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January 6 Hearings Live

Well seems that 45 "is allowing" Steve Bannon to testify to discuss the "truth". Should be interesting if he takes the 5th for most of it or he spills to protect himself.

Bannon to testify
Sorry Starwater. He's NOT going to testify.
Trump made a big show of waiving the immunity that Bannon never had, hoping the committee would allow him to go on TV and lie about everything, including claiming that Trump won the election he lost by nearly 8 million votes.
The committee is not about to allow any such charade.
He can tell his story to the committee behind closed doors like everyone else. If he presents any new information that is relevant to the truth of what happened on 1/6, why it happened or how it happened, then he might be asked to appear publicly and recount that information, and ONLY that information.
Therefore, he will never testify. He will go on Breitbart and cry about being "cancelled". Idiots will obediently be pissed off about him being "censored". Maybe it will drive turnout of the moron vote.

Bannon, Trump and increasingly all the fools who voted for him, are culpable for the attack on our Nation's Capitol, and can rightfully be considered traitors to the United States of America.
Trump should be made an example, and be put to death.
 
The part which says any testimony must be excluded which might be contrary to your version of the truth
Uh Lumpy, read this real slow:
That "part" is just Faux Nooz posturing, and does not exist outside the maunderings of Trump's media shills.
If you or anyone else has EVIDENCE they would like to present, you are welcome to show it to the committee. If you just want to blather on TV, I'm sure FOX, OAN or NewsMax has a slot for you.

Trumpo the clown has been invited to testify before the committee and has refused to do so. Some Trump partners in crime have repeatedly taken the fifth. That says it all.
 
Well seems that 45 "is allowing" Steve Bannon to testify to discuss the "truth". Should be interesting if he takes the 5th for most of it or he spills to protect himself.

Bannon to testify
Sorry Starwater. He's NOT going to testify.
Trump made a big show of waiving the immunity that Bannon never had, hoping the committee would allow him to go on TV and lie about everything, including claiming that Trump won the election he lost by nearly 8 million votes.
The committee is not about to allow any such charade.
He can tell his story to the committee behind closed doors like everyone else. If he presents any new information that is relevant to the truth of what happened on 1/6, why it happened or how it happened, then he might be asked to appear publicly and recount that information, and ONLY that information.
Therefore, he will never testify. He will go on Breitbart and cry about being "cancelled". Idiots will obediently be pissed off about him being "censored". Maybe it will drive turnout of the moron vote.

Bannon, Trump and increasingly all the fools who voted for him, are culpable for the attack on our Nation's Capitol, and can rightfully be considered traitors to the United States of America.
Trump should be made an example, and be put to death.

Trump faces several legal problems. He is in legal trouble in Georgia. The DOJ is digging into the fake elector plot. And the January 6 riot is looking bad for Trump. Not to mention minor problems like sixty plus bad faith failed lawsuits filled with false claims.
 
Seeing reports that Trump lawyer Justin Clark is now cooperating with the J6 Committee.
Link?
link

It looks more like past tense, that he already cooperated with them, but them is Justice Department officials on the investigation of Bannon. It gets interesting.
article said:
But Assistant U.S. Attorney Amanda Vaughn said that Clark had confirmed in his June 29 interview what DOJ long suspected: that Trump had never invoked executive privilege to block Bannon from testifying.

“The Defendant’s timing suggests that the only thing that has really changed since he refused to comply with the subpoena in October 2021 is that he is finally about to face the consequences of his decision to default,” Vaughn wrote.
Yup... Bannon suddenly decided to testify when it became apparent people knew that executive privilege never was used here. Bannon is an idiot, and I have no idea whether he thought this would actually work because at some point, he'd need to demonstrate that... in court.
 
Seeing reports that Trump lawyer Justin Clark is now cooperating with the J6 Committee.
Link?
link

It looks more like past tense, that he already cooperated with them, but them is Justice Department officials on the investigation of Bannon. It gets interesting.
article said:
But Assistant U.S. Attorney Amanda Vaughn said that Clark had confirmed in his June 29 interview what DOJ long suspected: that Trump had never invoked executive privilege to block Bannon from testifying.

“The Defendant’s timing suggests that the only thing that has really changed since he refused to comply with the subpoena in October 2021 is that he is finally about to face the consequences of his decision to default,” Vaughn wrote.
Yup... Bannon suddenly decided to testify when it became apparent people knew that executive privilege never was used here. Bannon is an idiot, and I have no idea whether he thought this would actually work because at some point, he'd need to demonstrate that... in court.

Bannon has stonewalled the committee for roughly nine months with the bogus claim of executive privilege. He is scheduled to go on trial July 18 for that action and is still refusing to hand over subpoenaed materials. I hope that the trial is not called off because of his last minute antics. He is still liable for having ignored a subpoena, and this tactic does not let him off the hook legally for his past behavior according to the committee.
 
Jamie Raskin to be the lead questioner tomorrow.

Raw Story reports that tomorrows hearing will be about the violence of January 6. The part played by violent groups like the Oath Keepers, and possible coordination with Trump's White House. It is now becoming clear this was not a spontaneous occurrance, but was planned well in advance. This turn of the investigation will almost assuredly flush out some witnesses from the woodwork who were not part of the criminal cabal surrounding Trump and do not want to do time in a Federal prison.
 
Or do you mean that they must first confirm that his testimony conforms to the Blue Narrative, and then establish that his public testimony must agree totally with his private testimony or he's guilty of perjury?
Why should he be given any chance at all to hijack the committee’s mission of finding the truth?
That's not what happens when a witness is sworn in and required to answer questions truthfully or be liable to perjury charges or charges of contempt for not cooperating. The questioning and testimony promotes the mission of finding the truth, not hijacking it.


Why can’t Bannon testify truthfully behind closed doors?
He can. But why can't he also testify publicly, as the others did? What is the Committee afraid of? only that he will say something contrary to the Blue Narrative they are promoting. But why do the hearings have to be rigged to promote only this narrative?


Perhaps he only wants to grandstand with the lies he has been peddling for Trump since 1/6?
translation: perhaps he will not conform to the Blue Narrative script the Demos insist must be followed by all witnesses without exception?


Why does anyone owe him a platform for his lies?
That a potential witness might be a chronic liar cannot be a criterion for excluding them from testifying, or from testifying publicly. There's no way a court or a Congressional Committee can objectively judge who is a liar and thus to be excluded from testifying. Or censored from testifying publicly. Maybe there are ways to measure how much each of us lies compared to others, and judge who are the worst liars. But the American justice system currently does not have an objective way to judge every person and put a dishonesty score on each one to judge which ones are so bad that they should be banned from testifying, or testifying publicly.

Rather than banning certain egregious liars from ever testifying, or testifying publicly, it's better to have enough safeguards in place to prevent them from misusing the court or the hearings, by having them confined to answering the questions, have the police present to subdue any witness who tries to disrupt the proceedings, etc. There are ways to prevent them from preaching rather than answering the questions.

The rules must require all witnesses to cooperate with the interrogation process, so that no particular obnoxious witness could ever abuse the proceedings, so there's no need to single out certain ones thought to be extra repugnant. If a witness goes wild and violently attacks someone or smashes something, of course the police have to drag that one away. Presumably the safeguards for that do exist. But just saying someone is a liar cannot be the rule for excluding their testimony, or excluding them from testifying publicly, if their testimony is needed in order to get the evidence.


Why did he never show up at ANY of the 63 court cases Trump lost, and show his evidence for electoral fraud!
That's no reason to exclude his testimony or banning it to a secret proceeding only. If his testimony is worthless, then exclude it entirely. Maybe in some cases a quack or charlatan is ignored altogether for good reason. But past bad behavior generally is not a reason to exclude their testimony in a current case where they have evidence that's needed. That a potential witness failed to do something in the past that he should have done is probably not a reason to disqualify them from testifying, or from testifying publicly.

If a witness is needed to provide evidence, and might even be a suspect as well, the option to testify publicly should be a right, even if also they are required to be questioned privately. This private session cannot be used as a trick to screen them in advance to make sure they will follow a script assigned for them to follow, with a threat of perjury charges if their public testimony might depart from the advance session. If the preliminary session is necessary, the witness should be free in the public testimony to repudiate any part of the private testimony, with no risk of perjury charges brought against them.

The House Dems will arrange for Bannon to testify publicly, if they are genuinely interested in getting the truth rather than just propagandizing.


Let me help you out, Lumpy;
HE HAS NO EVIDENCE and neither does anyone else, because TRUMP LOST, and there was NO FRAUD.
Then there's no reason for the Committee to issue a subpoena to him, or ask him to testify. Publicly or privately.


But Trump can’t handle losing, hence the Big Lie. If he or anyone else lied about that in court they would be jailed. So nobody showed up in court saying “I witnessed person x committing electoral fraud”. 63 times, often before Trump-appointed judges.

The truth is not a Dem narrative. But the truth does not agree with right wing extremist lies and conspiracy crap, so liars like Bannon scream bloody murder. Nobody owes him a platform for lies.
These are reasons for him to not testify at all. But apparently the Committee has reasons to want his testimony.

But they seem to want to separate the witnesses into 2 categories: 1) Those whose testimony promotes the Committee's narrative, who testify publicly, for propaganda purposes; and 2) Those whose testimony would undermine the Committee's narrative, and thus are suppressed or banned to secret session.
 
Well seems that 45 "is allowing" Steve Bannon to testify to discuss the "truth". Should be interesting if he takes the 5th for most of it or he spills to protect himself.

Bannon to testify
Sorry Starwater. He's NOT going to testify.
Trump made a big show of waiving the immunity that Bannon never had, hoping the committee would allow him to go on TV and lie about everything, including claiming that Trump won the election he lost by nearly 8 million votes.
The committee is not about to allow any such charade.
He can tell his story to the committee behind closed doors like everyone else. If he presents any new information that is relevant to the truth of what happened on 1/6, why it happened or how it happened, then he might be asked to appear publicly and recount that information, and ONLY that information.
Therefore, he will never testify. He will go on Breitbart and cry about being "cancelled". Idiots will obediently be pissed off about him being "censored". Maybe it will drive turnout of the moron vote.

Bannon, Trump and increasingly all the fools who voted for him, are culpable for the attack on our Nation's Capitol, and can rightfully be considered traitors to the United States of America.
Trump should be made an example, and be put to death.
The NYT disagrees with you. If you go to the link they say he did agree.
 
What is something the committee has claimed without proof? I'm trying to figure out what you're on about? Their job is to investigate and provide a spoken or written account of events. So duh, they'll have a narrative. Is there something the committee has shown so far that indicates that their "narrative" is incorrect?
 
He can. But why can't he also testify publicly, as the others did? What is the Committee afraid of? only that he will say something contrary to the Blue Narrative they are promoting. But why do the hearings have to be rigged to promote only this narrative?

Before they would decide to let him testify publicly, they would need to spend time gathering information on what he knows in private session. That kind of testimony takes a lot longer than they have time for in a public airing, and it might be that Bannon simply continues to stonewall, plead the fifth, and have memory lapses the whole time, which would waste everyone's time. Nobody is promoting a "Blue Narrative", which is the name of a Democratic partisan website. Almost all of the witnesses so far have been Republicans, many of whom have been loyal Trump supporters when not made to testify under oath.
 
Bannon is right to be terrified. What they're doing to him is what they've done for all the other "blockbuster" witnesses. Give them the opportunity to testify in private, lock in their story, corroborate it, and then - when they are good and truly cornered - have them testify live and in public.
You mean Bannon is refusing to say anything in private? Or do you mean that they must first confirm that his testimony conforms to the Blue Narrative, and then establish that his public testimony must agree totally with his private testimony or he's guilty of perjury? so get absolute assurance that his testimony will confirm their Blue Narrative before he's allowed to say anything? and any deviation from the Blue Narrative is automatically perjury?
Or it is a recognition that Bannon is a dumpster fire and more than willing to make a ridiculous spectacle.
Who is or is not a "dumpster fire" is a subjective judgment and not a legitimate criterion for excluding a witness, or excluding them from testifying publicly, if they choose that option.


In court, Lawyers never ask questions they don't already know the answers to. Same with the committee. They aren't going to let some racist asshole troll get a free spin at the wheel.
Who is or is not a "racist asshole troll" is a subjective judgment and not a legitimate criterion for excluding a witness etc.


Bannon likely has almost nothing to tell them, other than if he was the connection between Trump and the Proud Boys.
Whatever he says cannot be dictated to him by a script he has to follow in order to be allowed to testify. If that's the only way a witness is allowed to be heard, then you have to admit that this is Party propaganda, not a searching for the objective truth.
 
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Bannon likely has almost nothing to tell them, other than if he was the connection between Trump and the Proud Boys.
Whatever he says cannot be dictated to him by a script he has to follow in order to be allowed to testify. If that's the only way a witness is allowed to be heard, then you have to admit that this is Party propaganda, not a searching for the objective truth.

The committee is within its rights to ask questions that he must answer truthfully. He is not allowed to dictate a narrative of his own choosing, which is what he does while not under oath. The Republican leadership in the House had their chance to form a fully balanced committee to investigate Jan 6, but they rejected it. Now they have a select committee with two Republicans on it who are rejected by Trump supporters. Still, the hearings depend mainly on testimony from Republicans, many of whom have been strong Trump supporters.
 
The NYT disagrees with you. If you go to the link they say he did agree.
Oh, I know he has made a big show of “agreeing”. But he will not testify.
IIDB frowns on betting or I’d offer a wager.
But I’m interested in what makes you think he would testify. Because he’s such a truthful person? Because he would like to help the 1/6 Committee find the truth?
Do you have some compelling reason to take him at his word? Because of his rugged good looks? :hysterical:
 
Whatever he says cannot be dictated to him by a script he has to follow in order to be allowed to testify.

So what? Nobody else has had their testimony dictated to them. Why would Bannon be any different? He could say whatever he would like if it is responsive to the questions put to him, and is not a provable lie.
But he can’t do that, which is why he won’t testify.

If that's the only way a witness is allowed to be heard, then you have to admit that this is Party propaganda

So you admit that Bannon mouthing Trumpo’s message would be propaganda. That’s a start!
 
That's not what happens when a witness is sworn in and required to answer questions truthfully or be liable to perjury charges or charges of contempt for not cooperating. The questioning and testimony promotes the mission of finding the truth, not hijacking it.
You mean that’s what is SUPPOSED to happen. Which is why Bannon won’t testify.

I think he has already been held in contempt, so that’s no biggie.
He can’t tell the truth because that would anger the Boss. And he can’t lie about the things the Committee would ask because that could land him in prison. So all he can do is pretend to want to testify, but “only in public”. There’s no point in going off on an unhinged rant about stolen elections and Antifa behind closed doors. But the Boss would love it if the committee gave him a chance to do that in public. They won’t give him that chance, so he will not testify.

If you were watching the hearings, you might have noticed that the other witnesses gave taped and transcribed testimony behind closed doors before testifying in public. Bannon should do the same, but he can’t. Because… Trump.
 
The NYT disagrees with you. If you go to the link they say he did agree.
Oh, I know he has made a big show of “agreeing”. But he will not testify.
IIDB frowns on betting or I’d offer a wager.
But I’m interested in what makes you think he would testify. Because he’s such a truthful person? Because he would like to help the 1/6 Committee find the truth?
Do you have some compelling reason to take him at his word? Because of his rugged good looks? :hysterical:
He his facing jail time and fines.
 
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