How should west respond to Russian invasion of Ukraine?

[brewer]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

Did Putin request that a Trump guy be left behind as hostage to insure his return?

 

[TV and credit cards]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

Did Putin request that a Trump guy be left behind as hostage to insure his return?

It was sarcasm about Putin possibly requesting asylum at Mar-a-lago.

I haven't heard specifically why the CIA director went there. Likely an in person finger wag to tell Putin the CIA knows what he's up to, whatever that may be.
Maybe Barbos knows.

 

[brewer]

It was sarcasm about Putin possibly requesting asylum at Mar-a-lago.

I haven't heard specifically why the CIA director went there. Likely an in person finger wag to tell Putin the CIA knows what he's up to, whatever that may be.
Maybe Barbos knows.

I recognized the sarcasm but thanks. I was playing along, thought you would also but alas..........

 

[ZiprHead]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

Did Putin request that a Trump guy be left behind as hostage to insure his return?

It was sarcasm about Putin possibly requesting asylum at Mar-a-lago.

I haven't heard specifically why the CIA director went there. Likely an in person finger wag to tell Putin the CIA knows what he's up to, whatever that may be.
Maybe Barbos knows.

More likely asylum for Trump in Moscow.

 

[brewer]

More likely asylum for Trump in Moscow.

When he's done I think most of his brood will live abroad.

 

[steve_bank]

I hate to think what Trump is cooking up.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

Did Putin request that a Trump guy be left behind as hostage to insure his return?

It was sarcasm about Putin possibly requesting asylum at Mar-a-lago.

I haven't heard specifically why the CIA director went there. Likely an in person finger wag to tell Putin the CIA knows what he's up to, whatever that may be.
Maybe Barbos knows.

More likely asylum for Trump in Moscow.

I've daydreamed about that happening.

One of Trump's private jets would land in Moscow. He'd be hiding out in the plane for several days while the world watched. Eventually he'd be escorted off the plane and Putin would announce Trump's new asylum. At some point the Shitgibbon would begin doing interviews where he'd praise grocery stores in Moscow, saying they were the best grocery stores in the world and all the smartest people agree with him.

Trump supporters would call it a great victory for America and then say it was the Democrats that drove him to do it.

 

[Colonel Sanders]

More likely asylum for Trump in Moscow.

When he's done I think most of his brood will live abroad.

They'd live abroad for certain periods of time throughout the year, but they have nothing to worry about here. SCOTUS is stacked with Trump's picks; and any criminal charges would eventually land there. Meanwhile Trump and the lampreys around him would roam free and wealthy--and will continue to do so until the day they die. There will never be a reckoning for them.

 

[Harry Bosch]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

These is getting real. This is a big deal. Putin is starting to lose in Ukraine, and is getting desperate. He wants to escalate. I hear the options that they are considering is using nukes, attacking Nato, full military draft in Russia. China and India have nixed the nuclear idea. China would hopefully just take over Russia if this were to happen. The draft is happening. I hear that the CIA trip was to enforce that Nato is ready and will not tolerate an attack on one of its members. Meanwhile, Trump is fucking around in Iran; trying to bully Greenland and Canada. Our real enemy and the country that poses a direct threat to America right now is Russia.

 

[TV and credit cards]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

These is getting real. This is a big deal. Putin is starting to lose in Ukraine, and is getting desperate. He wants to escalate. I hear the options that they are considering is using nukes, attacking Nato, full military draft in Russia. China and India have nixed the nuclear idea. China would hopefully just take over Russia if this were to happen. The draft is happening. I hear that the CIA trip was to enforce that Nato is ready and will not tolerate an attack on one of its members. Meanwhile, Trump is fucking around in Iran; trying to bully Greenland and Canada. Our real enemy and the country that poses a direct threat to America right now is Russia.

Or Ratcliffe just went there to them them to hold off until after November. A sad but plausible scenario.

 

[Harry Bosch]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

These is getting real. This is a big deal. Putin is starting to lose in Ukraine, and is getting desperate. He wants to escalate. I hear the options that they are considering is using nukes, attacking Nato, full military draft in Russia. China and India have nixed the nuclear idea. China would hopefully just take over Russia if this were to happen. The draft is happening. I hear that the CIA trip was to enforce that Nato is ready and will not tolerate an attack on one of its members. Meanwhile, Trump is fucking around in Iran; trying to bully Greenland and Canada. Our real enemy and the country that poses a direct threat to America right now is Russia.

Or Ratcliffe just went there to them them to hold off until after November. A sad but plausible scenario.

We have a lot of the problems in the US! But our CIA is actually pretty good. They predicted exactly how the Russians would invade Ukraine. All the credit goes to Ukraine for fighting them off. But our intelligence allowed the Ukranians to get into the right positions in the right places that aided in fighting them.

From what I read, the Russians want to split up NATO. Some experts are predicting that Russia will try to take a small piece of land near Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania. Then they will deploy massive electronic devices in the area to mask their intentions. They'll put in massive defensive systems in that area. This will confuse nato, disguising the true targets, forcing Nato to spread it defenses out. Once they hold a piece of land, Moscow would quickly populate the area with air defenses that could shoot down NATO aircraft that skirted within range to strike Russian forces, some experts predict. From what I read, nato has been rehearsing for this scenario for years. But it's getting real.

 

[Tigers!]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

These is getting real. This is a big deal. Putin is starting to lose in Ukraine, and is getting desperate. He wants to escalate. I hear the options that they are considering is using nukes, attacking Nato, full military draft in Russia. China and India have nixed the nuclear idea. China would hopefully just take over Russia if this were to happen. The draft is happening. I hear that the CIA trip was to enforce that Nato is ready and will not tolerate an attack on one of its members. Meanwhile, Trump is fucking around in Iran; trying to bully Greenland and Canada. Our real enemy and the country that poses a direct threat to America right now is Russia.

Or Ratcliffe just went there to them them to hold off until after November. A sad but plausible scenario.

We have a lot of the problems in the US! But our CIA is actually pretty good. They predicted exactly how the Russians would invade Ukraine. All the credit goes to Ukraine for fighting them off. But our intelligence allowed the Ukranians to get into the right positions in the right places that aided in fighting them.

From what I read, the Russians want to split up NATO. Some experts are predicting that Russia will try to take a small piece of land near Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania. Then they will deploy massive electronic devices in the area to mask their intentions. They'll put in massive defensive systems in that area. This will confuse nato, disguising the true targets, forcing Nato to spread it defenses out. Once they hold a piece of land, Moscow would quickly populate the area with air defenses that could shoot down NATO aircraft that skirted within range to strike Russian forces, some experts predict. From what I read, nato has been rehearsing for this scenario for years. But it's getting real.

If that scenario were to occur then perhaps Kaliningrad should be up for grabs. Fairs, fair

 

[Bronzeage]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

These is getting real. This is a big deal. Putin is starting to lose in Ukraine, and is getting desperate. He wants to escalate. I hear the options that they are considering is using nukes, attacking Nato, full military draft in Russia. China and India have nixed the nuclear idea. China would hopefully just take over Russia if this were to happen. The draft is happening. I hear that the CIA trip was to enforce that Nato is ready and will not tolerate an attack on one of its members. Meanwhile, Trump is fucking around in Iran; trying to bully Greenland and Canada. Our real enemy and the country that poses a direct threat to America right now is Russia.

Or Ratcliffe just went there to them them to hold off until after November. A sad but plausible scenario.

We have a lot of the problems in the US! But our CIA is actually pretty good. They predicted exactly how the Russians would invade Ukraine. All the credit goes to Ukraine for fighting them off. But our intelligence allowed the Ukranians to get into the right positions in the right places that aided in fighting them.

From what I read, the Russians want to split up NATO. Some experts are predicting that Russia will try to take a small piece of land near Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania. Then they will deploy massive electronic devices in the area to mask their intentions. They'll put in massive defensive systems in that area. This will confuse nato, disguising the true targets, forcing Nato to spread it defenses out. Once they hold a piece of land, Moscow would quickly populate the area with air defenses that could shoot down NATO aircraft that skirted within range to strike Russian forces, some experts predict. From what I read, nato has been rehearsing for this scenario for years. But it's getting real.

The obvious response to any Russian threat against NATO is, you and what army.

Putin can't trust his army or Air Force, what's left of it. He would have to rely on FSB forces and that's not certain. The FSB was the spearhead of the initial invasion and there were heavy losses in men and equipment.

If the Russian army had electronic warfare that could defeat NATO, it would be in kept close to refineries and Wildberries warehouses.

 

[Elixir]

Our real enemy and the country that poses a direct threat to America right now is Russia.

Not the demented rapist fraudster in the Whitehouse?
Who can destroy America better?
Between Trump and Putin, I'm pretty sure Trump will get there first if he hasn't already. The Enablers are in too deep to turn on him now, he has his billions (on paper) so his house is as in order as ever, his health is failing... what does he have to lose by going all in on whatever the murderous fuck he wants to do?

Someone tell me - what will Stephen Miller cook up to forestall a political whoopin'? Keeping mind of the unlimited budget of course. My bet is that win or lose, it will be something to further rend the fabric of our government's viability.

There is a non-zero chance that lightning strikes will simultaneously take out Trump, Putin, Miller, Vance and a couple of corrupt SCROTUS Justices. Other than that I'd say this country is on its last legs. Such a shame.

 

[barbos]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

These is getting real. This is a big deal. Putin is starting to lose in Ukraine, and is getting desperate. He wants to escalate. I hear the options that they are considering is using nukes, attacking Nato, full military draft in Russia. China and India have nixed the nuclear idea. China would hopefully just take over Russia if this were to happen. The draft is happening. I hear that the CIA trip was to enforce that Nato is ready and will not tolerate an attack on one of its members. Meanwhile, Trump is fucking around in Iran; trying to bully Greenland and Canada. Our real enemy and the country that poses a direct threat to America right now is Russia.

You don't need C-17 for any that.
Sorry man. You are gas-lighting yourself.
CIA director went to Moscow to collect bodies of his "boys"

 

[barbos]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

These is getting real. This is a big deal. Putin is starting to lose in Ukraine, and is getting desperate. He wants to escalate. I hear the options that they are considering is using nukes, attacking Nato, full military draft in Russia. China and India have nixed the nuclear idea. China would hopefully just take over Russia if this were to happen. The draft is happening. I hear that the CIA trip was to enforce that Nato is ready and will not tolerate an attack on one of its members. Meanwhile, Trump is fucking around in Iran; trying to bully Greenland and Canada. Our real enemy and the country that poses a direct threat to America right now is Russia.

Or Ratcliffe just went there to them them to hold off until after November. A sad but plausible scenario.

We have a lot of the problems in the US! But our CIA is actually pretty good. They predicted exactly how the Russians would invade Ukraine. All the credit goes to Ukraine for fighting them off. But our intelligence allowed the Ukranians to get into the right positions in the right places that aided in fighting them.

From what I read, the Russians want to split up NATO. Some experts are predicting that Russia will try to take a small piece of land near Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania. Then they will deploy massive electronic devices in the area to mask their intentions. They'll put in massive defensive systems in that area. This will confuse nato, disguising the true targets, forcing Nato to spread it defenses out. Once they hold a piece of land, Moscow would quickly populate the area with air defenses that could shoot down NATO aircraft that skirted within range to strike Russian forces, some experts predict. From what I read, nato has been rehearsing for this scenario for years. But it's getting real.

The obvious response to any Russian threat against NATO is, you and what army.

Putin can't trust his army or Air Force, what's left of it. He would have to rely on FSB forces and that's not certain. The FSB was the spearhead of the initial invasion and there were heavy losses in men and equipment.

If the Russian army had electronic warfare that could defeat NATO, it would be in kept close to refineries and Wildberries warehouses.

You are mad, if you believe any of that.
And yes, russian electronic warfare did utterly defeat NATO's "excaliburs" and HIMARS

 

[steve_bank]

Russia has already been testing NATO. Larger swarms of dittoes and fighter jet incursions.

I am thing of the od Cod War movie The Bedford Inc dent.

The Bedford Incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

A keyed up hyper nanti communist American captain on a destroyere has a Russian submarine cornered after it violated NATO watars.

The crew is keyed up. The captain says to a reporter ' All I have to do is say 'fire'. Hearng it a crewman launches an anti sub weapon. When it hits the water the sub lances a nuclear torpedo.

A little known event. Amerces launched a scientific missile. To Russians on RADAR it looked looked a nuclear missile over the pole.

The Americans had made the international notations but it did not get passed down trough the Russian miltray

The Russian president was within minutes of launching a nuclear strike.

AI Overview
On January 25, 1995, Russian military radar operators mistook a Norwegian scientific research rocket for a U.S. nuclear missile attack, bringing the world to the brink of a retaliatory strike.What Happened During the IncidentThe Scientific Mission: Norwegian and American scientists launched a four-stage Black Brant XII sounding rocket from the Andøya Rocket Range in Norway. Its goal was to study the northern lights.The Communication Failure: While the scientists had notified several countries about the launch, the warning message never reached the Russian radar technicians on duty.The False Alarm: Russian radar detected the rocket and thought it looked like a U.S. Trident submarine-launched ballistic missile heading toward Moscow.The Close CallHigh Alert: The Russian military went into immediate crisis mode.Nuclear Briefcase Activated: Russian President Boris Yeltsin activated his nuclear briefcase (chemodanchik) for the first and only time in history. Military commanders prepared strategic nuclear forces for a potential counterattack.Stand Down: Russia had a strict 10-minute window to decide on a response. Within eight minutes, tracking showed the rocket was heading out to sea and away from Russian airspace. The system was stood down before any launch order was given.

There were other incdents.

I expect Europe is being cautious.

AI Overview
French authorities boarded and detained the oil tanker Boracay (and later similar shadow-fleet vessels like the Tagor) in late 2025 and 2026 amid suspicions of links to unidentified drone incursions near NATO countries like Denmark.

At the start some pundits said despite the crazy talk Putin was really rational and would not use nukes or escalate to WWIII.

At this point I think he is as crazy as Trump.

Putin is corned and dangerous IMO, he has no way out. No off ramp. It is do or die.

Same with Trump and Iran, Netanyahu and Gaza.

Steve, the amateur analyst ...

 

[Bronzeage]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

These is getting real. This is a big deal. Putin is starting to lose in Ukraine, and is getting desperate. He wants to escalate. I hear the options that they are considering is using nukes, attacking Nato, full military draft in Russia. China and India have nixed the nuclear idea. China would hopefully just take over Russia if this were to happen. The draft is happening. I hear that the CIA trip was to enforce that Nato is ready and will not tolerate an attack on one of its members. Meanwhile, Trump is fucking around in Iran; trying to bully Greenland and Canada. Our real enemy and the country that poses a direct threat to America right now is Russia.

Or Ratcliffe just went there to them them to hold off until after November. A sad but plausible scenario.

We have a lot of the problems in the US! But our CIA is actually pretty good. They predicted exactly how the Russians would invade Ukraine. All the credit goes to Ukraine for fighting them off. But our intelligence allowed the Ukranians to get into the right positions in the right places that aided in fighting them.

From what I read, the Russians want to split up NATO. Some experts are predicting that Russia will try to take a small piece of land near Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania. Then they will deploy massive electronic devices in the area to mask their intentions. They'll put in massive defensive systems in that area. This will confuse nato, disguising the true targets, forcing Nato to spread it defenses out. Once they hold a piece of land, Moscow would quickly populate the area with air defenses that could shoot down NATO aircraft that skirted within range to strike Russian forces, some experts predict. From what I read, nato has been rehearsing for this scenario for years. But it's getting real.

The obvious response to any Russian threat against NATO is, you and what army.

Putin can't trust his army or Air Force, what's left of it. He would have to rely on FSB forces and that's not certain. The FSB was the spearhead of the initial invasion and there were heavy losses in men and equipment.

If the Russian army had electronic warfare that could defeat NATO, it would be in kept close to refineries and Wildberries warehouses.

You are mad, if you believe any of that.
And yes, russian electronic warfare did utterly defeat NATO's "excaliburs" and HIMARS

And yet the refineries and warehouses still burn and Russians sit in their cars for days, waiting for gasoline that will never arrive.

Ukraine can bomb ships sitting in Kronstadt and there's nothing Russia can do about it. Putin is never going to do anything that might invoke NATO Article 5. He has enough problems as it is.

 

[TV and credit cards]

Whatever Putin might do, it will be clear to US intelligence and all NATO members. I don't think Russia can obscure any action from US intelligence. We've been at this too long. Likely have too many assets in place. The question will then be, will there be a unanimous vote to invoke Article 5. I doubt it. Any act of aggression by Russia will be of small enough scale to bring indecision to some of the weaker NATO members (and Trump). Then what? What is NATO without this?

If Trump and Hegseth allowed US munitions to deplete to the levels described in the news, now is the time for Putin to act. Before the US can rebuild, now. Before US elections, now. And now with Operation Epic Fuckup still unresolved.

Now is the time for unanimity with our allies, if I can still call them that. And Trump is too dumb to see it. All military, geopolitical, and economic capital is being squandered before our eyes, making the world a much more dangerous place. Trump is molding the United States in his own image, an asshole with no friends. Two and a half more years of this is irreparable.

What should be done? Greater support for Ukraine before Putin acts against a NATO member. Putin wants to test NATO resolve in an effort to get the EU to decrease support for Ukraine. Give Putin his answer now.

 

[barbos]

A US Air Force C-17 military transport plane landed in Moscow. Word is Central Intelligence Agency Director John Ratcliffe was aboard to escort Putin to Mar-a-Lago.
Also, Ukraine sends the world's first drone aircraft carrier to its Russian proving grounds.

These is getting real. This is a big deal. Putin is starting to lose in Ukraine, and is getting desperate. He wants to escalate. I hear the options that they are considering is using nukes, attacking Nato, full military draft in Russia. China and India have nixed the nuclear idea. China would hopefully just take over Russia if this were to happen. The draft is happening. I hear that the CIA trip was to enforce that Nato is ready and will not tolerate an attack on one of its members. Meanwhile, Trump is fucking around in Iran; trying to bully Greenland and Canada. Our real enemy and the country that poses a direct threat to America right now is Russia.

Or Ratcliffe just went there to them them to hold off until after November. A sad but plausible scenario.

We have a lot of the problems in the US! But our CIA is actually pretty good. They predicted exactly how the Russians would invade Ukraine. All the credit goes to Ukraine for fighting them off. But our intelligence allowed the Ukranians to get into the right positions in the right places that aided in fighting them.

From what I read, the Russians want to split up NATO. Some experts are predicting that Russia will try to take a small piece of land near Estonia, Latvia or Lithuania. Then they will deploy massive electronic devices in the area to mask their intentions. They'll put in massive defensive systems in that area. This will confuse nato, disguising the true targets, forcing Nato to spread it defenses out. Once they hold a piece of land, Moscow would quickly populate the area with air defenses that could shoot down NATO aircraft that skirted within range to strike Russian forces, some experts predict. From what I read, nato has been rehearsing for this scenario for years. But it's getting real.

The obvious response to any Russian threat against NATO is, you and what army.

Putin can't trust his army or Air Force, what's left of it. He would have to rely on FSB forces and that's not certain. The FSB was the spearhead of the initial invasion and there were heavy losses in men and equipment.

If the Russian army had electronic warfare that could defeat NATO, it would be in kept close to refineries and Wildberries warehouses.

You are mad, if you believe any of that.
And yes, russian electronic warfare did utterly defeat NATO's "excaliburs" and HIMARS

And yet the refineries and warehouses still burn and Russians sit in their cars for days, waiting for gasoline that will never arrive.

Ukraine can bomb ships sitting in Kronstadt and there's nothing Russia can do about it. Putin is never going to do anything that might invoke NATO Article 5. He has enough problems as it is.

Recently fired Defense Minister of Ukraine disagrees with you. He thinks Ukraine is losing the war.