How should west respond to potential (likely) Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[barbos]

Trump is an idiot. He's only just started to realize that Russia doesn't want a peace deal.

Why would a side which is winning want to stop before goals were reached?
EU nazi did the same, they were against peace talks when they thought Ukraine was winning.
Well, it goes both ways. Not all russian land is liberated from ukro-nazi occupation, Even offcially russian ones are still under partial nazi occupation. And then there is land which is not yet officially russian (Odessa).

Having said that, Russia said if Ukraine agrees with the loss of these regions which are already russian and leave them then Russia would stop. It's an extremely generous offer if you ask me.
As for the EU, their plan is basically boils down to Russia's capitulation, which is ridiculous and shows who really does not want peace.

Why would any sane person trust Russia??!

Because every sane person knows Russia can be trusted.
So the real question sane person has is why would he/she trust the West?

The delusion is strong is this one.

Delusion is all yours.

 

[aupmanyav]

EU/US/NATO invaded Ukraine and overthrew their government

They did not invade, they instigated unrest. They did that in Yugoslavia also. Normal in politics, just as Pakistan instigates Muslims in India.

 

[barbos]

Russia is a bigger country than Ukraine, it has more people, it is 100% self sufficient
Russia produce way more weapons than the whole West combined.
Putin can declare full mobilization and have 5 million army tomorrow.
It would take some time to retrain but after that Russia will be able to simply overrun the remaining ukrainian army. And the West can do nothing about that.

 

[barbos]

They did not invade, they instigated unrest.

Literal invasion is difficult and expensive in "democracies" and only used sparingly (Yugoslavia, Iraq,...)
Ukraine is always prone for unrest, so they did that. Cheap (only $6bil according to Nuland) and effective. End result is the same, they have puppet regime which does (more less) what US/EU wants. And US/EU wanted war with Russia. We know that becasue all neocon think tanks were openly proposing that.

Putin underestimated hatred or rather lack of basic fairness for Russia and him personally in the west. He mistakenly thought that all these economic deals with EU and US would prevent western aggression. He was wrong. The West does not have any moral principles when it comes to money and control. If they see the opportunity to expand their power they will.

 

[zorq]

EU/US/NATO invaded Ukraine and overthrew their government

They did not invade, they instigated unrest. They did that in Yugoslavia also. Normal in politics, just as Pakistan instigates Muslims in India.

I haven't even seen evidence for "instigated unrest." But even if this is true, it doesn't justify Russia invading it's neighbor an annexing their land so even though you are playing to Russia's defense, it still doesn't excuse Russian atrocities. Which is why Barbos will reject this proposition too. He can't imagine his magical hero Putin doing something bad all by himself.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Really??? Three years and you've barely acquired 10 percent of the objective you said you would achieve in two weeks.

You don't know what the objective was. And I have never set 2 weeks time frame.

If the Russian objective was a good old fashion ass whooping; mission accomplished!

But that wasn't the real objective, was it?

 

[barbos]

Really??? Three years and you've barely acquired 10 percent of the objective you said you would achieve in two weeks.

You don't know what the objective was. And I have never set 2 weeks time frame.

If the Russian objective was a good old fashion ass whooping; mission accomplished!
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But that wasn't the real objective, was it?

Not even EU now say that Ukraine is winning.
Russian objective was to force Ukraine to comply with Minsk agreements and it was actually achieved. Problem was, US regime did not like these agreements becasue they meant that conflict would had been over. So they ordered Kiev regime to back off from signing the agreement which would have left Eastern Ukraine to Kiev. Now they lost Eastern Ukraine and about to lose more and more until they accept russian conditions.

 

[ZiprHead]

Not even EU now say that Ukraine is winning.

They sure ain't losing.

 

[Elixir]

Russians define “denazification” as demilitarize so that we can conquer you in the future. No border country would accept these terms with Russia. Trump understands this now.

The only thing I believe Trump “understands” is that Putin has played him.
He still owes Uncle Vlad his life. But Trump owing people things has never much influenced him.
He is certainly aware that Pootey’s usefulness to him personally has passed the point of diminishing returns, as his help with the 2028 elections might not be relevant.
In fact Pootey will be totally disposable if Cheato's plan to have his dictatorship confirmed before then, comes to fruition.

 

[aupmanyav]

I haven't even seen evidence for "instigated unrest."

You might not see what is evident to others. The simple fact is that Russia wanted NATO to be distant from Ukraine. Justice / injustice depends on where one sits.

They sure ain't losing.

Ain't losing means continued bombing of Kiev and other towns. That is in some sense loosing. I do not think Russia will allow complete control of Eastern portions to Ukraine.

 

[Harry Bosch]

I haven't even seen evidence for "instigated unrest."

You might not see what is evident to others. The simple fact is that Russia wanted NATO to be distant from Ukraine. Justice / injustice depends on where one sits.

They sure ain't losing.

Ain't losing means continued bombing of Kiev and other towns. That is in some sense loosing. I do not think Russia will allow complete control of Eastern portions to Ukraine.

? Ukraine dosnt control the dumbass. Russia stole it.

 

[barbos]

? Ukraine dosnt control the dumbass. Russia stole it.

Dumbass is safe in Kiev and is controlled by US.

 

[barbos]

Western media boycott of russian views was broken?

 

[aupmanyav]

Russia stole it.

Stole it, won it, Russia IMHO is not likely to return those areas to Ukraine. Cremea is as good as a Russian territory.

 

[TV and credit cards]

I haven't even seen evidence for "instigated unrest."

You might not see what is evident to others. The simple fact is that Russia wanted NATO to be distant from Ukraine. Justice / injustice depends on where one sits.

If it exists in reality, it is evident to all. We do not (should not) get to pick and choose which portions of reality we regard.

The simple fact is, ultimately we do not get to tell our neighboring countries what they can and cannot do with respect to their land and their people. We do not bomb and terrorize their citizens, steal and indoctrinate their children in an attempt to wipe out their culture. If we do, if we do, we as citizens of that offending nation do not vocally support such actions because this would make us every bit the abhorrent piece of shit our government is.

Justice sits in our constant pursuit of objectivity.

 

[barbos]

The simple fact is, ultimately we do not get to tell our neighboring countries what they can and cannot do with respect to their land and their people.

that's rich, coming from a USian.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Russia stole it.

Stole it, won it, Russia IMHO is not likely to return those areas to Ukraine. Cremea is as good as a Russian territory.

You're a little behind the news. Ukraine has said that it's willing to find common ground to make a "deal" (Trump's words). They are willing to trade land for peace. They aren't going to give up anything until Russia comes to the table. It is Russia that is dragging their feet. Trump finally understands this. Russia wants all of Ukraine. And probably great swaths of Eastern Europe. We need to increase sanctions on Russia. Dramatic increases. And countries that buy Russian oil and other exports should be banned from exporting into the US. Buying Russian oil, even at steep discounts, is feeding the Russian imperialist war machine.

 

[zorq]

So Putin states to honor the ceasefire Russia will no longer accept military support from China, Iran, or any other nation.

Technically we we have never received any support from anybody. We may have bought some inconsequential shit from them in the past. Bit we paid for it. In case if Nazi Regime in Kiev it is 100% dependent on uninterrupted support from the West on everything including salaries to government workers, not to mention weapons.
Trump must be deranged to think that resuming weapon shipments to Regime in Kiev during this proposed ceasefire can get any reaction different from laugh.

And those were North Korean tourists the Ukrainians were shooting at in Kursk.

There were no north korean "tourists" of any kind in Kursk.
Next question please.

Show

North Korean ‘suicidal attacks’ softened up Ukrainian troops for Putin’s Kursk push

As US negotiators arrive in Moscow for ceasefire talks, World affairs editor Sam Kiley looks at how Vladimir Putin’s forces fought back in Kursk

www.independent.co.uk

lies

Here we see that Barbos has called Putin a liar. If we check just a few posts back we find that Barbos suggests that Putin is weak and impotent, apparently incapable of influencing anything. Barbos truly thinks very little of this Mr. Putin. I agree with this deplorable sentiment but not for the same reasons.

Putin thanks North Korea for troop deployment and promises not to forget their sacrifices

Russian President Vladimir Putin is thanking North Korean troops for fighting Ukrainian forces in Russia’s Kursk region.

apnews.com

 

[zorq]

I haven't even seen evidence for "instigated unrest."

You might not see what is evident to others.

"Others" believe that fantastical things like gods, ghosts, and bread from the toaster blessed by the image of Jesus are "evident." That doesn't make any of it true. How can we tell the difference? Real evidence.

The simple fact is that Russia wanted NATO to be distant from Ukraine. Justice / injustice depends on where one sits.

I want a million dollar salary deposited in my bank every month. Murdering and stealing to make it so is despicable.

There is no "justice" in Russian actions. It is beyond confusing for me (or simply damning for you) that you think you can see it.

 

[barbos]

Here we see that Barbos has called Putin a liar.

No. I call Jimmy Carter a liar.