Okraina has 200K deserters.

 

[SLD]

So then how much longer then? Coming up on three years and you control like 20%, or so? So another 15 years?

It could stop tomorrow if you stop supporting nazi terrorists in Kiev.

According to ISW, ....

Sure they would never lie,

You’re still dodging the question.

 

[Elixir]

According to ISW, Russian forces have suffered an estimated 125,800 casualties during a period of intensified offensive operations in September, October, and November 2024 in exchange for 2,356 square kilometers of gains.

Hey, that’s pretty cheap - sixty something worthless bits of Russian cannon fodder per sq K? Deal!!
Especially if it saves you having to pay to incarcerate them. Even better if you can “borrow” them from the pudgy little despot next door.
If it works out perfectly, Putler will end up owning the whole of Ukraine and will be its sole inhabitant, having killed everyone he hasn’t already gotten someone else to kill.

 

[Elixir]

Complete horse-shit, paid and written by some neocon shitster.

^ This autobiographical tableau brought to you by Projection International, an infomercial project of Despots United.

 

[Harry Bosch]

What is your estimate of Russian casualties? How many new army recruits are joining?

My estimate is 70K russians. Okrainians are 200-300K dead, NATO is not included.
And Okraina has 200K deserters.

What the heck is “Okranians”? Is this another juvenile slur?

 

[Harry Bosch]

So then how much longer then? Coming up on three years and you control like 20%, or so? So another 15 years?

It could stop tomorrow if you stop supporting nazi terrorists in Kiev.

According to ISW, ....

Sure they would never lie,

?? Every time weapon shipments are slowed down to Ukraine, Utin steps up his attacks on Ukraine and steals more land. We need to find a way to stop the war, not prolong it.

 

[barbos]

So then how much longer then? Coming up on three years and you control like 20%, or so? So another 15 years?

It could stop tomorrow if you stop supporting nazi terrorists in Kiev.

According to ISW, ....

Sure they would never lie,

You’re still dodging the question.

No I am not.
It's actually you who is dodging questions.