Immigration Issues

[ZiprHead]

WTF???

 

[Elixir]

WTF???

Right?
I mean, it looks like ICE issues uniforms, but not shoes?

 

[Elixir]

“You have to have ID to have a child”
… sounds about right, but I’d have to check with Emily. I don’t think you can get the attending physician plus a concurring opinion from another doctor to agree to delivering a baby if the mother has no ID.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

WTF???

I thought it was a joke, but it is a troll? Assuming the source is what it says it is.

 

[laughing dog]

“You have to have ID to have a child”
… sounds about right, but I’d have to check with Emily. I don’t think you can get the attending physician plus a concurring opinion from another doctor to agree to delivering a baby if the mother has no ID.

People have children at home with no medical professionals. IDs are not required in ERs.

So, one does not need ID to give birth.

 

[bilby]

“You have to have ID to have a child”
… sounds about right, but I’d have to check with Emily. I don’t think you can get the attending physician plus a concurring opinion from another doctor to agree to delivering a baby if the mother has no ID.

People have children at home with no medical professionals. IDs are not required in ERs.

So, one does not need ID to give birth.

Though, surely, any child born in such circumstances would be an illegal, and subject to immediate detention and deportation.

 

[ZiprHead]

Pee Wee German talking shit.

 

[Jarhyn]

Pee Wee German talking shit.

Personally, I think paying arms dealers literal billions a day for shit that blows people up and wasting it all overseas on robbing people of oil and bombing brown schoolchildren has a way bigger impact.

And what determines whether someone "belongs here"?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Journalist arrested by ICE doesn’t have First Amendment rights, DOJ claims

The arrest of Estefany Rodriguez Florez joins Homeland Security’s ‘troubling pattern’ of policing free speech, advocates say

www.independent.co.uk

 

[GenesisNemesis]

Journalist arrested by ICE doesn’t have First Amendment rights, DOJ claims

The arrest of Estefany Rodriguez Florez joins Homeland Security’s ‘troubling pattern’ of policing free speech, advocates say

www.independent.co.uk

Everything Authority does is justified. You must never question Authority!!!11

 

[ZiprHead]

“You have to have ID to have a child”
… sounds about right, but I’d have to check with Emily. I don’t think you can get the attending physician plus a concurring opinion from another doctor to agree to delivering a baby if the mother has no ID.

People have children at home with no medical professionals. IDs are not required in ERs.

So, one does not need ID to give birth.

Tell your baby it cannot be born until it gets the proper ID. I'm pretty sure that will stop the process in its tracks.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

The female uterus has ways of stopping the pregnancy if the proper paperwork isn't in order.

 

[Jarhyn]

You're correct, you didn't specifically say mexican. But you absolutely are assuming racism. And your assumption is false.

My ‘assumption’ is based on my observation. Which is born out by many of the actions of ICE agents who arrest US citizens who are immigrants or who ‘look like’ immigrants to them, or have dark hair/eyes and a darker complexion. I have friends who do not leave their homes without their US passports. ICE in Minnesota arrested several Native Americans —and continued to hold them illegally in an attempt to force NA tribes to allow access to reservation land. Native Americans elsewhere in the US have been arrested with their tribal IDs confiscated or torn up, ICE insisting they were fake.

Yeah, there is a LOT of racism behind ICE. And behind the drive to round up people and incarcerate them in concentration camps.

Now explain to me how ICE behaving in unacceptable ways means that I have racist intentions.
How does someone else doing something you think is racist make me a racist?

Perhaps we just see different news accounts, different videos of incidents that have happened. My understanding is that there have been some images that were altered to obscure what actually happened re: the Renee Good and the Alex Pretti murders. As far as the Alex Pretti murder, I was catching up via text with a close friend who lives in St. Paul at the moment Pretti was shot: I knew within a couple of minutes what had happened and in perhaps 5-7 minutes I saw video—too quickly and too many videos to have been altered by AI. And I’ve read accounts from people actually present at that shooting.

The ‘official’ ICE account of the murders of Alex Pretti and Renee Good differ sharply with video recordings and eye witness accounts. Not by a few small details that skew things in favor of ICE agents but dramatically contradicting the evidence provided by those there.

Once upon a time, I assumed whatever the government told us was factual, even if it was not always the entire truth.

Then I grew up.

Maybe you’ve never been disillusioned by contradictions between what the official version is and what is later or contemporaneously available.

Maybe you’ve never have not listened to enough from various members of the current POTUS’s cabinet or the man himself to have heard some pretty disturbing and despicable comments that are frankly, racist. Maybe you never saw or heard things first yourself that you knew were motivated by animus against the accused or that animus motivated by racism or sexism. Maybe that does not leap out at you the way it does me.

Truthfully, I was very naive as a young person. I believed that only my home town or my corner of the county was racist, except, of course, for the South. The first place I lived outside of the state where I was born was just outside of Washington DC, and in fact, I worked in DC for a few years, and lived in graduate student housing which was quite international. I lived in a bubble, believing that most people were not really racist. Despite a lot of evidence at work or racism and colorism. I was an idealist. Moving back to the Midwest, I confess that, idiot that I was, I was shocked by the racial divides. Moving to another midwestern state, in a small college town, I saw and heard a lot of things that shocked me and infuriated me. I cannot afford to be naive any more. I could not afford to be naive if I wanted my children to grow up with the ability to think for themselves, to see, hear, read, research and evaluate for themselves.

Maybe your experiences have been different.

That's a very long, very well written post.

But it doesn't answer my question at all. How does ICE behaving in unacceptable ways means that I have racist intentions. How does someone else doing something you think is racist make me a racist?

I would guess that if someone believed that you fully supported ICE actions in Minnesota, in Vermont and other places ( that is, obviously racially profiling people rather than adhering to their stated purpose of collecting the murderers and rapists ( which would have been in state custody already, if convicted and sometimes, pending trial) but snatching people without regard to their actual immigration status —that would appear racist.

Approving of racist actions makes other people view one as being racist themselves.

IOW, when you have one Nazi at a table with 20 others eating together peacefully, that's a table with 20 Nazis at it.

 

[Elixir]

IOW, when you have one Nazi at a table with 20 others eating together peacefully, that's a table with 20 Nazis at it.

… unless the 20 are having braised Nazi for dinner.

 

[Toni]

You're correct, you didn't specifically say mexican. But you absolutely are assuming racism. And your assumption is false.

My ‘assumption’ is based on my observation. Which is born out by many of the actions of ICE agents who arrest US citizens who are immigrants or who ‘look like’ immigrants to them, or have dark hair/eyes and a darker complexion. I have friends who do not leave their homes without their US passports. ICE in Minnesota arrested several Native Americans —and continued to hold them illegally in an attempt to force NA tribes to allow access to reservation land. Native Americans elsewhere in the US have been arrested with their tribal IDs confiscated or torn up, ICE insisting they were fake.

Yeah, there is a LOT of racism behind ICE. And behind the drive to round up people and incarcerate them in concentration camps.

Now explain to me how ICE behaving in unacceptable ways means that I have racist intentions.
How does someone else doing something you think is racist make me a racist?

Perhaps we just see different news accounts, different videos of incidents that have happened. My understanding is that there have been some images that were altered to obscure what actually happened re: the Renee Good and the Alex Pretti murders. As far as the Alex Pretti murder, I was catching up via text with a close friend who lives in St. Paul at the moment Pretti was shot: I knew within a couple of minutes what had happened and in perhaps 5-7 minutes I saw video—too quickly and too many videos to have been altered by AI. And I’ve read accounts from people actually present at that shooting.

The ‘official’ ICE account of the murders of Alex Pretti and Renee Good differ sharply with video recordings and eye witness accounts. Not by a few small details that skew things in favor of ICE agents but dramatically contradicting the evidence provided by those there.

Once upon a time, I assumed whatever the government told us was factual, even if it was not always the entire truth.

Then I grew up.

Maybe you’ve never been disillusioned by contradictions between what the official version is and what is later or contemporaneously available.

Maybe you’ve never have not listened to enough from various members of the current POTUS’s cabinet or the man himself to have heard some pretty disturbing and despicable comments that are frankly, racist. Maybe you never saw or heard things first yourself that you knew were motivated by animus against the accused or that animus motivated by racism or sexism. Maybe that does not leap out at you the way it does me.

Truthfully, I was very naive as a young person. I believed that only my home town or my corner of the county was racist, except, of course, for the South. The first place I lived outside of the state where I was born was just outside of Washington DC, and in fact, I worked in DC for a few years, and lived in graduate student housing which was quite international. I lived in a bubble, believing that most people were not really racist. Despite a lot of evidence at work or racism and colorism. I was an idealist. Moving back to the Midwest, I confess that, idiot that I was, I was shocked by the racial divides. Moving to another midwestern state, in a small college town, I saw and heard a lot of things that shocked me and infuriated me. I cannot afford to be naive any more. I could not afford to be naive if I wanted my children to grow up with the ability to think for themselves, to see, hear, read, research and evaluate for themselves.

Maybe your experiences have been different.

That's a very long, very well written post.

But it doesn't answer my question at all. How does ICE behaving in unacceptable ways means that I have racist intentions. How does someone else doing something you think is racist make me a racist?

I would guess that if someone believed that you fully supported ICE actions in Minnesota, in Vermont and other places ( that is, obviously racially profiling people rather than adhering to their stated purpose of collecting the murderers and rapists ( which would have been in state custody already, if convicted and sometimes, pending trial) but snatching people without regard to their actual immigration status —that would appear racist.

Approving of racist actions makes other people view one as being racist themselves.

IOW, when you have one Nazi at a table with 20 others eating together peacefully, that's a table with 20 Nazis at it.

I get/remember that saying but again, I grew up in a fairly racist area with a family that was fairly quietly racist. I ate lots of meals at tables full of relatives I loved dearly but with whom I disagreed vehemently. Like some Nazis were ‘very nice people’ except for the Nazi part, most of them were very nice people—except for the racist part. To my parents credit, none of their kids became racists.

 

[unapologetic]

Well I have him on ignore as I don’t believe he posts in good faith.

Ditto.
He is only here to cause trouble.

The GOP want to force the Democrats to filibuster it.

Because MAGAots think filibusters make Democrats look bad. They don't look deep enough to see the reason for them.
Our current government is so corrupt, it NEEDS to be shut down. A budget freeze is at least peaceful.

I don’t think you can get the attending physician plus a concurring opinion from another doctor to agree to delivering a baby if the mother has no ID.

The Hypocratic oath; "Do no harm". The baby is comming weither they help or not. Doctors don't care about politics.
The only questions they ask, are about insurence.

 

[unapologetic]

ACLU ad featuring Bruce Springsteen’s Born in the U.S.A.

 

[scombrid]

The GOP at CPAC has the problem solved. Deport 100,000,000 irrespective of legal status. They say we have let in all the wrong sorts since the 1960s and they and all of their descendants need to go. Otherwise they are going to finish replacing us. I don’t think they like Mo Amer very much.

 

[crazyfingers]

The GOP at CPAC has the problem solved. Deport 100,000,000 irrespective of legal status. They say we have let in all the wrong sorts since the 1960s and they and all of their descendants need to go. Otherwise they are going to finish replacing us. I don’t think they like Mo Amer very much.

Got a link?

 

[Patooka]

The GOP at CPAC has the problem solved. Deport 100,000,000 irrespective of legal status. They say we have let in all the wrong sorts since the 1960s and they and all of their descendants need to go. Otherwise they are going to finish replacing us. I don’t think they like Mo Amer very much.

Got a link?

The cunt even posted it on his Twitter account

Texas official calls for 100 million to be deported at CPAC

Bo French, a MAGA conservative running for Texas Railroad Commissioner, called for the Trump administration to deport 100 million people.

www.newsweek.com