How was the election supposedly stolen?

[Juvenal]

For example, the FBI deliberately steered Twitter not to reveal negative coverage of Biden during the election.

Say what? Please don't tell me by Biden you mean his kid.

 

[Ford]

With the passage of time we now know some of things claimed by the Trump camp have actually been proven true.

Not a single one related to "widespread voter fraud."

Lost in all of this is the "blue ribbon panel" that was formed by the Trump administration in the wake of the one election he actually (kinda) won.

Did you miss that?

The administration - once they got in power - empaneled some heavy hitters to "prove" that Hillary Clinton didn't actually beat Trump in the popular vote. Widespread fraud was alleged. Millions of illegal immigrants voting. Busloads of fraudulent voters bused to swing states. Deep State, Buttery Mails, and this was all before Hunter Biden's Laptop!

The results of this very expensive investigation by people who believed that "widespread voter fraud" had happened even before they started the investigation?



The Blue Ribbon Panel on Voter Fraud was quietly disbanded less than a year later after they found nothing. Zip. Zero. Nada. Instead of the "aha! We found the voter fraud" report leading up to the 2018 election, there wasn't anything. Jack shit. A Nothing Burger. In the wake of the 2020 election, the most ardent Trump supporters also found absolutely no evidence that it had been "stolen" from him.


But hey...this is your moment to shine. Please feel free to provide your evidence that Trump supporters were right to stick with their claims of voter fraud going back to 2016. Not "Hunter Biden's laptop proved he liked hookers and coke," but actual proof of what you insist you're "not saying," but are clearly implying you believe.

 

[Patooka]

For example, the FBI deliberately steered Twitter not to reveal negative coverage of Biden during the election. Digital evidence establishing FBI giving orders to a private organization for political promotion.

Not proven. At all. Who was the supposed FBI agent who did this? Who did they talk to who works in Twitter? Who has testified about this one way or another? When did this supposed interference take place?

The Matt Taibi/Bari Weiss "Twitter Files" is such complete horseshit even FOX news and NewsMax stopped reporting about it.

 

[RVonse]

For example, the FBI deliberately steered Twitter not to reveal negative coverage of Biden during the election. Digital evidence establishing FBI giving orders to a private organization for political promotion.

Not proven. At all. Who was the supposed FBI agent who did this? Who did they talk to who works in Twitter? Who has testified about this one way or another? When did this supposed interference take place?

The Matt Taibi/Bari Weiss "Twitter Files" is such complete horseshit even FOX news and NewsMax stopped reporting about it.

The twitter files themselves have become politicized at this point. You would think basic stuff like free speech and the bill of rights should be non partisan but it somehow isn't. But apparently (mostly due to Musk and Tabbi) Jim Jordan is heading up the weaponization of the federal government hearings here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_jh7EfqdzI&t=2026s

It will take even more time but all of your aforementioned questions should be coming out in due time.

I predict the democrats will be kicking and screaming the whole way...but this benefits everyone (them included) in the long run just like it benefits republicans. They just don't get it yet. Its not left vs right, its them vs us. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/30/opinion/jan-6-committee-report.html

 

[RVonse]

With the passage of time we now know some of things claimed by the Trump camp have actually been proven true.

Not a single one related to "widespread voter fraud."

Twitter is worldwide and the federal government intervened and directly affected a US POTUS election.

 

[Ford]

With the passage of time we now know some of things claimed by the Trump camp have actually been proven true.

Not a single one related to "widespread voter fraud."

Twitter is worldwide and the federal government intervened and directly affected a US POTUS election.

You keep grasping at those straws.

And let me repeat:

But hey...this is your moment to shine. Please feel free to provide your evidence that Trump supporters were right to stick with their claims of voter fraud going back to 2016. Not "Hunter Biden's laptop proved he liked hookers and coke," but actual proof of what you insist you're "not saying," but are clearly implying you believe.

 

[Elixir]

RV may have lost his mind. Seems to be arguing that the Trump administration intervened with Twitter on Biden’s behalf.
Next he might tell us how antifa tried to prevent Pence from certifying the 2020 results.
Welcome to right wing Crazytown.

 

[Ford]

RV may have lost his mind. Seems to be arguing that the Trump administration intervened with Twitter on Biden’s behalf.
Next he might tell us how antifa tried to prevent Pence from certifying the 2020 results.
Welcome to right wing Crazytown.

No, see...it's the FBI. The FBI is the guilty party, your honor. They're the "Deep State." Comey - that radical left liberal - was in charge of the FBI during the "Rusher Rusher Rusher" thing, which is why Trump fired him! Then there was those two FBI agents who had an affair! I mean, who cheats on their spouse? That's suss right there. Anyway, Trump fixed all of that when he was (still is?) President.

But then, something happened, because the FBI "went rogue" on January 20, 2021! Hunter Biden's laptop! Someone at the FBI (probably Agent Deep State) talked to someone at Twitter! Then the FBI unfairly raided Trump's house with guns drawn and broke into his stuff and took....totally empty folders! That they planted! It's all a giant conspiracy!

 

[Elixir]

RV may have lost his mind. Seems to be arguing that the Trump administration intervened with Twitter on Biden’s behalf.
Next he might tell us how antifa tried to prevent Pence from certifying the 2020 results.
Welcome to right wing Crazytown.

No, see...it's the FBI. The FBI is the guilty party, your honor. They're the "Deep State." Comey - that radical left liberal - was in charge of the FBI during the "Rusher Rusher Rusher" thing, which is why Trump fired him! Then there was those two FBI agents who had an affair! I mean, who cheats on their spouse? That's suss right there. Anyway, Trump fixed all of that when he was (still is?) President.

But then, something happened, because the FBI "went rogue" on January 20, 2021! Hunter Biden's laptop! Someone at the FBI (probably Agent Deep State) talked to someone at Twitter! Then the FBI unfairly raided Trump's house with guns drawn and broke into his stuff and took....totally empty folders! That they planted! It's all a giant conspiracy!

OMFG.
These clowns need warning labels. Looking inside their head can cause irreversible brain damage.
Seriously, I wonder what’s wrong with them.

 

[Ford]

RV may have lost his mind. Seems to be arguing that the Trump administration intervened with Twitter on Biden’s behalf.
Next he might tell us how antifa tried to prevent Pence from certifying the 2020 results.
Welcome to right wing Crazytown.

No, see...it's the FBI. The FBI is the guilty party, your honor. They're the "Deep State." Comey - that radical left liberal - was in charge of the FBI during the "Rusher Rusher Rusher" thing, which is why Trump fired him! Then there was those two FBI agents who had an affair! I mean, who cheats on their spouse? That's suss right there. Anyway, Trump fixed all of that when he was (still is?) President.

But then, something happened, because the FBI "went rogue" on January 20, 2021! Hunter Biden's laptop! Someone at the FBI (probably Agent Deep State) talked to someone at Twitter! Then the FBI unfairly raided Trump's house with guns drawn and broke into his stuff and took....totally empty folders! That they planted! It's all a giant conspiracy!

OMFG.
These clowns need warning labels. Looking inside their head can cause irreversible brain damage.
Seriously, I wonder what’s wrong with them.

At the moment, I'm reading a comment on a local subreddit about how "people should probably go to jail" over the handling of the 2022 election in Arizona. Because somehow a couple of competent public servants won over a couple of grandstanding Trump-supported buffoons. The commenter doesn't seem to grasp that the "people" who should "probably go to jail" are all Republicans. With a very few exceptions, the people in charge of elections here are - and have long been - conservative Republicans. As one of them pointed out, nobody had a problem with the way elections were run when the state went for the GOP candidate in every contest going back almost 2 decades. Everything was hunky-dory.

Yet when Biden won the state in 2020, suddenly the system that was just fine (and again, run by Republicans) was riddled with fraud! Hire some Ninjas! Cry havoc, and let slip the dogs of conspiracy!

What's wrong with them? Same thing that's wrong with a kid who loses a game and then throws the board off the table in a tantrum.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

But what I don't understand is Trump's arguments for this statement.

You're expecting this question to be subject to rational scrutiny. You're going to be disappointed.

Think more along the lines of a creationist. Start with an intolerable conclusion.
"Humans are a form of ape, no more special than the shit-flinging chimp in the zoo." or "Trump lost the election, fair and square, mostly because he flung too much shit and didn't do enough work."

The easiest explanation that makes (the hypothetical) YOU correct is that all the other sides of the argument are not being rational. They're cheating. Thus:
"Scientists know God is real, Man is special but deny and even hide the truth because reasons. They'd rather be right than honestly face the truth."
"Democrats know Trump actually won the election, but that's intolerable, so they cheated. They'd rather win than honestly submit to the will of the REAL voters."

So pretty much the entire presidency from Election day to the riot, Trump sat in his office collecting every more fantastic tales of fraud, chicanery, foreign interference, burning ballots, printing up fake ballots, dead people voting, and gluing two fossils together to fake a missing link.

The thing to do is NOT to try to understand the claim. Just keep demanding the claimants show ANY sort of support.

With the passage of time we now know some of things claimed by the Trump camp have actually been proven true. For example, the FBI deliberately steered Twitter not to reveal negative coverage of Biden during the election. Digital evidence establishing FBI giving orders to a private organization for political promotion. Why is it any better for the FBI to interfere in an election exactly as was blamed by Russia?

Just to be clear, I am not saying I thought the election was stolen. Its just not rational to automatically dismiss everything the Trump supporters do after evidence has been produced which verifies some of their claims.

Quit listening to Faux Noise.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

With the passage of time we now know some of things claimed by the Trump camp have actually been proven true.

Not a single one related to "widespread voter fraud."

Twitter is worldwide and the federal government intervened and directly affected a US POTUS election.

You keep grasping at those straws.

And let me repeat:

But hey...this is your moment to shine. Please feel free to provide your evidence that Trump supporters were right to stick with their claims of voter fraud going back to 2016. Not "Hunter Biden's laptop proved he liked hookers and coke," but actual proof of what you insist you're "not saying," but are clearly implying you believe.

Can we please just shut the fuck up about the laptop. Read this:

Release: Hunter Biden emails (3.6 GB)

DDoSecrets identifies signs of altered or implanted emails in the dataset distributed by Trump allies. We are mirroring the data with significant warnings

ddosecrets.substack.com

and understand it's utterly not credible unless he has a time machine.

 

[Patooka]

The twitter files themselves have become politicized at this point. You would think basic stuff like free speech and the bill of rights should be non partisan but it somehow isn't. But apparently (mostly due to Musk and Tabbi) Jim Jordan is heading up the weaponization of the federal government hearings here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_jh7EfqdzI&t=2026s

It will take even more time but all of your aforementioned questions should be coming out in due time.

I predict the democrats will be kicking and screaming the whole way...but this benefits everyone (them included) in the long run just like it benefits republicans. They just don't get it yet. Its not left vs right, its them vs us. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/30/opinion/jan-6-committee-report.html

That's a lot of words when you could have just as easily said, "When I said there was proof the FBI interfered with Twitter to influence an election result I was completely full of shit."

I'm aware of Jim Jordan's "investigation". I am also aware how much of a dishonest seditionist piece of shit he is. And don't fucking cry about "The Twitter Files" being politicized. It was people like you and other bad faith actors who politicized it. Anyone with a shred of integrity would not take that crap seriously due to it's complete absence of names, dates and places. Here is what we actually know that has come from this bullshit debacle;

-Whilst both Biden and Trump approached Twitter to take down stories, Biden was the only one who made sure it was his campaign staff to do so. Trump deliberately took White House staff with other duties to perform this task. That might be legal, but it is certainly unethical and pretty reprehensible. I know exactly what you would say if the roles were reversed.

-The only time Biden's election team approached Twitter was to ask for unsolicited dick pics of Hunter Biden be taken down. This had fuck all to do with the election, were distributed without Hunter Biden's consent and as such were illegal. In fairness, Twitter really shouldn't have been needed to be told they need to be taken down.

-However, during the election, Trump asked numerous times for tweets to be taken down, not because they were illegal like revenge porn but because they said mean things about him. The most notable example is a tweet from someone named Chrissy Teigen for calling Trump a "pussy ass bitch". Which is actual suppression of free speech and a genuine violation of the First Amendment considering as we already know - Trump used Government staff to implement this

--Twitter deliberately ignored its own guideline in the lead up and during Jan6, supporting Trump and his Q-tard followers. This is corroborated by sworn testimony from former Twitter staffer Anika Collier Navaroli. Her testimony has weight because she was the senior most content moderator in Twitter.

-Navaroli then went on to testify that Twitter bent over backwards for years accommodating Trump despite numerous violations. Having said that, there was no need to listen to a senior Twitter manager testifying to know that. The evidence has been around that Twitter favoured Trump for years.

-This didn't come from the hearings but I know it's going to be brought up in a pathetic attempt of whataboutism, Twitter did ban the Hunter Biden laptop story for a whole 24 hours. Other news outlets that didn't run with it at all were FOX news, The Wall Street Journal and NewsMax. In fact, the only media outlet that reported on it was The New York Post and even they had doubts about the veracity of the story.

So instead of "proof" of a deep state conspiracy of Twitter working with the FBI to steal the election from Trump, there is documented evidence that Twitter gave preferential treatment to Trump, over and above literally anyone else on the planet. People are willing to testify to this in front of Congress. And the cunt still couldn't help himself colouring outside the lines.

 

[Ford]

With the passage of time we now know some of things claimed by the Trump camp have actually been proven true.

Not a single one related to "widespread voter fraud."

Twitter is worldwide and the federal government intervened and directly affected a US POTUS election.

You keep grasping at those straws.

And let me repeat:

But hey...this is your moment to shine. Please feel free to provide your evidence that Trump supporters were right to stick with their claims of voter fraud going back to 2016. Not "Hunter Biden's laptop proved he liked hookers and coke," but actual proof of what you insist you're "not saying," but are clearly implying you believe.

Can we please just shut the fuck up about the laptop. Read this:

Release: Hunter Biden emails (3.6 GB)

DDoSecrets identifies signs of altered or implanted emails in the dataset distributed by Trump allies. We are mirroring the data with significant warnings

ddosecrets.substack.com

and understand it's utterly not credible unless he has a time machine.

The thing that boggles the mind is that the New York Post - a right wing rag that has been owned by Rupert Murdoch since Carter was President - has had the laptop for over 2 years and yet has not published anything other than some vague "damning" emails that may or may have not been there.

It's a bit like if some muckraking publisher had found Al Capone's accountant's ledger, but instead of publishing all the payoffs to hit men had only slowly leaked hand-written copies of entries that proved Scarface paid too much for a Chicago pizza.

If the Post really had proof that "the Big Guy" was Joe Biden, and there was rampant corruption at work, there is no way in hell they'd have slept on it. They would have released it years ago in full, established the provenance, and backed up everything with verifiable sourcing.

Contrast that with Bob Woodward - an actual journalist who knows a bit about bringing down corrupt Presidents - who released the tapes of his interviews with Trump after the former accused him of lying.

 

[blastula]

basic stuff like free speech and the bill of rights

What do either have to do with Twitter?

 

[ZiprHead]

GOP political operative sentenced to 18 months over illegal Russian contributions to Trump campaign

A GOP political operative was sentenced to 18 months in prison on Friday for his involvement in transferring illegal campaign contributions from a Russian national to former President Trump’s 2016 …

thehill.com

Nope. No connection between Trump and Russia. No, sireee.

 

[BH]

People believe Trump because he supposedly shares their values. Trump stands for all the right things so of course he's telling the truth.

 

[T.G.G. Moogly]

People believe Trump because he supposedly shares their values.

He shares their lack of values.

Did I miss the sarcasm?

 

[James Brown]

1. Donald Trump is Always Right.
2. I agree with Donald Trump.
3. Therefore, I am Always Right.

MAGA syllogism

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

1. Donald Trump is Always Right.
2. I agree with Donald Trump.
3. Therefore, I am Always Right.

MAGA syllogism

I think it is a bit worse than that.

1. Donald Trump is Always Right.
2. When Trump isn't right, that isn't what matters.

1. I don't agree with everything Donald Trump says.
2. Donald Trump is Always Right.

Some contradictions could be noted above... which is the problem with MAGA. It is worse than partisan, it is nonsensical and bitter.