How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[steve_bank]

If Putin way back had established normal economic and political relations with Europe and dropped the self destructive Soviet anti west rhetoric Europe Russia, and the world world have been a a better place today.

The anti e west attitude and posturing did not work for the Soviets and it is not working for Putin.

Putin has taken Russia to a total war economy, and historically that leads to a crash.

 

[barbos]

 

[barbos]

If Putin way back had established normal economic and political relations with Europe and dropped the self destructive Soviet anti west rhetoric Europe Russia, and the world world have been a a better place today.

The anti e west attitude and posturing did not work for the Soviets and it is not working for Putin.

Putin has taken Russia to a total war economy, and historically that leads to a crash.

Amount of projecting is mind-blowing here.

 

[Harry Bosch]

Russia killed another 20 civilians today in massive bombardment in Kyiv. The west needs to rush additional air defense weapons to Ukraine. This war isn't going to end anytime soon. But delaying defensive shipments is killing people in Ukraine.

Yeah, such an efficiency, 70 missiles (plus hundreds of drones) per 20 "civilians"

Civilian deaths from the attack were upped to 26. 5 years in. Your guys took some land, part of a strategic city. Ukraine has taken some land also. According to what I've read, Russia has taken 37 square miles from January to July. The Ukranian drone attacks are getting better. Ukraine seems to be gaining steam. What a fucking waste of life though. Meanwhile, Ukraine has been stating over and over that they are willing to negotiate a peace. Russia says no peace (unless Ukraine surrenders). On this basis alone, the arm shipments should be dramatically increased Ukraine. Sadly, I don't think that the war will end until China gets involved.

 

[barbos]

Civilian deaths from the attack were upped to 26.

still does not compare to efficiency of Ukro-terrorists drone strikes on school in Starobelsk.
And we don't even know if these are civilians. And we don't know what killed them, could be patriot missiles randomly flying from the storage which was spectacularly destroyed.

According to what I've read,

Yes, I know you read garbage, no need to tell me that again.

The Ukranian drone attacks are getting better.

You mean 430 drones launched on Moscow City and, 30 reach Moscow Oblast and all get shot there, not reaching Moscow. That's getting better?

Ukraine seems to be gaining steam.

I think a lot of their steam was lost during latest attack on Kiev.

On this basis alone, the arm shipments should be dramatically increased Ukraine.

Dude, you don't have anything to send.

 

[barbos]

Meanwhile, the woman behind the assassination in Monaco was found dead, shot in the head. Apparently by GRU agent who apparently was free-lancing in the field of contract killing. Total contract was $180K with $8K paid to the now dead assassin woman.

 

[ZiprHead]

One more time, it's a fact that Kiev regime loaded their drones with extra fuel - literally plastic bags with fuel not connected to anything.

No, it's not a fact. It's a statement you made with absolutely zero proof provided to back it up.

How would you even know this if they all burn up whether they hit their target or not?

No, it's a fact and the evidence was provided.

You have not provided one iota of evidence this is happening. Just statements it's happening. Statements are not evidence.

 

[ZiprHead]

still does not compare to efficiency of Ukro-terrorists drone strikes on school in Starobelsk.

Russia has hit numerous schools, hospitals, civilian train platforms, etc.

Spare me your fake indignation.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Civilian deaths from the attack were upped to 26. 5 years in. Your guys took some land, part of a strategic city. Ukraine has taken some land also. According to what I've read, Russia has taken 37 square miles from January to July. The Ukranian drone attacks are getting better. Ukraine seems to be gaining steam. What a fucking waste of life though. Meanwhile, Ukraine has been stating over and over that they are willing to negotiate a peace. Russia says no peace (unless Ukraine surrenders). On this basis alone, the arm shipments should be dramatically increased Ukraine. Sadly, I don't think that the war will end until China gets involved.

Crimea is quickly becoming a liability for Russia. Every month Ukraine’s bargaining position improves. I wouldn’t be surprised if they keep the press on, assuming they still have the needed backing of the EU and whatever intel I assume the US is providing.

 

[bilby]

It still has the same capacity. None of the Oil facilities in Russia was ever put out of commision for more than a couple of weeks.

...and the long lines at gas stations and restrictions on how much people are allowed to buy were put in place for totally different reasons.

There's no shortage of gasoline or diesel; The Russian government just wants ordinary Russians to walk more, to improve their health. Or maybe they are deeply worried about global warming. Or something.

Seriously, who do you imagine you are fooling with this drivel?

 

[barbos]

...and the long lines at gas stations and restrictions on how much people are allowed to buy were put in place for totally different reasons.

I don't see any lines here. In Crimea maybe.
Again, during WW2 US was dropping thousand of tons on German infrastructure with rather little effect.
50kg of explosives cannot put oil refinery out of commission for any meaningful amount of time.

 

[barbos]

Seriously, who do you imagine you are fooling with this drivel?

It is you who is trying to fool me.

 

[barbos]

still does not compare to efficiency of Ukro-terrorists drone strikes on school in Starobelsk.

Russia has hit numerous schools, hospitals, civilian train platforms, etc.

That's a lie. Russia has not his any civilians in Ukraine.
Kiev regime has at a few occasions intentionally hit their own civilians and tried to blame Russia
It did not work though.

 

[barbos]

 

[TV and credit cards]

Russia's largest oil refinery halts processing after drone attack, sources say
So one crude distillation unit was hit accounting for 38% of total output and network connections to another accounting for 37% were damaged by fire.
Hopefully it'll get hit again before the "couple weeks" expires.
So sayeth Reuters.

 

[steve_bank]

And that make you feel good?

 

[steve_bank]

Russia is not engaged with NATO, Ukraine does get aid. I expect Russian state media says Russia is in an existential battle with NATO.

Given what we have seen I doubt Russia would be a match for NATO even without the USA. The combined air power of NATO would overwhelm Russian air forces. Russia can not compete with the economic power of NATO countries and its population.

In the initial invasion Russian troops turned tail and ran leaving behind weapons and tanks.

Ukraine gets aid but is standing on its own. Zelenskyy said in the past they do not want foreign troops.

Ukraine developed advanced drone and anti drone technology that it is exporting. Arabs are using Ukrainian anti drone technology. They mass producer drones and missiles.

The are short of Patriot missiles. Given time they would develop their own.

 

[Elixir]

Russia can not compete with the economic power of NATO countries and its population.

As Belarus is to Russia, Russia shall be to China. And in that capacity China can pretty much have their way.

 

[ZiprHead]

still does not compare to efficiency of Ukro-terrorists drone strikes on school in Starobelsk.

Russia has hit numerous schools, hospitals, civilian train platforms, etc.

That's a lie. Russia has not his any civilians in Ukraine.
Kiev regime has at a few occasions intentionally hit their own civilians and tried to blame Russia
It did not work though.

You're not fooling anyone.

 

[Bronzeage]

still does not compare to efficiency of Ukro-terrorists drone strikes on school in Starobelsk.

Russia has hit numerous schools, hospitals, civilian train platforms, etc.

That's a lie. Russia has not his any civilians in Ukraine.
Kiev regime has at a few occasions intentionally hit their own civilians and tried to blame Russia
It did not work though.

I have to admire your intestinal fortitude to make this post. I can only imagine the look on you face as you clicked "Post reply". Probably like you bit into an apple and saw the back half of a green worm.

What makes this so amusing is you have access to all the information of available to the rest of the us. You know that we know all of this is false, but you have to repeat what you've been given to say.

The most bitter irony for you is you know more about the dire situation in Ukraine than Putin does.

But take heart. The adage, "You are what you eat," applies to green worms too, so it's all apple.