Inmate beats another inmate, gets rewarded by being set free

[aeebee50]

I am just wondering how long he will stay alive.

 

[Toni]

Roof was not in general population. He is in protective custody.

It was not immediately clear how Stafford was able to get out of his cell, through a steel door, and down a flight of stairs to the shower room while Roof was there.

Under protective custody protocol, jail guards are supposed to lock all of the other inmates in their cells before allowing Roof out to shower to or to use the rec room.

At least two guards are supposed to watch Roof any time he’s out of his cell, but during the attack, one was taking a break and the other was delivering toilet paper to an inmate, Cannon said.

Sounds to me like the cops were the ones who decided that Roof needed some extra justice dispensed on his behalf and looked the other way for a couple of minutes.

Ah. That makes more sense. It's reprehensible but it makes sense for events to have happened the way they did.

I do not understand why Roof is not in a secure psychiatric facility. Seriously.

 

[KeepTalking]

His bail was set so high for a reason. He would not have been able to post it had all these idiots not given him all this money.

Not necessarily, as it is generally not necessary to pay the entire amount of the bail. You generally pay a certain percentage of the bail (10% in my experience) to a bail bondsman, who then provides the rest of the money for the bail. If they did not want the accused to be able to post bail, then they would not have set a bail amount at all. Dylan Roof likely has no bail amount set, given the crimes he has been accused of. Had Roof pressed charges against his assailant, he would have been in jail for a few more days awaiting the bond hearing for that assault, and would have had and even higher bond, but would likely have still had a bond set. Even some accused rapists and murderers have a bond set, but it is often so high that only the richest people can even afford to pay the bondsman. We are talking million dollar bonds in those cases, but some rich people are still able to pay them, and when they do they are released until trial.

No, he will not be "in for robbery and assault" until he is convicted of robbery and assault. He was in jail because he was accused of robbery and assault.

In the same sense Roof himself is not in jail for murder.

Yes, exactly. Roof is accused of murder, and is in jail awaiting trial. He will not be in prison for murder until he is convicted of murder. Please note that my position is consistent, and not dependent upon the skin color of the accused.

If the accused is the kind of person that we don't want released on bail, then we don't set a bail amount. You may notice that in many cases even accused rapists and murderers are released on bail. The bail amount is usually set based upon the likelihood of the accused to return for trial.

Many things go into setting a bail amount but the inmate getting $100,000 as a reward for beating up another inmate is not an eventuality foreseen by . Should that money not be confiscated anyway as it is basically payment for committing a crime?

No. Roof did not press charges, so there was no crime in the eyes of the law, and thus there could be no payment for a crime that did not happen.

Given that you were incorrect about the "that", yeah they probably don't care.

They don't care that he is a robber and violent criminal. After all, Michael Brown is one of their heroes, together with drug dealer Freddie Gray or robber and stabber Mario Woods.

Accused, Derec, accused. Just like Dylan Roof is accused. You see, consistency, not bigotry.

I heard Donald Trump will pay your bail if you beat up a black guy at one of his rallies. Maybe you should go test that theory out.

I have no desire to "beat up a black guy". I was merely pointing out the racist hypocrisy of these people.

Perhaps you should worry about the trash in your back yard before pointing to your neighbors.

And we all know how you love to freak out every time you see a picture of a black person that does not carry some kind of derogatory statement along with it. Both of these things have about the same relevance when it comes to assigning and posting bail.

I don't "freak out" but I do comment on when black criminals suddenly become heroes among left wing radicals.

Yes, we are aware that you only care about black criminals. Actually, denigrating black people in general. And women, can't forget about those evil women.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Another Source but not so dramatic as the Thread Starter.

http://edition.cnn.com/2016/08/04/us/south-carolina-dylann-roof-beaten/

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I was pondering this case recently and the thought occurred to me. Conservatives love the idea of people being beaten and raped in prison. It is a sort of 'revenge' aspect for people committing crimes and then having to serve time. Here is the problem, one white guy who slaughtered several blacks suffers a beating in prison, and all of a sudden violence in prison is an issue.

Now why would that become a concern at all for someone that had no issue with violence in prison? I didn't really make the connection until being on a board with some far-right whackos, where they also brought up the case.

Why would it bother them that a person in prison was beaten? A white person that slaughtered several black people.

Oh... yeah, I guess they almost have to be racists to get from Point A to Point B.

 

[laughing dog]

I was pondering this case recently and the thought occurred to me. Conservatives love the idea of people being beaten and raped in prison. It is a sort of 'revenge' aspect for people committing crimes and then having to serve time. Here is the problem, one white guy who slaughtered several blacks suffers a beating in prison, and all of a sudden violence in prison is an issue.

Now why would that become a concern at all for someone that had no issue with violence in prison? I didn't really make the connection until being on a board with some far-right whackos, where they also brought up the case.

Why would it bother them that a person in prison was beaten? A white person that slaughtered several black people.

Oh... yeah, I guess they almost have to be racists to get from Point A to Point B.

It is curious. Lots of people are fine with black "thugs" being executed or killed or beaten by the police without even an arrest. But when a white "thug" gets beaten in custody, it is a scandal.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I was pondering this case recently and the thought occurred to me. Conservatives love the idea of people being beaten and raped in prison. It is a sort of 'revenge' aspect for people committing crimes and then having to serve time. Here is the problem, one white guy who slaughtered several blacks suffers a beating in prison, and all of a sudden violence in prison is an issue.

Now why would that become a concern at all for someone that had no issue with violence in prison? I didn't really make the connection until being on a board with some far-right whackos, where they also brought up the case.

Why would it bother them that a person in prison was beaten? A white person that slaughtered several black people.

Oh... yeah, I guess they almost have to be racists to get from Point A to Point B.

It is curious. Lots of people are fine with black "thugs" being executed or killed or beaten by the police without even an arrest. But when a white "thug" gets beaten in custody, it is a scandal.

No! Not a "white 'thug'". The guy is a white mass murderer. Michael Brown may not have been a nice person, and could be considered acting "thugish", but he sure the fuck didn't slaughter several people... that took him in at church.

 

[atrib]

So, to be clear, you're saying that you are not sure that Dylann Roof was guilty ("suspect") but the black guy who allegedly beat him up is guilty. You're not fooling anyone.

I think Roof is guilty. He still doesn't deserve to be beaten up in jail. And the guy who rewarded him does not deserve to be monetarily rewarded for it.
But I am here talking to people who relish in George Zimmerman, who was found not guilty, being punched in the face. So you are not fooling anyone.

Plenty of fake outrage when white killers like Roof or Zimmerman get assaulted.

Zero outrage when a cop chokes a black man to death for allegedly selling loose cigarettes, or shoots a black man 14 times who is laying prone on the ground bleeding from previous gunshots, or shoots an unarmed black man in the back 6 times while the man is trying to run away.

And then he acts surprised that women don't want to have personal relationships with him.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

How many times has Derec complained about prison violence? It seems so odd to give a fuck all of a sudden when a mass murderer gets roughed up.

 

[atrib]

How many times has Derec complained about prison violence? It seems so odd to give a fuck all of a sudden when a mass murderer gets roughed up.

White mass murderers are entitled to full protection under the law. Black thugs should be executed immediately if they "resist arrest".

 

[Angry Floof]

Oh, the assailant is black and his victim white.
Inmate Rewarded With Release After Beating Charleston Massacre Suspect Dylann Roof

Even somebody accused of a heinous crime deserves protections of the law and assault and battery should not be rewarded. The fact that he committed another violent crime while in lockup should have resulted in bail being revoked or at the very least increased. But because he committed a politically correct crime he actually gets rewarded for it. I wonder if George Soros put up any of the bail money though.

All your fears are coming true. Get used to it, whitey. Black people and women are in charge now. It's too late to do anything about it but cry.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

How many times has Derec complained about prison violence? It seems so odd to give a fuck all of a sudden when a mass murderer gets roughed up.

Yes, it is once more why the Innocence Project is so important. http://www.innocenceproject.org/

The Innocence Project, founded in 1992 by Peter Neufeld and Barry Scheck at Cardozo School of Law, exonerates the wrongly convicted through DNA testing and reforms the criminal justice system to prevent future injustice.

 

[Derec]

White mass murderers are entitled to full protection under the law. Black thugs should be executed immediately if they "resist arrest".

Had Roof resisted arrest violently and made the arresting officer fear for his life it would have been ok to shoot him (shooting a dangerous suspect is very different than an "execution".)
On the other hand, it would be wrong for an Aryan Nation inmate to beat up Michael Brown or Sylville Smith if they had been arrested.

Can you (and other liberals on this thread) not see a difference between a cop using violence against a dangerous suspect and use of violence for revenge?

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How many times has Derec complained about prison violence?

How many times has it come up before? I certainly have never advocated it. Funny how so-called liberals are fine with prison violence in this case.

 

[laughing dog]

White mass murderers are entitled to full protection under the law. Black thugs should be executed immediately if they "resist arrest".

Had Roof resisted arrest violently and made the arresting officer fear for his life it would have been ok to shoot him (shooting a dangerous suspect is very different than an "execution".)
On the other hand, it would be wrong for an Aryan Nation inmate to beat up Michael Brown or Sylville Smith if they had been arrested.

Can you (and other liberals on this thread) not see a difference between a cop using violence against a dangerous suspect and use of violence for revenge?

Tamir Rice was not dangerous. Philandro Castile was not dangerous. Yet you (and the other kneejerk apologists for the police) defended the police. And in this case, you focus on the perp instead of the prison guards who were supposed to keep Roof protected. A truly fascinating study in hypocrisy and bigotry.

 

[Derec]

Plenty of fake outrage when white killers like Roof or Zimmerman get assaulted.

Z is hispanic for the record. And there is plenty of gloating and celebration that they got attacked by the so-called "liberals". Not a very liberal attitude that.

Zero outrage when a cop chokes a black man to death for allegedly selling loose cigarettes,

The choke-hold is different than "choking somebody to death". What happened to Garner is that his preexisting heart condition led to his death. In other words, a healthy individual wouldn't have suffered any ill consequences. That is similar to how some people have cardiac arrests from a tasing. And he wasn't just selling loosies, he was also resisting arrest. Do you think people have the right to resist arrest?

or shoots a black man 14 times who is laying prone on the ground bleeding from previous gunshots,

That officer is being prosecuted for murder as we speak. Although he is being overcharged - the first bullets were justified and there is no way it's "first degree murder" as Laquan was armed and dangerous.

or shoots an unarmed black man in the back 6 times while the man is trying to run away.

That officer is being prosecuted for murder as we speak.

And then he acts surprised that women don't want to have personal relationships with him.

Yeah. Much better to take up with thugs who shoot at people and then ask their girlfriends to intimidate the victim into recanting.

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No! Not a "white 'thug'". The guy is a white mass murderer. Michael Brown may not have been a nice person, and could be considered acting "thugish", but he sure the fuck didn't slaughter several people... that took him in at church.

What Roof did was horrible. And he is facing the ultimate penalty for it. It's not ok to let inmates beat him up and it is especially not ok for that inmate to be financially rewarded for it.

 

[Derec]

I was pondering this case recently and the thought occurred to me. Conservatives love the idea of people being beaten and raped in prison.

Perhaps. But then again, I am not a conservative.
I am also pondering that liberals abhor the idea of people being beaten and raped in prison and yet so-called liberals celebrate it in some cases and even give money to the offenders.

It is a sort of 'revenge' aspect for people committing crimes and then having to serve time.

Here is the problem, one white guy who slaughtered several blacks suffers a beating in prison, and all of a sudden violence in prison is an issue.

Violence in prison has always been an issue. What makes this case special is that the guy who beat him up got financially rewarded for doing it. And yet so-called liberals on this board find nothing wrong with that.

Why would it bother them that a person in prison was beaten? A white person that slaughtered several black people.

What does one have to do with the other? Mumia Abu Jamal murdered a cop and is beloved by far-left radicals everywhere. That does not mean that it would be right for the prison guard to let an Aryan Nation inmate into the shower when he is into the shower in order to beat up Mumia. And it would also not be right for the conservatives to raise money for that Aryan Nation inmate. Things do not magically become right if the victim is not member of a political correctness protected group.

Oh... yeah, I guess they almost have to be racists to get from Point A to Point B.

Sorry, but if you abhor prison violence in general but celebrate (and even finance it) in this case then perhaps you are the racist!

 

[Derec]

Not necessarily, as it is generally not necessary to pay the entire amount of the bail. You generally pay a certain percentage of the bail (10% in my experience) to a bail bondsman, who then provides the rest of the money for the bail.

$10k is still a substantial amount of money.

If they did not want the accused to be able to post bail, then they would not have set a bail amount at all. Dylan Roof likely has no bail amount set, given the crimes he has been accused of. Had Roof pressed charges against his assailant, he would have been in jail for a few more days awaiting the bond hearing for that assault, and would have had and even higher bond, but would likely have still had a bond set. Even some accused rapists and murderers have a bond set, but it is often so high that only the richest people can even afford to pay the bondsman. We are talking million dollar bonds in those cases, but some rich people are still able to pay them, and when they do they are released until trial.

Except a lot of time a bail is set, but set so high that the inmate is unlikely to be able to raise it.

Yes, exactly. Roof is accused of murder, and is in jail awaiting trial. He will not be in prison for murder until he is convicted of murder. Please note that my position is consistent, and not dependent upon the skin color of the accused.

So him getting beat up is wrong. And the person who beat him up getting financially rewarded is wrong as well. Why is it so hard for so-called liberals to see that?

No. Roof did not press charges, so there was no crime in the eyes of the law, and thus there could be no payment for a crime that did not happen.

If there is objective evidence (as there is in this case) the state can proceed even when the victim is not cooperative.

Accused, Derec, accused. Just like Dylan Roof is accused. You see, consistency, not bigotry.

Mario Woods has been convicted of a robbery. And he died before he could be brought to trial for stabbing. That doesn't mean he did not do it. Same with Michael Brown's robbery.

Perhaps you should worry about the trash in your back yard before pointing to your neighbors.

What trash?

Yes, we are aware that you only care about black criminals. Actually, denigrating black people in general. And women, can't forget about those evil women.

Nonsense. But black criminals are the ones being celebrated by the left. Look at support people like Mumia Abu Jamal, Assata Shakur, Michael Brown etc. get from the Left.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Z is hispanic for the record.

he's also german.

 

[RavenSky]

Had Roof resisted arrest violently and made the arresting officer fear for his life it would have been ok to shoot him (shooting a dangerous suspect is very different than an "execution".) .

Oh don't even try to pretend that is your position Derec There have been multiple cases of black men being killed by police when they were running in the opposite direction or were already on the ground or were otherwise not resisting/violent/threatening in any way whatsoever; and you STILL insist every one of them is a "good shoot".

I also noticed that none of the police officers who arrested Dylann Roof were yelling or barking conflicting orders or pointing their guns in Roof's face or threatening him or otherwise escalating a tense situation. I don't know if that is because Roof is white or if these were just normal rational police officers. I do know that the 4 officers KNEW the man they pulled over was the suspect in a mass murder, yet somehow kept their cool and didn't escalate the situation to the point of killing the suspect.

So sure... go ahead and pretend you have a rational non-racist reason for wringing your hands over Dylann Roof. We don't believe you, but if it makes you feel better about yourself...

 

[Derec]

Oh don't even try to pretend that is your position Derec There have been multiple cases of black men being killed by police when they were running in the opposite direction or were already on the ground or were otherwise not resisting/violent/threatening in any way whatsoever; and you STILL insist every one of them is a "good shoot".

Bullshit. The one "already on the ground" you probably mean Laquan McDonald. I have not said it is a "good shoot", just that the first shots, before he was "already on the ground" are probably justified because Laquan was armed with a knife and dangerous. Therefore, I think the first degree murder charge is malicious and that he should have been charged with a lesser offense such as 2nd degree murder or manslaughter.
I am not sure who you have in mind re "running in the opposite direction". I agreed with charges against the cop who killed Walter Scott even as I think that he should not have ran as there was nothing he could have gained from it. Best case scenario for him would have been some cardio exercise and additional charges being filed.

It is impossible to bring any sort of nuance to these discussions with you. Unless I agree with the left wing/#BLM position in its entirety you remember it as me disagreeing 100%.

I also noticed that none of the police officers who arrested Dylann Roof were yelling or barking conflicting orders or pointing their guns in Roof's face or threatening him or otherwise escalating a tense situation.

Do you have video of the arrest?

I don't know if that is because Roof is white or if these were just normal rational police officers. I do know that the 4 officers KNEW the man they pulled over was the suspect in a mass murder, yet somehow kept their cool and didn't escalate the situation to the point of killing the suspect.

You do realize that most arrests happen without suspects getting shot regardless of race? You do also realize that that includes suspects in murder cases? Hell, this black cop killer was arrested without being shot.
Alleged Ga. cop killer caught in sister's car trunk in Fla.
And he is hardly the only one. So let's stop this nonsense about how Root was only arrested without being shot because he is white.

So sure... go ahead and pretend you have a rational non-racist reason for wringing your hands over Dylann Roof. We don't believe you, but if it makes you feel better about yourself...

Do you agree or disagree that inmates attacking other inmates for revenge is wrong? Do you agree or disagree that raising money for inmates who attack other inmates for revenge is wrong? Yes or no please. Let's see how liberal you really are.