Impeachment II thread

[DrZoidberg]

"Due to travel restrictions Americans were forced to organise a coup at home"

Saw on the Interwebs. You are welcome

 

[DrZoidberg]

I don't think an impeachment will at all reflect anything Trump said or did. It'll just be internal party politics, ie what do the Republican party members think serves the party in the long run. It's simply down to PR and how to spin things.

I don't know US public opinion well enough to judge what would be a wise move for them. But I have a hard time seeing how the Republicans will ever want to admit they let a snake into the White House. It will make the Republicans as a whole look very bad. With so few days of Trump still in office, either outcome is de facto irrelevant as far as power politics is concerned. If the Republicans do turn on him and impeach him, it will only be to distance themselves from Trump to convey the message that they're sorry it went this bad, they promise not to do it again. Which might be a good idea at this point.

Either way we're not going to see any justice or fair treatment of Trump. This is now much bigger than just him as a person.

So I have decided not to care whether or not becomes impeached. Either way it won't mean a damn thing in the long run, and will prove nothing.

 

[dannyk]

I don't think an impeachment will at all reflect anything Trump said or did. It'll just be internal party politics, ie what do the Republican party members think serves the party in the long run. It's simply down to PR and how to spin things.

I don't know US public opinion well enough to judge what would be a wise move for them. But I have a hard time seeing how the Republicans will ever want to admit they let a snake into the White House. It will make the Republicans as a whole look very bad. With so few days of Trump still in office, either outcome is de facto irrelevant as far as power politics is concerned. If the Republicans do turn on him and impeach him, it will only be to distance themselves from Trump to convey the message that they're sorry it went this bad, they promise not to do it again. Which might be a good idea at this point.

Either way we're not going to see any justice or fair treatment of Trump. This is now much bigger than just him as a person.

So I have decided not to care whether or not becomes impeached. Either way it won't mean a damn thing in the long run, and will prove nothing.

I'm starting to think he may actually get convicted.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I just don't think conviction is likely in the Senate. The GOP has shown little in the way of support for it. They would rather Trump resign than impeach him.

I don't think an impeachment will at all reflect anything Trump said or did. It'll just be internal party politics, ie what do the Republican party members think serves the party in the long run. It's simply down to PR and how to spin things.

I don't know US public opinion well enough to judge what would be a wise move for them.

Right now they don't care about public opinion, but corporate opinion... and even then, it is scattered caring.

But I have a hard time seeing how the Republicans will ever want to admit they let a snake into the White House.

It works both ways. Resist (again) and wait it out and pretend they never liked Trump (they never did), or embrace removal and sever from Trump to ensure corporate money.

They have coddled Trump for so long, I can't see them changing now.

It will make the Republicans as a whole look very bad.

They look awful, but it is apparent that partisanship among the electorate won't flop parties by more than a percent or two.

Either way we're not going to see any justice or fair treatment of Trump. This is now much bigger than just him as a person.

Wah? Trump has been putting the legitimacy of the election in doubt months before the election ever happened! He called the SoS of GA to change the election results, he did that personally! He and his lawyer were inciting a large angry crowd to go to the Capitol. The riot rally was the final straw, the last anti-democracy effort of a long list of anti-democracy acts.

So I have decided not to care whether or not becomes impeached. Either way it won't mean a damn thing in the long run, and will prove nothing.

He should have resigned. He refused to get involved with the riot, which is the most damnable of all things, which is the primary reason for considering him a threat to our national security.

 

[Jarhyn]

I just don't think conviction is likely in the Senate. The GOP has shown little in the way of support for it. They would rather Trump resign than impeach him.
Right now they don't care about public opinion, but corporate opinion... and even then, it is scattered caring.
It works both ways. Resist (again) and wait it out and pretend they never liked Trump (they never did), or embrace removal and sever from Trump to ensure corporate money.

They have coddled Trump for so long, I can't see them changing now.

It will make the Republicans as a whole look very bad.

They look awful, but it is apparent that partisanship among the electorate won't flop parties by more than a percent or two.

Either way we're not going to see any justice or fair treatment of Trump. This is now much bigger than just him as a person.

Wah? Trump has been putting the legitimacy of the election in doubt months before the election ever happened! He called the SoS of GA to change the election results, he did that personally! He and his lawyer were inciting a large angry crowd to go to the Capitol. The riot rally was the final straw, the last anti-democracy effort of a long list of anti-democracy acts.

So I have decided not to care whether or not becomes impeached. Either way it won't mean a damn thing in the long run, and will prove nothing.

He should have resigned. He refused to get involved with the riot, which is the most damnable of all things, which is the primary reason for considering him a threat to our national security.

Trump was always a lightning rod and Patsy.

He was always supposed to be as disposable as his own shitty diaper. This much has been apparent, after seeing how effective Gingriching and McConnelling up the Senate has been.

They just didn't realize they had an ugly, obese, very dumb, and highly ornery tiger by the tail.

The Senate needs Trump to be cut off at the knees, politically. This is how they do it while maintaining optics, as they have now personally been attacked.

 

[TomC]

I just don't think conviction is likely in the Senate. The GOP has shown little in the way of support for it. They would rather Trump resign than impeach him.

A week ago I'd have totally agreed with you. Today, not so much.
I strongly suspect that the seismic shifts going on behind the scenes are as dramatic as the ones going on in public.

Trump was always a RINO. But supporting him was politically expedient. That's far less true now.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Why should Trump be impeached? Let's be clear, the danger he created is real. Let's see how real!

Overnight, the perimeter surrounding the vice president’s residence, the US Naval Observatory, was fortified with a chain link fence reinforced with concrete barricades.

That level of physical security barriers around the vice president’s residence is unprecedented, with the exception of similar actions in the immediate aftermath of the Sep. 11 attacks.

Now let's be perfectly clear... this absurd level of protection hasn't been put up due to partisan divide, Antifa, socialists... but by the followers of his boss.

 

[OLDMAN]

As an outsider (and I can't stand Trump) I have to notice that it was the Dems that started the whole election fraud conspiracy meme. Remember Trump cheated by letting the Russian interfere with the election. Now Trump claims an election fraud and he's to blame for it all. What the hell is wrong with Americans for supporting these two vengeful parties? For god's sake start some new parties.

 

[Worldtraveller]

As an outsider (and I can't stand Trump) I have to notice that it was the Dems that started the whole election fraud conspiracy meme. Remember Trump cheated by letting the Russian interfere with the election. Now Trump claims an election fraud and he's to blame for it all. What the hell is wrong with Americans for supporting these two vengeful parties? For god's sake start some new parties.

Are you always this wrong?

 

[Jarhyn]

As an outsider (and I can't stand Trump) I have to notice that it was the Dems that started the whole election fraud conspiracy meme. Remember Trump cheated by letting the Russian interfere with the election. Now Trump claims an election fraud and he's to blame for it all. What the hell is wrong with Americans for supporting these two vengeful parties? For god's sake start some new parties.

Are you always this wrong?

OLDMAN yells at cloud. Story at 11.

 

[Keith&Co.]

As an outsider (and I can't stand Trump) I have to notice that it was the Dems that started the whole election fraud conspiracy meme.

Uhhhhhhh.... Bit of a difference in th at when "the Dems' meme" went to court, it came back with indictments, convictions, guilty pleas....
Not 56 dismissals of unsupported lies....

 

[TomC]

As an outsider (and I can't stand Trump) I have to notice that it was the Dems that started the whole election fraud conspiracy meme.

Uhhhhhhh.... Bit of a difference in th at when "the Dems' meme" went to court, it came back with indictments, convictions, guilty pleas....
Not 56 dismissals of unsupported lies....

Yep.
Exactly.

There definitely was interference in both elections. But only the Democrat supporters actually demonstrated who was doing it.
Tom

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

As an outsider (and I can't stand Trump) I have to notice that it was the Dems that started the whole election fraud conspiracy meme. Remember Trump cheated by letting the Russian interfere with the election.

This is Moore-Coulter, well, false equivalence at least. The Democrats didn't say Russians changed the vote. The Democrats didn't simply claim Russians were involved with the theft of Democrat emails that were shuffled to Wikileaks and then strategically leaked to the media. This was confirmed by the Trump Exec Branch launched investigation into the election and Trump's relation to said plot which includes indictments for specific people. It should also be remembered that the Trump Justice Department launched investigation started after Trump asked FBI head to drop the Michael Flynn investigation... and subsequently fired Comey, and told the Russians on camera he took care of the Russia problem, as well as telling a reporter in an interview he fired Comey because of the Russia/Flynn investigation.

The Mueller Report indicated that Trump was not vindicated in the investigation and was guilty of absurd levels of obstruction. These are all facts. All of this actually happened.

And before all of this occurs, President Obama had President-Elect Trump over to the White House three days after the election. Hillary Clinton conceded the day after the election. Some Democrats were in denial over the Trump victory, and hoped the EC would stop the madness. Which it of course didn't.

Now Trump claims an election fraud and he's to blame for it all. What the hell is wrong with Americans for supporting these two vengeful parties? For god's sake start some new parties.

Trump has claimed voter fraud, yet his lawyers didn't present this in state courts, and in some cases explicitly said they weren't claiming fraud! Which means they know the claims are bogus. His campaign lawyers are getting sued for defamation now, and right-wing media has issued substantial retractions to claims of voting machines being part of a conspiracy.

Biden won by more votes in aggregate in purple states than Trump did. Biden also won by millions of more popular votes than Clinton even did! And Trump has obstructed the transition severely.

So in conclusion, these two situations aren't remotely similar... other than both involve elections.

 

[crazyfingers]

As an outsider (and I can't stand Trump) I have to notice that it was the Dems that started the whole election fraud conspiracy meme. Remember Trump cheated by letting the Russian interfere with the election. Now Trump claims an election fraud and he's to blame for it all. What the hell is wrong with Americans for supporting these two vengeful parties? For god's sake start some new parties.

How exactly did the democrats start this? All of the actors related to the Russia investigation were Republicans within the Justice Department.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

As an outsider (and I can't stand Trump) I have to notice that it was the Dems that started the whole election fraud conspiracy meme. Remember Trump cheated by letting the Russian interfere with the election. Now Trump claims an election fraud and he's to blame for it all. What the hell is wrong with Americans for supporting these two vengeful parties? For god's sake start some new parties.

How exactly did the democrats start this? All of the actors related to the Russia investigation were Republicans within the Justice Department.

Oldman, as an outsider is likely to missed a good number of details that have been fucking with our domestic minds for four years. So it is forgivable if they thought this was partisan. But with extra info provided, I hope Oldman understands what happened in late 2016 and 2017 is in no way similar to what has happened in second half 2020 / early 2021 (so far).

Trump and the GOP have lied so much in the last 4 years it is easy to forget that:

• It was the Trump Administration appointed Rosenstein that launched the Mueller Investigation, not the Democrats
• The GOP at first applauded the appointment of Robert Mueller
• The Mueller Report was a report that did not vindicate Trump, and it was presented as an impeachment document
• The Mueller Report confirmed the Russian hacking of Democrats, even had names and indictments

Additionally, to show how messed up things are, organizations that had never endorsed candidates like the New England Journal of Medicine, were un-endorsing President Trump. Several collections of former very high level *insert position here* like Sec of States or Joint Chiefs of Staff have released statements condemning what they have seen.

This isn't partisan! From information and video coming out, it appears that some people that were incited to action, were actually part of a premeditated plan, intent on who knows what level of action against our Government. That one bullet that killed one invader might have been what saved this from becoming a catastrophe. Nothing like this occurred in 2016, despite gross reservation of a Trump Presidency, for reasons that spilled out during said presidency.

 

[barbos]

Instead of watching Doctor Who I watch impeachment in Congress. Damn your stupid fascists.
They keep calling Liz Cheney number 3 in the House. I checked ranking on wikipedia and she got elected very recently and pretty low in rankings. Why is she called #3?

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Instead of watching Doctor Who I watch impeachment in Congress. Damn your stupid fascists.

You're.

They keep calling Liz Cheney number 3 in the House. I checked ranking on wikipedia and she got elected very recently and pretty low in rankings. Why is she called #3?

Search who her Dad is.

 

[barbos]

Instead of watching Doctor Who I watch impeachment in Congress. Damn your stupid fascists.

You're.

Are you saying trumpists are daleks?

They keep calling Liz Cheney number 3 in the House. I checked ranking on wikipedia and she got elected very recently and pretty low in rankings. Why is she called #3?

Search who her Dad is.

I know who her dad is. I just don't think it matters for rankings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seniority_in_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives 259 overall.

 

[Keith&Co.]

I know who her dad is. I just don't think it matters for rankings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seniority_in_the_United_States_House_of_Representatives 259 overall.

Seniority is based on longevity, and continuity.

Rankings are power. She's number 3 based on how many strings she can pull, favors she can ask, retribution she can visit upon the infidels, and private fone numbers she holds. It is reflected in which committees she gets to sit on, whether she chairs them, and who cosigns her legislation.

Some of this she inherited, but she still has it to wield.

 

[blastula]

barbos, her ranking is not based on years, she's the GOP Conference Chair, which is third behind Leader, then Whip. The positions are chosen by Republican member votes.

Btw, I think Jimmy may be your Russian pos moderator.