January 6 Hearings Live

[ZiprHead]

House Republican publishes compilation of threats from Trump fans

"We're going to get you and Liz Cheney"

www.salon.com

Edited to add that it's definitely NSFW.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I honestly do not understand why everyone is obsessing over the wheel-grabbing part and not the insurrection against the government part.

Some people live for melodrama.

Some of it is drama llama. Some of it is indicating how desperately he wanted to lead his revolution.

 

[Jarhyn]

I honestly do not understand why everyone is obsessing over the wheel-grabbing part and not the insurrection against the government part.

Some people live for melodrama.

Some of it is drama llama. Some of it is indicating how desperately he wanted to lead his revolution.

I also suspect he had some idea that without his presence and his orders, there would be nobody telling his sychphants to actually "do it!" Once they got there.

The result of his absence was that when they got there they didn't have the resolve to actually be violent.

That is one thing about group violence: without the core sociopath, it usually just fizzles if it doesn't have a mind of its own

And the fact is, the Jan6 mob was pretty mindless

 

[Copernicus]

I honestly do not understand why everyone is obsessing over the wheel-grabbing part and not the insurrection against the government part.

Some people live for melodrama.

Some of it is drama llama. Some of it is indicating how desperately he wanted to lead his revolution.

I also suspect he had some idea that without his presence and his orders, there would be nobody telling his sychphants to actually "do it!" Once they got there.

The result of his absence was that when they got there they didn't have the resolve to actually be violent.

That is one thing about group violence: without the core sociopath, it usually just fizzles if it doesn't have a mind of its own

And the fact is, the Jan6 mob was pretty mindless

Not totally. The Proud Boys and Oath Keepers worked together to implement a plan. They spearheaded the physical attacks on police and forcible entry. The plan was to lead the mob inside in order to disrupt the official counting of electoral votes. It has been portrayed by Republicans and their propaganda mills as a spontaneous mixture of legitimate protest and unplanned outbursts by some in the crowd. I do agree with you that Trump saw himself as a necessary catalyst. He feared that it might not come off as planned if he didn't keep his promise to show up with them.

White House Counsel Pat Cipollone had long been deeply opposed to Trump's planned visit to the Capitol when the mob of supporters were to arrive after the rally. What the Jan. 6 committee seems to have exposed is the efforts that he, Meadows, and others went through to keep Trump from adding that stupid act to the disruption because of their knowledge of criminal liability for trying to block an official act of Congress. They knew that Trump needed plausible deniability. Trump knew that they were stringing him along, and that made him all that more determined to show up. He was furious when they ended up getting their way, but he let them all stew while he refused to do anything to calm the violence. I don't think he expected Congress to reconvene for the official count after they had all been chased away.

Now, finally, Pat Cipollone has agreed to testify before the committee, albeit in closed session. Excerpts of his testimony are likely to be aired in the next public hearing.

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

Dems = Repubs = Party propagandists, not truthseekers


Why won't Dems allow Bannon to testify live? instead of in secret session only? What are they hiding?

Why are they still excluding testimony from the Secret Service agents who contradict the testimony of Hutchinson?

Obviously the Dems only want propaganda, not the truth. They are providing a drama production for the public, performed according to a script which they are writing, specially crafted to promote only the Blue Narrative.

In a year from now, when Trumpist Repubs dominate the House, they will hold hearings to accuse Dems of crimes, and they will impeach Biden. The Party in power will always produce its propaganda, Dems = Repubs, Red truth and Blue truth equally artificial and created by the Party in power.

Why can't we have real hearings, where the purpose is to find the truth, instead of only Repub or Dem propaganda presentations? What ever happened to

"Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts!" ????​

 

[Gospel]

Dems = Repubs = Party propagandists, not truthseekers


Why won't Dems allow Bannon to testify live? instead of in secret session only? What are they hiding?

Why are they still excluding testimony from the Secret Service agents who contradict the testimony of Hutchinson?

Obviously the Dems only want propaganda, not the truth. They are providing a drama production for the public, performed according to a script which they are writing, specially crafted to promote only the Blue Narrative.

In a year from now, when Trumpist Repubs dominate the House, they will hold hearings to accuse Dems of crimes, and they will impeach Biden. The Party in power will always produce its propaganda, Dems = Repubs, Red truth and Blue truth equally artificial and created by the Party in power.

Why can't we have real hearings, where the purpose is to find the truth, instead of only Repub or Dem propaganda presentations? What ever happened to

"Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts!" ????​

So you have nothing to say about the actual evidence provided but rather focus on what amounts to an optional side quest in the main story.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

Tomorrow is Tuesday! Time for another exciting January 6 Committee televised hearing. I have a nice bottle of cheap rum to help make this a nice experience.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Dems = Repubs = Party propagandists, not truthseekers

Of course there is a small bit of truth to this in that both sides might use some propaganda from time to time, but that both sides screaming only goes so far. One side is a bunch of fascist gun-toting lunatics that tried a coup d'etat and failed and there are a lot of links between that side's upper management and the coup attempt. So it has to be investigated. The other side, i.e. the Dems didn't do it and the Republicans have defectors like Cheney who joined the committee.

Why won't Dems allow Bannon to testify live? instead of in secret session only? What are they hiding?

Your inference is based on predisposed suspicion. Perhaps instead Bannon has used a national security argument to get out of testifying and so the Committee's (which is not only Dems) best bet to get him to answer the most questions is through a non-public hearing. But more likely the reason it is "secret" is that everyone else also first does a deposition in private and following that there is a public hearing. Didn't you know that?

Why are they still excluding testimony from the Secret Service agents who contradict the testimony of Hutchinson?

When you have a top-down conspiracy a lot of people will follow orders and a few, like a single whistleblower will not. The focus ought to always be on the whistleblower. Everyone is aware there are counter claims and the committee will get to the bottom of it.

Obviously the Dems only want propaganda, not the truth.

You mean the 7 Dems and 2 Republicans. As shown above, your arguments are based on predisposed inclinations because of your both-sides attitudes.

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

Dems = Repubs = Party propagandists, not truthseekers


Why won't Dems allow Bannon to testify live? instead of in secret session only? What are they hiding?

Why are they still excluding testimony from the Secret Service agents who contradict the testimony of Hutchinson?

Obviously the Dems only want propaganda, not the truth. They are providing a drama production for the public, performed according to a script which they are writing, specially crafted to promote only the Blue Narrative.

In a year from now, when Trumpist Repubs dominate the House, they will hold hearings to accuse Dems of crimes, and they will impeach Biden. The Party in power will always produce its propaganda, Dems = Repubs, Red truth and Blue truth equally artificial and created by the Party in power.

Why can't we have real hearings, where the purpose is to find the truth, instead of only Repub or Dem propaganda presentations? What ever happened to

"Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts!" ????​

So you have nothing to say about the actual evidence provided but rather focus on what amounts to an optional side quest in the main story.

And you have nothing to say about the Dems' suppressing the truth by not allowing the Secret Service agents to testify or Bannon to testify live as he has offered to do.

Why do Dems insist on making their partisan propaganda the "main story" in place of fact-finding? Why must they relegate the truth to the status of "optional side quest" instead of "the main story"?

 

[Ford]

Dems = Repubs = Party propagandists, not truthseekers


Why won't Dems allow Bannon to testify live? instead of in secret session only? What are they hiding?

Why are they still excluding testimony from the Secret Service agents who contradict the testimony of Hutchinson?

Obviously the Dems only want propaganda, not the truth. They are providing a drama production for the public, performed according to a script which they are writing, specially crafted to promote only the Blue Narrative.

In a year from now, when Trumpist Repubs dominate the House, they will hold hearings to accuse Dems of crimes, and they will impeach Biden. The Party in power will always produce its propaganda, Dems = Repubs, Red truth and Blue truth equally artificial and created by the Party in power.

Why can't we have real hearings, where the purpose is to find the truth, instead of only Repub or Dem propaganda presentations? What ever happened to

"Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts!" ????​

So you have nothing to say about the actual evidence provided but rather focus on what amounts to an optional side quest in the main story.

The reason the Hutchinson testimony is so damning is because she was an up and coming star in Trump World. Small town girl from a small town college deeply committed to conservative politics while at the same time driven and talented enough to go from intern to special assistant to the White House Chief of Staff in a few short years, and on a first-name basis with powerful GOP Congressmen.

When the guano impacted the air conditioner and she was summoned to testify, she was threatened by someone from within that world, switched lawyers, and came clean. Plus she brought the receipts. That's what our lumpy commenter seems to have missed. This is not a case of Democrats and liberals pointing fingers from outside the White House. This is people in the room playing CYA and saying "that's the guy who was planning to overthrow everything..."


At every turn, the question of "what are they hiding?" has been answered with "this person who was in the room and willing to testify." Bannon is trying to set the conditions of his testimony because he's frankly scared shitless. Again...the lead prosecutor (if you will) in this process is not some feckless Democrat. In fact I'd hazard a guess that Lumpen can't name the committee co-chair without looking it up. No, this is Liz "I have no further fucks to give" Cheney bringing the heat. Bannon is right to be terrified. What they're doing to him is what they've done for all the other "blockbuster" witnesses. Give them the opportunity to testify in private, lock in their story, corroborate it, and then - when they are good and truly cornered - have them testify live and in public.

I have no doubt that the Secret Service agents are being given the business as we speak.

 

[Elixir]

Lumpy, why is it so hard for you to understand why an entity that is chartered to find the truth about 1/6 is disinclined to surrender the floor of their hearings to someone dedicated to lying about 1/6?

 

[Patooka]

And you have nothing to say about the Dems' suppressing the truth by not allowing the Secret Service agents to testify or Bannon to testify live as he has offered to do.

What are you talking about?

Why do Dems insist on making their partisan propaganda the "main story" in place of fact-finding? Why must they relegate the truth to the status of "optional side quest" instead of "the main story"?

Again, what the fuck are you talking about?

 

[Gospel]

Dems = Repubs = Party propagandists, not truthseekers


Why won't Dems allow Bannon to testify live? instead of in secret session only? What are they hiding?

Why are they still excluding testimony from the Secret Service agents who contradict the testimony of Hutchinson?

Obviously the Dems only want propaganda, not the truth. They are providing a drama production for the public, performed according to a script which they are writing, specially crafted to promote only the Blue Narrative.

In a year from now, when Trumpist Repubs dominate the House, they will hold hearings to accuse Dems of crimes, and they will impeach Biden. The Party in power will always produce its propaganda, Dems = Repubs, Red truth and Blue truth equally artificial and created by the Party in power.

Why can't we have real hearings, where the purpose is to find the truth, instead of only Repub or Dem propaganda presentations? What ever happened to

"Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts!" ????​

So you have nothing to say about the actual evidence provided but rather focus on what amounts to an optional side quest in the main story.

And you have nothing to say about the Dems' suppressing the truth by not allowing the Secret Service agents to testify or Bannon to testify live as he has offered to do.

Why do Dems insist on making their partisan propaganda the "main story" in place of fact-finding? Why must they relegate the truth to the status of "optional side quest" instead of "the main story"?

The side quest is whether or not Trump threw a fit in his soccer mom SUV. Do you really think everything hinges on that? Come on man!

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

Dems = Repubs = Party propagandists, not truthseekers

Of course there is a small bit of truth to this in that both sides might use some propaganda from time to time, but that both sides screaming only goes so far. One side is a bunch of fascist gun-toting lunatics that tried a coup d'etat and failed and there are a lot of links between that side's upper management and the coup attempt. So it has to be investigated. The other side, i.e. the Dems didn't do it and the Republicans have defectors like Cheney who joined the committee.

This doesn't answer why Bannon should not be allowed to testify live, or why the 2 Secret Service agents should not testify. Unless the reason is that the Dems are afraid that the facts emerging from such testimony would undermine their Blue Narrative.

Why won't Dems allow Bannon to testify live? instead of in secret session only? What are they hiding?

Your inference is based on predisposed suspicion.

translation: They will eventually have him testify live.

OK, we'll see. If they don't, it's only because they're afraid he'll say something contrary to their script.

Perhaps instead Bannon has used a national security argument to get out of testifying and so the Committee's (which is not only Dems) best bet to get him to answer the most questions is through a non-public hearing.

Again, that means they'll have him testify publicly, after first getting those answers they can only get in private session. Let's wait and see. To prove they are not just propagandizing, they must eventually have him testify publicly if he offers to do so. And they cannot control his answers in advance but must let him say what he knows regardless of their script.

But more likely the reason it is "secret" is that everyone else also first does a deposition in private and following that there is a public hearing. Didn't you know that?

Again, you're predicting that they'll let him testify publicly. After the private deposition. We'll see.

Why are they still excluding testimony from the Secret Service agents who contradict the testimony of Hutchinson?

When you have a top-down conspiracy a lot of people will follow orders and a few, like a single whistleblower will not. The focus ought to always be on the whistleblower. Everyone is aware there are counter claims and the committee will get to the bottom of it.

This answers nothing, unless it means that eventually the Secret Service agents will testify. You can't give any excuse why their version of the facts has to be excluded, as is the case so far.

Obviously the Dems only want propaganda, not the truth.

You mean the 7 Dems and 2 Republicans.

Hand-picked by the Demos because of their advance conformity to the Blue script.

As shown above, your arguments are based on predisposed inclinations because of your both-sides attitudes.

The inclination to hear all sides in a dispute, to find the objective truth, should be the guideline for holding hearings. Rather than the apparent inclination to promote partisan propaganda to conform to a pre-written script the witnesses agree to in advance.

 

[Ford]

Dems = Repubs = Party propagandists, not truthseekers

Of course there is a small bit of truth to this in that both sides might use some propaganda from time to time, but that both sides screaming only goes so far. One side is a bunch of fascist gun-toting lunatics that tried a coup d'etat and failed and there are a lot of links between that side's upper management and the coup attempt. So it has to be investigated. The other side, i.e. the Dems didn't do it and the Republicans have defectors like Cheney who joined the committee.

This doesn't answer why Bannon should not be allowed to testify live, or why the 2 Secret Service agents should not testify. Unless the reason is that the Dems are afraid that the facts emerging from such testimony would undermine their Blue Narrative.

The "Blue Narrative?"

For fuck's sake the Trump narrative was "we may not have won the popular vote or the electoral, but none of that matters and we should remain in power no matter what."

There was no evidence of "widespread voter fraud," but the Trump camp said "fuck it, we don't need proof. Just rig the electoral vote and if that doesn't work we'll figure something else out."

There is no "Blue Narrative" at all. Trump tried to overturn the results of an election that didn't go as he intended. What's happening now is a discussion of just how far he and his camp went to throw democracy out the window and install the 45th President as a dictator. What part of this don't you understand?

 

[Patooka]

or why the 2 Secret Service agents should not testify.

What Secret Service agents? What are their names? Where the living fuck are you getting this from?

 

[laughing dog]

This doesn't answer why Bannon should not be allowed to testify live, or why the 2 Secret Service agents should not testify. Unless the reason is that the Dems are afraid that the facts emerging from such testimony would undermine their Blue Narrative.

Bannon is allowed to testify, but Bannon has refused to testify to date. I know of no one who thinks that the Secret Service agents should not testify.

The procedure is to first get a deposition (i.e. hear the testimony in private) and the decide to whether or not to go public - the procedure in any trial.

It appears your post are based on crucial lack of basic and readily available information.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Dems = Repubs = Party propagandists, not truthseekers

Of course there is a small bit of truth to this in that both sides might use some propaganda from time to time, but that both sides screaming only goes so far. One side is a bunch of fascist gun-toting lunatics that tried a coup d'etat and failed and there are a lot of links between that side's upper management and the coup attempt. So it has to be investigated. The other side, i.e. the Dems didn't do it and the Republicans have defectors like Cheney who joined the committee.

This doesn't answer why Bannon should not be allowed to testify live, or why the 2 Secret Service agents should not testify. Unless the reason is that the Dems are afraid that the facts emerging from such testimony would undermine their Blue Narrative.

The blue narrative as testified to by virtually no one but Trump Administration officials?

It is an interesting spin. The Democrats aren't letting enough people testify against Trump. What a load!

 

[Lumpenproletariat]

Dems = Repubs = Party propagandists, not truthseekers


Why won't Dems allow Bannon to testify live? instead of in secret session only? What are they hiding?

Why are they still excluding testimony from the Secret Service agents who contradict the testimony of Hutchinson?

Obviously the Dems only want propaganda, not the truth. They are providing a drama production for the public, performed according to a script which they are writing, specially crafted to promote only the Blue Narrative.

In a year from now, when Trumpist Repubs dominate the House, they will hold hearings to accuse Dems of crimes, and they will impeach Biden. The Party in power will always produce its propaganda, Dems = Repubs, Red truth and Blue truth equally artificial and created by the Party in power.

Why can't we have real hearings, where the purpose is to find the truth, instead of only Repub or Dem propaganda presentations? What ever happened to

"Just the facts, ma'am, just the facts!" ????​

So you have nothing to say about the actual evidence provided but rather focus on what amounts to an optional side quest in the main story.

The reason the Hutchinson testimony is so damning is because she was an up and coming star in Trump World. Small town girl from a small town college deeply committed to conservative politics while at the same time driven and talented enough to go from intern to special assistant to the White House Chief of Staff in a few short years, and on a first-name basis with powerful GOP Congressmen.

When the guano impacted the air conditioner and she was summoned to testify, she was threatened by someone from within that world, switched lawyers, and came clean. Plus she brought the receipts.

We all agree it's a good narrative, maybe all true. We should hear all of it. But what is the excuse for excluding any testimony which might be contrary? Why must all the evidence be limited to only that which promotes this Blue Narrative? and anything differing from it be excluded? You're not explaining the need for this censorship.

This is not a case of Democrats and liberals pointing fingers from outside the White House. This is people in the room playing CYA and saying "that's the guy who was planning to overthrow everything..."

At every turn, the question of "what are they hiding?" has been answered with "this person who was in the room and willing to testify."

No, that doesn't answer why other relevant testimony has to be excluded. Just saying that this testimony is important doesn't explain the exclusion of other testimony.

Bannon is trying to set the conditions of his testimony because he's frankly scared shitless.

A suspect or witness should not be excluded from testifying just because s/he is scared. How is he imposing any "conditions" other than wanting it to be public?

Again...the lead prosecutor (if you will) in this process is not some feckless Democrat. In fact I'd hazard a guess that Lumpen can't name the committee co-chair without looking it up. No, this is Liz "I have no further fucks to give" Cheney bringing the heat. Bannon is right to be terrified. What they're doing to him is what they've done for all the other "blockbuster" witnesses. Give them the opportunity to testify in private, lock in their story, corroborate it, and then - when they are good and truly cornered - have them testify live and in public.

You mean Bannon is refusing to say anything in private? Or do you mean that they must first confirm that his testimony conforms to the Blue Narrative, and then establish that his public testimony must agree totally with his private testimony or he's guilty of perjury? so get absolute assurance that his testimony will confirm their Blue Narrative before he's allowed to say anything? and any deviation from the Blue Narrative is automatically perjury?

And you're saying that all the witnesses so far also conformed to these conditions? that they all first agreed to conform to the Blue Narrative? first swear to it privately under oath? and that any deviation from that script would automatically constitute perjury?

And anyone not conforming to these conditions is excluded from testifying?

I have no doubt that the Secret Service agents are being given the business as we speak.

"Something stinks here!"

 

[Elixir]

Or do you mean that they must first confirm that his testimony conforms to the Blue Narrative, and then establish that his public testimony must agree totally with his private testimony or he's guilty of perjury?

Why should he be given any chance at all to hijack the committee’s mission of finding the truth? Why can’t Bannon testify truthfully behind closed doors? Perhaps he only wants to grandstand with the lies he has been peddling for Trump since 1/6?
Why does anyone owe him a platform for his lies? Why did he never show up at ANY of the 63 court cases Trump lost, and show his evidence for electoral fraud!
Let me help you out, Lumpy;
HE HAS NO EVIDENCE and neither does anyone else, because TRUMP LOST, and there was NO FRAUD. But Trump can’t handle losing, hence the Big Lie. If he or anyone else lied about that in court they would be jailed. So nobody showed up in court saying “I witnessed person x committing electoral fraud”. 63 times, often before Trump-appointed judges.

The truth is not a Dem narrative. But the truth does not agree with right wing extremist lies and conspiracy crap, so liars like Bannon scream bloody murder. Nobody owes him a platform for lies.