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Is it racist for a prostitute to reject black men?

I’m not forcing her into non consensual sex.

If she only wants to have sex with her boyfriend, that’s no different than a lawyer who only wants to exclusively represent a single client. There’s nothing forcing him to represent other people who wander into his office if he doesn’t feel like it.

There is, however, something forcing him to not represent people because they’re Mexicans. The same rules would apply to a porn actress who doesn’t want to have sex with an actor who’d been with men.
 
I’m not forcing her into non consensual sex.

If she only wants to have sex with her boyfriend, that’s no different than a lawyer who only wants to exclusively represent a single client. There’s nothing forcing him to represent other people who wander into his office if he doesn’t feel like it.

There is, however, something forcing him to not represent people because they’re Mexicans. The same rules would apply to a porn actress who doesn’t want to have sex with an actor who’d been with men.

So, let's say she does a few scenes with her boyfriend who happens to be white, young, and has a big dick.

Now that she's a professional porn star who will you force her to act with next? A black guy? An old guy? A midget? A Mexican? A woman? A gay porn actor?

What specifically are you going to apply legal force to get her to do?
 
What legal force are you going to apply to an accountant who doesn’t want to do taxes for a black guy or an old guy or a midget or a Mexican or a woman or a gay man?

It would be the same one.
 
What legal force are you going to apply to an accountant who doesn’t want to do taxes for a black guy or an old guy or a midget or a Mexican or a woman or a gay man?

It would be the same one.

Ok, so what is that?

Let's say she's now 3 months into the industry and has been working under the retrograde assumption that she is entitled to consent to the person she has sex with. The company sends her the list of available actors and she picks the one she wants to work with. She's done 100 scenes and they're all with young white men.

If you were the Czar of Progressiveness, what legal action do you decree?
 
What legal force are you going to apply to an accountant who doesn’t want to do taxes for a black guy or an old guy or a midget or a Mexican or a woman or a gay man?

It would be the same one.

Ok, so what is that?

Let's say she's now 3 months into the industry and has been working under the retrograde assumption that she is entitled to consent to the person she has sex with. The company sends her the list of available actors and she picks the one she wants to work with. She's done 100 scenes and they're all with young white men.

If you were the Czar of Progressiveness, what legal action do you decree?

The same as I’d use against an accountant who finds a way to only choose white clients.

I fail to see how anti-discrimination laws are somehow complex.
 
What about MSM (Men who have Sex with Men, especially receptive anal sex) not being allowed to donate blood?
 
What legal force are you going to apply to an accountant who doesn’t want to do taxes for a black guy or an old guy or a midget or a Mexican or a woman or a gay man?

It would be the same one.

Ok, so what is that?

Let's say she's now 3 months into the industry and has been working under the retrograde assumption that she is entitled to consent to the person she has sex with. The company sends her the list of available actors and she picks the one she wants to work with. She's done 100 scenes and they're all with young white men.

If you were the Czar of Progressiveness, what legal action do you decree?

The same as I’d use against an accountant who finds a way to only choose white clients.

I fail to see how anti-discrimination laws are somehow complex.

Imagine you have a clean slate. You are Czar of Progressiveness and charged with bringing Progressive Justice to the world.

What do you think Progressive Justice demands?
 
The same as I’d use against an accountant who finds a way to only choose white clients.

I fail to see how anti-discrimination laws are somehow complex.

Imagine you have a clean slate. You are Czar of Progressiveness and charged with bringing Progressive Justice to the world.

What do you think Progressive Justice demands?

It demands that anyone I have a conversation with is able to pass a Turing Test, so that rules this exchange out.
 
I've never hired a prostitute -- maybe some day -- but, I get get a kick out of reading their ads on backpage.com I've noticed many of them say NO black men.

Yes.

My father actually worked with American military activists who protested brothels near the Korean DMZ over this issue.
 
What about MSM (Men who have Sex with Men, especially receptive anal sex) not being allowed to donate blood?

Yes, the not wanting to perform with an actor who has done gay performances could be based on a valid issue about risk.

Not so much the refusing people because they are a certain skin colour, I think.
 
The same as I’d use against an accountant who finds a way to only choose white clients.

I fail to see how anti-discrimination laws are somehow complex.

Imagine you have a clean slate. You are Czar of Progressiveness and charged with bringing Progressive Justice to the world.

What do you think Progressive Justice demands?

It demands that anyone I have a conversation with is able to pass a Turing Test, so that rules this exchange out.

So, you think there should be laws forcing porn actors to work with people who they don't consent to working with, but you have no ability to articulate what those laws should be?

You're a lazy and apathetic sort of fascist?
 
It demands that anyone I have a conversation with is able to pass a Turing Test, so that rules this exchange out.

So, you think there should be laws forcing porn actors to work with people who they don't consent to working with, but you have no ability to articulate what those laws should be?

You're a lazy and apathetic sort of fascist?

Who are you having a conversation with and why are you quoting my posts when you're talking to that person?
 
Unless I'm missing something, demanding that a woman have sex with someone she doesn't affirmatively consent to is, well, forcible rape, correct? So, in this particular case, it comes to down to a legal battle of discrimination law versus rape law. I'd think the reasonable, common sense choice here is that rape law takes precedence over discrimination law.
 
Unless I'm missing something, demanding that a woman have sex with someone she doesn't affirmatively consent to is, well, forcible rape, correct? So, in this particular case, it comes to down to a legal battle of discrimination law versus rape law. I'd think the reasonable, common sense choice here is that rape law takes precedence over discrimination law.

Not quite. Your reasoning applies equally to all discrimination laws in all workplaces. Forcing a person to do a task against their will is slavery. Therefore, are discrimination laws that prohibit a waiter not serving black customers, a violation of anti-slavery laws?
Most would say, "no". The worker (prostitute or otherwise) is not being forced to do that job. They are completely free to quit and not do the work. Rather the law requires that if you are going to willingly perform a job for pay, then you cannot choose who you will do business with based on their race.

That doesn't mean that the OP doesn't raise an interesting issue. There are and always have been potential problems with anti-discrimination laws. They certainly teeter on the boundary of violating the liberties and personal choices of individuals for the sake of dealing with the very real problem of some groups being systemically refused access to basic goods and services.
When the task required of the individual is that they simply hand a person a product that they want to pay for, the undermining of personal choice is rather minor. When its putting another person's genitals inside your body and allowing them to spew potentially disease or pregnancy causes fluids into you then it becomes a bigger issue.

IOW, do general anti-discrimination equally apply when the job entails lethal risks to workers and the probability of that risk is objectively increased when doing business with members of the groups that discrimination laws protect? Rates of the most common STDs are 5-10 times higher among black men than white men. The reasons for this are irrelevant to the rational safety concerns of prostitutes. The reality is that "serving" black customers puts those in the sex industry at 5-10 times the risk for serious and sometimes deadly, work-related "injuries".

Note that some might try to claim the same is true for all jobs because of violent crime rates. However, that doesn't fly since STDs are directly tied to having sex, while being violently attacked is not directly tied to doing most jobs. In fact, refusal to serve someone breakfast is more likely to get you hurt than serving them, no matter their race.
 
Tom Sawyer, who always uses the passive voice to disguise from himself what he is saying, thinks saying "I take this job" is affirmative consent.

It is. They can quit that job at any time. They would not be forced to have sex with anyone. Thus, it isn't rape. Just like a diner forced to serve blacks is not being forced into slavery. Rather, they are prohibited from having sex for money (or serving breakfast for money), if they choose not to provide that service to people based on race. See my above post for more and discussion of how this issue does still highlight the balance of concerns and rights that is inherent to discrimination laws.
 
It demands that anyone I have a conversation with is able to pass a Turing Test, so that rules this exchange out.

So, you think there should be laws forcing porn actors to work with people who they don't consent to working with, but you have no ability to articulate what those laws should be?

You're a lazy and apathetic sort of fascist?

Who are you having a conversation with and why are you quoting my posts when you're talking to that person?

I'm doing this weird thing where I ask you to explain your position.

I guess you can't handle that.
 
Tom Sawyer, who always uses the passive voice to disguise from himself what he is saying, thinks saying "I take this job" is affirmative consent.

It is. They can quit that job at any time. They would not be forced to have sex with anyone. Thus, it isn't rape. Just like a diner forced to serve blacks is not being forced into slavery. Rather, they are prohibited from having sex for money (or serving breakfast for money), if they choose not to provide that service to people based on race. See my above post for more and discussion of how this issue does still highlight the balance of concerns and rights that is inherent to discrimination laws.

A porn star does not have "a job". They don't employ their co stars. They are essentially independent contractors.

They work when they want to with whom they want to at prices for which they are willing to work.

Same is true for regular actors.

Are we going to start forcing Brad Pitt to take roles where his love interest is old black gay men if he does too many films with young hot white women?
 
Tom Sawyer, who always uses the passive voice to disguise from himself what he is saying, thinks saying "I take this job" is affirmative consent.

It is. They can quit that job at any time. They would not be forced to have sex with anyone. Thus, it isn't rape. Just like a diner forced to serve blacks is not being forced into slavery. Rather, they are prohibited from having sex for money (or serving breakfast for money), if they choose not to provide that service to people based on race. See my above post for more and discussion of how this issue does still highlight the balance of concerns and rights that is inherent to discrimination laws.

I argue the free market side of many issues. When the need for government to intervene in the employer-employee relationship comes up, I have been known to say that employees who are dissatisfied with one employer should seek another employer.

That is apparently a horrible thing to say, because simply going to get another job is apparently one of the most difficult things a person can do. My position, that employees have some agency, is considered anti-progressive and therefore horrible.

Now that we are discussing work when the job includes sex, I am being told that in the name of anti-discrimination, that the worker can simply quit their job at any time.

In the case of August Ames, she wouldn't have sex with men who had sex with men. She would have sex with men who had not had sex with men. She would have sex with women. She just wouldn't have sex with men who had done gay porn. That was horribly anti-progressive apparently, and the progressive position is that she should simply find another job.

Her position was so horribly anti-progressive that the right thing to do was harass her into suicide.
 
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