June Election UK. Which Party do you think should win the election

[whichphilosophy]

So, why did she lose?

This is one of the issues where after it was announced her ratings slipped.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...ministers-theresa-may-poll-lead-a7748651.html

The “dementia tax”, as it has been dubbed by critics, would see thousands of pensioners who own their properties having to pay for care they receive in their own homes.

Their homes would then have to be sold to pay their bills, after their deaths, after the Prime Minister axed a commitment to impose a cap on lifetime care costs of around £72,000.

The policy has been criticised as unfair because older people would receive free NHS care for conditions such as cancer – but be forced to pay for conditions treated at home, including dementia.

Then added to this I am sure the fact that a Nationwide shortage of houses coupled with stagnant construction carried from the Blair days may have had an effect. 80% of young people do not believe they will ever own a house especially in London.

If someone lives in Central London, a£20,000 salary would not even get him a flat given that he would have to pay around £1,000 to £3,000 per months.
House prices I understand have dropped recently but rents have not as yet.

 

[Philos]

Folks,

This politics is magnificent; beyond irony.

Corbyn has torpedoed the Tories and we can all watch them sink. He has seen off Cameron and May; will it be Boris next?

A.

 

[Derec]

Jezza! Jezza! Jezza! Jezza!

Clarkson'd probably do better than either May or his socialist namesake. With Captain Slow as Chancellor of the Exchequer and the Hamster as Foreign Secretary.

Ree. Zult.

The "Ree.Zult" is that Labour has more than 50 seats fewer than Tories and are 64^* seats away from a majority. Not exactly a thundering endorsement of Corbyn or Labour under his leadership.

This stops decades of the centre ground drifting rightward.

Does it?

I personally hope there isn't another GE just yet. Let the Tories own a messy and painful Brexit.

Chances are there will be another election long before the normal term expires, perhaps even next year. And with somebody else at the helm, and perhaps even support for second Brexit referendum, I would say Labour would have good chances. When is the latest Article 50 could be untriggered anyway?

Speaking of Tories, this should shut the feckin Blairites up.

Blair was Labour. And he was much more successful than Corbyn at leading it too.
418 seats, 413 seats, 403 seats, 355 seats. Sure, he lost seats during his premiership, but from a very high level. And even the worst of these is much better than Corbyn's 262^* seats. Sure, he exceeded expectations, but that's because everybody had really low expectations (which is why May took the gamble in the first place). It's like when that charity guy was impressed with Kramer because he thought he was mentally handicapped.

* if Labour wins Kensington, which is still outstanding. Otherwise, take -1.

 

[blastula]

This DUP sounds like they would fit in well in the US Republican party.

 

[Derec]

their hysterical lies about Mr Corbyn

What hysterical lies about Corbyn? Did he not speak at extremist anti-Israel rallies where "gas, gas Tel Aviv" was yelled? Did he not refer to Hamas and Hezbollah as "friends" who were fighting for "peace and social justice"? Did he not support regressive economic policies of nationalizing industries such as rail and reopening uneconomical coal mines?

 

[Derec]

then Corbyn could have a crack at forming a minority government.

How would that even be possible? He is 64 or 65 seats away from majority. Even with all LibDem and SNP MPs he'd still have fewer seats than Tories.
If Labour had 20 seats more I'd think it possible with somebody else as PM. Corbyn is disliked even among many of Labour MPs (as can be seen from the vote of no-confidence last year), and I doubt many LibDem or SNP MPs would be too enamored of him as PM either.

 

[Sarpedon]

If only the Republicans were confined to a single unimportant and isolated geographical area.

Can we call them the "Derp" party?

 

[Philos]

then Corbyn could have a crack at forming a minority government.

How would than be even possible? He is 64 or 65 seats away from majority. Even with all LibDem and SNP MPs he'd still have fewer seats than Tories.
If Labour had 20 seats more I'd think it possible with somebody else as PM. Corbyn is disliked even among many of Labour MPs (as can be seen from the vote of no-confidence last year), and I doubt many LibDem or SNP MPs would be too enamored of him as PM either.

Derec,

Agreed. Corbynite is a weapon against the Tories at this juncture, but it will take another Blair (who won a greater majority for Labour than Attlee did in 1945) to deliver the package.

IMHO Corbyn should remain as a political gadfly, much like Bernie Sanders, and let the enemy take themselves down. Like Theresa May, he is not destined for power.

A.

 

[whichphilosophy]

How would than be even possible? He is 64 or 65 seats away from majority. Even with all LibDem and SNP MPs he'd still have fewer seats than Tories.
If Labour had 20 seats more I'd think it possible with somebody else as PM. Corbyn is disliked even among many of Labour MPs (as can be seen from the vote of no-confidence last year), and I doubt many LibDem or SNP MPs would be too enamored of him as PM either.

Derec,

Agreed. Corbynite is a weapon against the Tories at this juncture, but it will take another Blair (who won a greater majority for Labour than Attlee did in 1945) to deliver the package.

IMHO Corbyn should remain as a political gadfly, much like Bernie Sanders, and let the enemy take themselves down. Like Theresa May, he is not destined for power.

A.

It depends. All May has to do is give speeches and produce policies then Labour will get even more votes if there is another snap election. The question is, how would a Labour government resolve Britain's housing shortages balance of payments and reduce excess migration into the UK

 

[Derec]

It depends. All May has to do is give speeches and produce policies then Labour will get even more votes if there is another snap election. The question is, how would a Labour government resolve Britain's housing shortages balance of payments and reduce excess migration into the UK

What do you mean "reduce excess migration"? They are in favor of unchecked mass migration, especially of Muslims. Have you noticed how all Islamist MPs are Labour?

 

[Elixir]

how would a Labour government resolve Britain's housing shortages balance of payments

Prolly by raising taxes on the rich - isn't that what lib'ruls always do?

...and reduce excess migration into the UK

By "excess" I assume you mean "muslim", correct? If not, please clarify.

 

[bilby]

So, why did she lose?

Because the idea of her was far more popular than the reality. She had massive personal approval ratings, and her party were way ahead in the opinion polls; her main opponent had woeful numbers. It seemed like a perfect opportunity to boost her small (11 seat) majority in the Commons, and to get rid of the mutterings about being 'unelected' and 'lacking a mandate', particularly with regards to her very hard stance on Brexit.

Once the public got to see her and Corbyn on the campaign trail, they realised that she was horrible - and that the press rumours about Corbyn eating babies were hugely overstated.

Add to that a massive turnout amongst young people who were pissed off about Austerity, which has been the centrepiece of her platform, and which has meant rising student debt, and massive cuts in benefits for the unemployed; and a collapse in the vote for minor parties (which helped her in Scotland and Northern Ireland, but hurt her everywhere else), and the distortions caused by the voting system - the popular vote for Con increased since the last election, but the popular vote for Lab increased even more - and all of a sudden, the snap election seems like a less than brilliant idea.

 

[bilby]

She took a dive or her campaign was run by Anti-Brexit shills wanting a poor performance. Why that manifesto?

If she improved Tory seats and then did not go through with Brexit that would be a bigger scandal then what just happened.

She didn't take a dive - she increased her share of the popular vote.

May didn't lose this election; Corbyn won it. (Technically, as the leader of the largest party, May actually won; but in politics appearances are more important than technicalities).

 

[bilby]

This DUP sounds like they would fit in well in the US Republican party.

They are as close to the US Bible Belt, Tea Party, anti-everything loons as you will find in the UK, and are usually ignored for the insane windbags that they so clearly are.

There's a MASSIVE irony in the fact that the tabloid press have been trying for ages to persuade the voters that Corbyn is cosy with terrorists, and now May can only form government with the direct support of the DUP, whose support for the UVF is no secret.

Sinn Fein have a longstanding policy of not taking their parliamentary seats, and were never going to support a Labour coalition; once again, we see the right actually doing the things that they unjustly smear their opponents for.

 

[bilby]

then Corbyn could have a crack at forming a minority government.

How would that even be possible? He is 64 or 65 seats away from majority. Even with all LibDem and SNP MPs he'd still have fewer seats than Tories.
If Labour had 20 seats more I'd think it possible with somebody else as PM. Corbyn is disliked even among many of Labour MPs (as can be seen from the vote of no-confidence last year), and I doubt many LibDem or SNP MPs would be too enamored of him as PM either.

Yeah, Corbyn is deeply unpopular. That's why he got 40% of the vote, to May's HUGELY popular 42%

Your fond imaginings don't actually become facts just because you really really want them to be true. Corbyn is popular, despite an orchestrated campaign to denigrate him. May is roughly equally popular, despite an orchestrated campaign to boost her standing with the public.

The best news of the night is that, when he heard the results of the w it polling, Rupert Murdoch apparently stormed out in a rage. He hates it when the people think for themselves, instead of doing as he tells them.

The rules are clear; the leader of the largest party, May (or her successor), gets the first chance to try to form a government. But if she fails to get the support of the Commons, the leader of the second largest party, Corbyn, gets to try. If nobody can form a workable coalition, then it's back to the polls - I predict that the DUP will overplay their position (subtlety is NOT their forte), and that there will be another election within a year - and Labour are well placed to win an outright majority at any such election; the distribution of marginal seats favours Labour, and the voters will (correctly) blame the Tories for the upcoming chaos of minority government.

Labour now need a swing of less than 2% nationally to achieve a Commons majority.

 

[Philos]

It depends. All May has to do is give speeches and produce policies then Labour will get even more votes if there is another snap election. The question is, how would a Labour government resolve Britain's housing shortages balance of payments and reduce excess migration into the UK

wp,

Exactly. That is why Labour should stay out of power at this point. We just need to wait for the total f***u* (remember Black Wednesday?) and it will be there on a plate. One problem is the rising national debt. Tory public sector borrowing has been crazy, and there is no magic money tree out there. Fortunately Corbyn has the correct answer on the economics.

Your points about housing and migration are apposite. Under Theresa May's watch, ex EU immigration increased massively and that could have been more carefully handled. The Tory housing policy was private sector only, favouring the 'buy to let' boom, which still continues. There is room for some legislation there.

A.

 

[bilby]

It depends. All May has to do is give speeches and produce policies then Labour will get even more votes if there is another snap election. The question is, how would a Labour government resolve Britain's housing shortages balance of payments and reduce excess migration into the UK

wp,

Exactly. That is why Labour should stay out of power at this point. We just need to wait for the total f***u* (remember Black Wednesday?) and it will be there on a plate. One problem is the rising national debt. Tory public sector borrowing has been crazy, and there is no magic money tree out there. Fortunately Corbyn has the correct answer on the economics.

Your points about housing and migration are apposite. Under Theresa May's watch, ex EU immigration increased massively and that could have been more carefully handled. The Tory housing policy was private sector only, favouring the 'buy to let' boom, which still continues. There is room for some legislation there.

A.

Actually, there is a magic money tree out there; it's in the Tax Evasion forest.

The Tories don't like to venture in there in their official capacity, because too many of them (and their families and friends) are using it as an unofficial playground.

 

[Derec]

Corbyn doesn't exactly "grab 'em by the pussy," but "high five 'em in the boob" is not bad either.

 

[bilby]

Looks like the UK will be sending Europe a Conservative and Unionist Negotiating Team. I wonder what acronym we could use for them?

 

[bilby]

Well, this is a little embarrassing: