January 6 Hearings Live

[southernhybrid]

The process of investigating the attempted Coup is so glacial. These people will have moved on from old age before being held legally liable for their attempted Coup. Fake Electors told to keep things secret.

“I must ask for your complete discretion in this process,” wrote Robert Sinners, the campaign’s election operations director for Georgia, the day before the 16 Republicans gathered at the Georgia Capitol to sign certificates declaring themselves duly elected. “Your duties are imperative to ensure the end result — a win in Georgia for President Trump — but will be hampered unless we have complete secrecy and discretion.”

The Dec. 13, 2020, email went on to instruct the electors to tell security guards at the building that they had an appointment with one of two state senators. “Please, at no point should you mention anything to do with Presidential Electors or speak to the media,” Sinners continued in bold.

The trouble we have here is that there were pieces scattered during the post Election period. But it seems so terribly unlikely that several states managed to create fake electors (who were committing crimes being being fake electors) and the House and Senate having people that had roles in questioning the veracity of the election in those states. This was a coordinated attempt to overthrow a Federal Election. It is unprecedented and scandalous... and yet... it feels like an asterisk. Granted, generally red states are in charge of investigating red hats that were trying to overthrow the election.

The conspiracy goes from the POTUS to local electors. The scope is insane large and while Trump was very public with his disgust, even committing election crimes in demanding State Legislatures and SoS's change election results, there was a more coordinated secret effort to provide the required infrastructure to force the Presidential election to a House Vote.

I'm glad you posted that link. I read that article this morning and was considering adding it to this thread. It's hard to believe that so many people won't accept the truth. At least when it was discovered that Nixon was doing illegal things, both parties were disgusted and wanted him out. I was in my 20s when that scandal occurred, but it seems like a minor thing compared to what Trump and company have tried to get away with, by literally trying to create a coup. Nixon at least had the decency to resign, while Trump continues to tell the "big lie" more than two years after the 2020 election, and the last time I checked, a majority of Republicans still believe the election was stolen.

Not to change the subject, but did your read the long piece written by Woodward and Bernstein?

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Thursday the January 6 Live Hearings begin. 8 EDT. C-Span, YouTube and other cable networks. Finally, it's showtime. This is going to be interesting. I suspect this will take over the news cycles. And we will hear a lot of GOP caterwauling. From the people who gave us "Her E-Mails!", and "Benghazi!".

Popcorn time!

 

[Elixir]

Thursday the January 6 Live Hearings begin. 8 EDT. C-Span, YouTube and other cable networks. Finally, it's showtime. This is going to be interesting. I suspect this will take over the news cycles. And we will hear a lot of GOP caterwauling. From the people who gave us "Her E-Mails!", and "Benghazi!".

Popcorn time!

Faux, OAN, NewsMax et al are promising a riveting exposé in a hastily assembled raft of counter programming bullshit they’re calling “the truth”.
I doubt that more than a handful of the people who need to see the actual hearings will ever be bothered by any of it. This “corrupt committee’s kangaroo circus” isn’t going to impact them in the least.
I expect more ignoring than caterwauling.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Oh yeah! Inflation! Gas prices! Hunter's laptop! And we will have lots of garbage from far right politicians. Of Course we will then have the grand juries. The trials in the future. Then on to the.GOP vote theft efforts. Loose the hounds!

 

[ZiprHead]

Dammit. Just coming here to start this thread. A day late and a dollar short. The story of my life.

 

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[Jimmy Higgins]

Gawd damn! The Jan 6th investigation committee is waterboarding witnesses?! Man, that is hardcore!

 

[lpetrich]

'Dangerous precedent': Jan. 6 committee trains its sights on false pro-Trump electors - POLITICO - "GOP officials in five states illegitimately claimed to be qualified to declare Donald Trump the winner in 2020. And Trump allies were openly involved."

I've seen some rumors about what the Jan 6 Committee plans to do next. Like present some very strong evidence that Trump wanted a coup.

Also, Jan. 6 committee privately divided on abolishing Electoral College

Behind the scenes: Nobody on the House select committee is more committed than Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) to pursuing Trump for inciting the attack on the Capitol. But she flatly opposes some of the more sweeping election law reforms backed by several committee Democrats.

• The broadest differences are between Cheney and Rep. Jamie Raskin (D-Md.), according to three sources familiar with the committee's private discussions. The two have a warm personal relationship but fundamentally disagree on what needs to be done to reform America's election laws.
• Raskin, a former constitutional law scholar, is by far the committee's most outspoken member during its private discussions about voting rights.
• "Liz is much more conservative, as far as what kinds of changes she wants to see done," said a source with direct knowledge of their conversations.

Disagreements like these are why the committee has put off making legislative recommendations.

JR wants to abolish the Electoral College because it involves some procedures that are vulnerable to sabotage, like the choosing of electors and the counting of votes. Sabotage like what some of Trump's supporters planned for 2021 January 6.

 

[blastula]

Cheney has her line, but it's not before voter suppression and electoral gerrymandering. She still backs those advantages for the right.

 

[ZiprHead]

JR wants to abolish the Electoral College because it involves some procedures that are vulnerable to sabotage, like the choosing of electors and the counting of votes. Sabotage like what some of Trump's supporters planned for 2021 January 6.

I want the electoral college removed because it's undemocratic.

 

[ZiprHead]

Judge sends another trove of Eastman emails to Jan. 6 committee

The ruling is another victory for the Jan. 6 select committee.

www.politico.com

A federal judge Tuesday ordered John Eastman — the attorney who developed former President Donald Trump’s last-ditch strategy to overturn the election — to disclose a batch of 159 sensitive documents to the Jan. 6 select committee, including another email that the judge said presented evidence of a likely crime.

In a 26-page ruling, U.S. District Court Judge David Carter also ordered Eastman to provide 10 documents about meetings Eastman held with a secretive pro-Trump group that included a “high-profile” leader discussing strategies for overturning the 2020 election.

The 10 documents in question related to three December meetings held by the group. “Five documents include the agenda for a meeting on December 9, 2020,” the California-based judge indicated. “The agenda included a section entitled ‘GROUND GAME following Nov 4 Election Results,’ during which a sitting Member of Congress discussed a ‘[p]lan to challenge the electors in the House of Representatives.’” Other meetings of the group took place on Dec. 8 and Dec. 16, Carter noted.

 

[laughing dog]

With every new revelation, it gets harder fir me to suppress the urge to have these traitors lined up against a wall and shot.

 

[Ford]

And a funny thing happened with those earlier investigations...

The "we will never stop until there's justice for the victims of Benghazi" folks in Congress quietly wrapped up their investigations into that (and her buttery emails) within a couple short weeks after Clinton conceded the 2016 election. Fox "News" oddly enough did not cover the committee's "welp, nothing to see here, move along" conclusion. As the chants of "lock her up" faded into the background noise, neither the Republicans in Congress nor Fox "News" pursued "justice for the victims of Benghazi" even a little bit.

So the fact that Fox has no intention of reporting on the January 6th committee is about as surprising as it was this morning when I woke up and noticed gravity was still working.

 

[ZiprHead]

Fox News won't show the hearing but Fox News personalities will be front and center part of the hearings.

 

[lpetrich]

So the EC has two problems.

Short of abolishing it, the Jan. 6 Committee is also considering reforming the Electoral Count Act, which governs the counting of votes in it. They would be considering reforms to make it more difficult to win by gaming the system.

Also in the rumor mill, Fox News is considering not covering the committee's hearings, unlike every other US news network. Instead, its usual programming will run, like Tucker Carlson's show.

 

[ZiprHead]

Also in the rumor mill, Fox News is considering not covering the committee's hearings, unlike every other US news network. Instead, its usual programming will run, like Tucker Carlson's show.

Don't worry. While Fox News won't be covering the hearings, their pundits will definitely be involved.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I was at a restaurant last night, and they had lots of big screen TVs, most playing sports stuff, but they had two with Fox Business. I had no idea how awful that channel was. It looked like Newsmax.

 

[blastula]

Jan. 6: The Story So Far - Key Moments From Before the Attack on the Capitol to Now - The New York Times

Like 9/11, Jan. 6 needs no year attached to convey its dark place in American history. On that Wednesday afternoon, 64 days after Election Day 2020, a mob of supporters of President Donald J. Trump assaulted the Capitol, resulting in what Vice President Mike Pence had refused to do: disrupting the ceremonial certification of the electoral votes confirming that Joseph R. Biden Jr. would be the next president of the United States.

But Jan. 6 has also become a somewhat misleading shorthand for something bigger: a monthslong campaign by Mr. Trump and his allies to subvert American democracy and cling to power by reversing an election.

Over the past year and a half, much has come to light about how they went about it, embracing one tactic after another in a way that led a federal judge to conclude that elements of it likely amounted to a criminal conspiracy.

The story so far has been pieced together through the prosecutions of rioters, the early stages of a broader Justice Department investigation, the work of the House select committee examining the attack and its origins, and the work of journalists.

At its heart is a grievance-filled, insecure president, unable to face the fact of his defeat, working with a cabal of loyalists in and out of government to pursue an evolving plan that unfolded in successive chapters, each in effect taking aim at a pillar of democracy.

There was a failed legal strategy that clogged the courts with fantastical conspiracy theories. It was followed by a plot to twist the Justice Department into backing Mr. Trump’s repeated lie that the election had been rigged and stolen from him, and consideration of proposals that he direct the military or the Homeland Security Department to seize voting machines.

Those were followed by a strong-armed attempt to subvert the Electoral College process and bludgeon Mr. Pence into taking part, all leading to the violent effort to keep Congress from formally affirming Mr. Trump’s loss on Jan. 6.

Taken as a whole, the narrative that has emerged — elements of which the House select committee on Jan. 6 will begin setting out on Thursday evening in the first of a series of hearings — is as chilling as it is audacious.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

What is remarkable is how the Trump Admin tried to make this happen, conspired to coordinate with State Legislatures and SoS's privately and in public, fake elector slates were assembled, and over half the GOP in the House conspired on January 6th to overthrow a legitimate election...

...and it is a ho hum from the most of the remaining GOP. Heck, it is a ho hum from most of America!