The term "concentration camp" being thrown around is hysterical and frankly, offensive to anyone who knows the first thing about what the Nazis did.
That's wrong on so many levels. The term "concentration camp" is entirely apt for places like 'alligator alcatraz', it describes them accurately and correctly.
And Nazis didn't invent the concentration camp; It was a British invention, used in South Africa in the Boer War, two decades before the NSDAP was even thought of.
The novelty the Nazis came up with was the extermination or death camp. Nobody is suggesting that these have been deployed in the US.
Yet.
The implication when using "concentration camp" evokes the Nazis.
Not to me. But then, I know some history.
Says the guy who thinks the British invented them. The U.S. and Spain used them decades before the Boer War, and probably many other countries before that in the days when war crimes tended to be less documented.
People throwing the word around are either intending just that and aren't referring to in any other historical context but that.
Are you sure? How do you know this?
Um, because one of the people throwing the word around was Toni, and she straight-up admitted it was intended to evoke Nazis. Godwin rules the interwebs.
And sorry, but hyperbolic liberals are using the term to describe what's happening in the U.S.
As I said, it's not hyperbole. The term "concentration camp" is entirely apt for places like 'alligator alcatraz', it describes them accurately and correctly.
Let's not get tedious and pedantic with this one.
Indeed. It's always tedious and pedantic when someone correctly points out that you are wrong, isn't it.
This really the hill you want to die on? There's always someone who can out-tedious and out-pedantic you. No, describing it accurately and correctly, egregious as it is, Alligator Alcatraz is no more a concentration camp than Andersonville was. As ld said,
"Unapologetic pointed out the US had concentration camps for Japanese Americans in WW2. The first reservations for Native Americans were concentration camps. Spain used concentration camps to detain Cubans during their war. Historically, a concentration camp is a facility with large numbers if persecuted minorities or political prisoners under harsh conditions."
People were sent to Andersonville not for being Yankees or for opposing slavery, but for making war on the Confederacy. Likewise, people are sent to Alligator Alcatraz not for being Latino or for opposing ICE, but for entering the U.S. without permission or for not leaving when their permission expired. That's why Manzanar was a concentration camp but Alligator Alcatraz is not. You may think entering without permission shouldn't be illegal, but your opinion doesn't make illegal immigrants a persecuted minority, any more than a communist's opinion that private property should be abolished makes burglars a persecuted minority and makes the LA County Jail a concentration camp.[/tedious][/pedantic]
Ordinary jails are full of prisoners who haven't had trials. That's what happens when police arrest someone -- he's detained while awaiting trial, held based on what he's accused of, not what he's convicted of. Do you feel that means an ordinary jail is a concentration camp and accused burglars are a persecuted minority? If the inmates of AA had already had their hearings then presumably they'd be freed or deported, so why the heck would a detention facility have inmates who'd had trials? (Of course no doubt a few have permission to be here but were convicted of crimes so they're being detained pending hearings over whether their permission should be revoked; but that's surely a small fraction.)
