June Election UK. Which Party do you think should win the election

[bilby]

You are being nonsensical again. I have a great memory, unlike Corbyn's former shadow secretary and (former?) fuck buddy.

Who fucks who is a matter only for those directly involved - the participants and their immediate families; It speaks volumes about you, and your favourite media sources, that you think it is of the slightest importance to anything that Corbyn and Abbott had a sexual relationship forty years ago.

If that's all you have against them, then you've got nothing. If it isn't all you've got, then why bring it up at all?

 

[Derec]

I think you are wrong. That would have been the case even a few weeks ago, but this election has made it very clear, even to the hardened Blairites, that Corbyn's style of socialism can be made popular with the voters - and unelectability was the main objection within the party.

We shall see. If a moderate MP thinks Corbyn's brand of hard-left politics is bad for UK, he's have even more reasons to oppose him if he thinks he is electable.

It cannot be a formal coalition, as that would break the terms of the Good Friday agreement; And an informal support of confidence and supply is probably also illegal (though they might well get away with it). If the DUP promise to vote with the government, then IMO it's a coalition, whether they have any cabinet positions or not.

Tomato-tomahto.
In any case a minority government is much easier to pull off if you need 8 votes vs. 64.

Even the LibDems are not stupid enough to repeat the disaster that coalition with the Tories brought upon them.

I still don't understand why the voters were so hostile to LibDems entering a coalition. Probably because coalition governments are so rare in Westminster, unlike say in Germany.
But would LibDems be more inclined to work with Labour (under Corbyn) and SNP rather than Tories? i doubt it.

Yes. He's no extremist, despite what Rupert Murdoch and his ilk would have you believe.

Yes, he is an extremist, and that has nothing to do with Murdoch but with what COrbyn himself has said and done.

You really need to read fewer tabloid newspapers, if you want to get a handle on what appeals to the British public, or to the Labour back bench, for that matter.

I do not read any tabloid newspapers as such. I may read a linked article if I come across it, but I do the same for all kinds of publications.

Well, that's another similarity for you - we can reasonably expect elections later this year, which Labour will win outright (or possibly with the support of SNP, who were not a factor in 1974).

You are right about one thing - the British voters are a fickle bunch and now seem to lean toward Corbyn and his magic money tree.
But that gives the Tories and any center to right-of center non-Tory MO an incentive to make the minority government work.
I can't see another election being called if it can be avoided. It may not be possible to avoid it in a few months, and I hope Corbyn's poll number come down by then. He would be a disaster for UK.

 

[Derec]

Who fucks who is a matter only for those directly involved - the participants and their immediate families; It speaks volumes about you, and your favourite media sources, that you think it is of the slightest importance to anything that Corbyn and Abbott had a sexual relationship forty years ago.

When her sexual favors seem to be her chief qualification for shadow cabinet position, then it becomes public business.
Also, when their choice for a romantic getaway is communist East fucking Germany, that speaks volumes about their political ideologies. "He is no extremist" my ass!

If that's all you have against them, then you've got nothing. If it isn't all you've got, then why bring it up at all?

Abbott is way out of her depth. Why did Corbun choose her in the first place? My guess is her sexual favors.

 

[laughing dog]

When her sexual favors seem to be her chief qualification for shadow cabinet position, then it becomes public business.
Also, when their choice for a romantic getaway is communist East fucking Germany, that speaks volumes about their political ideologies. "He is no extremist" my ass!

If that's all you have against them, then you've got nothing. If it isn't all you've got, then why bring it up at all?

Abbott is way out of her depth. Why did Corbun choose her in the first place? My guess is her sexual favors.

Of course you resort to guessing her sexual favors. How else does a woman get promoted? They had a relationship 40 years ago. Do you have any actual evidence that there is a more recent relationship? And the notions of loyalty or a known quantity did not enter your mind at all? Wow.

 

[bilby]

When her sexual favors seem to be her chief qualification for shadow cabinet position, then it becomes public business.

Sure. Let me know if you have any actual evidence of that happening.

Also, when their choice for a romantic getaway is communist East fucking Germany, that speaks volumes about their political ideologies. "He is no extremist" my ass!

Lots of people visited East Germany and the Warsaw Pact during the cold war. That doesn't make them extremists.

If that's all you have against them, then you've got nothing. If it isn't all you've got, then why bring it up at all?

Abbott is way out of her depth. Why did Corbun choose her in the first place? My guess is her sexual favors.

Your guesses are your own problem. In the absence of any reason to think your guesses are in any way connected to reality, airing them publicly makes a statement only about your rather unpleasant personality, and says nothing at all about the people you are making guesses about.

 

[Derec]

Of course you resort to guessing her sexual favors. How else does a woman get promoted? They had a relationship 40 years ago. Do you have any actual evidence that there is a more recent relationship?

When you have a woman who once said that every defeat for the British is a win for "all of us" and that Mao was on balance more good than bad and who makes Sarah Palin look competent, then yes, I question her being promoted to the most prominent position in the shadow cabinet by her (former?) paramour.

And the notions of loyalty or a known quantity did not enter your mind at all? Wow.

A known quantity in the Biblical sense you mean?

 

[bilby]

When you have a woman who once said that every defeat for the British is a win for "all of us" and that Mao was on balance more good than bad and who makes Sarah Palin look competent, then yes, I question her being promoted to the most prominent position in the shadow cabinet by her (former?) paramour.

And the notions of loyalty or a known quantity did not enter your mind at all? Wow.

A known quantity in the Biblical sense you mean?

Empty insinuations are easy for you to make, as a (possible?) serial bigamist.

 

[Philos]

Folks,

I cannot disguise my happiness, even joy , at the turn of events.

Yesterday we read the Observer newspaper which was cover to cover with gloating articles over the Tory meltdown and Corbyn's rise. Then we watched on Youtube some of the strong Corbyn rallies across British cities (up to 20,000 supporters!). Then I read how Bernie Sanders has had a team of momentum activists over here, helping Corbyn, as early as 6 months ago.

For an old patriot like me, these are stirring times. Of course I am warmed by the fact that we will not lose our winter fuel allowance this year, that our pensions will rise next April and our local library will be reprieved. So many more good things.

Life is back to normal, after some dark times.

Haha! Today we see the witch May trying to offer 'stability' by promoting the backstabber Gove to her cabinet of deplorables. Lovely.

A.

 

[whichphilosophy]

When her sexual favors seem to be her chief qualification for shadow cabinet position, then it becomes public business.
Also, when their choice for a romantic getaway is communist East fucking Germany, that speaks volumes about their political ideologies. "He is no extremist" my ass!

If that's all you have against them, then you've got nothing. If it isn't all you've got, then why bring it up at all?

Abbott is way out of her depth. Why did Corbun choose her in the first place? My guess is her sexual favors.

The are both long serving MPs who are on the left wing of the party share many views, and have engaged in political intercourse for a number of years.

 

[whichphilosophy]

Folks,

I cannot disguise my happiness, even joy , at the turn of events.

Yesterday we read the Observer newspaper which was cover to cover with gloating articles over the Tory meltdown and Corbyn's rise. Then we watched on Youtube some of the strong Corbyn rallies across British cities (up to 20,000 supporters!). Then I read how Bernie Sanders has had a team of momentum activists over here, helping Corbyn, as early as 6 months ago.

For an old patriot like me, these are stirring times. Of course I am warmed by the fact that we will not lose our winter fuel allowance this year, that our pensions will rise next April and our local library will be reprieved. So many more good things.

Life is back to normal, after some dark times.

Haha! Today we see the witch May trying to offer 'stability' by promoting the backstabber Gove to her cabinet of deplorables. Lovely.

A.

If he builds at least 300,000 affordable houses a year he will have the support of a lot more people. Thatcher, Blair, Cameron and May didn't.
It's so crowded in some flats that people have to sleep standing up.

 

[Canard DuJour]

I think you are wrong. That would have been the case even a few weeks ago, but this election has made it very clear, even to the hardened Blairites, that Corbyn's style of socialism can be made popular with the voters - and unelectability was the main objection within the party.

We shall see. If a moderate MP thinks Corbyn's brand of hard-left politics is bad for UK, he's have even more reasons to oppose him if he thinks he is electable.

No, we've just seen. Even the leadership challenger has now conceded that he was wrong and apologised.

 

[iolo]

We shall see. If a moderate MP thinks Corbyn's brand of hard-left politics is bad for UK, he's have even more reasons to oppose him if he thinks he is electable.

No, we've just seen. Even the leadership challenger has now conceded that he was wrong and apologised.

I've been a member of the Labour Party, on and off, for many years, and if Mr Corbyn was ever 'hard left' to anyone but Blairite careerist MPs, so was bloody Churchill!

 

[whichphilosophy]

No, we've just seen. Even the leadership challenger has now conceded that he was wrong and apologised.

I've been a member of the Labour Party, on and off, for many years, and if Mr Corbyn was ever 'hard left' to anyone but Blairite careerist MPs, so was bloody Churchill!

He strikes me as left but not hard left. That is to say he is left wing but not extreme left wing and certainly not Marxist but incorporating traditional labour. I may be wrong on this.

As you have been in the Labour party you can evaluate from your prospective better. Mine is only by nature of his stand on issues.

 

[iolo]

I've been a member of the Labour Party, on and off, for many years, and if Mr Corbyn was ever 'hard left' to anyone but Blairite careerist MPs, so was bloody Churchill!

He strikes me as left but not hard left. That is to say he is left wing but not extreme left wing and certainly not Marxist but incorporating traditional labour. I may be wrong on this.

As you have been in the Labour party you can evaluate from your prospective better. Mine is only by nature of his stand on issues.

We are in no great disagreement. Not many of us were able to stay quiet under the Bliar absurdity, as he tended to, but he has had the stamina to go back and re-awaken the people.

 

[Draconis]

Honestly the Conservative-led UK government has been almost a placeholder government, firstly in coalition with the Liberal Democrats with David Cameron as PM (!) Then they got a slim majority out of the blue, although not big enough to face the important questions of the day. And now we're back to minority government. There's things that need doing that can only be done with a substantial majority... I can't see that happening next time either.

 

[Sarpedon]

As an American, I am envious of a minority government that acts like one.

 

[laughing dog]

When you have a woman who once said that every defeat for the British is a win for "all of us" and that Mao was on balance more good than bad and who makes Sarah Palin look competent, then yes, I question her being promoted to the most prominent position in the shadow cabinet by her (former?) paramour.

Questioning her appointment based on competency and positions is one thing. Questioning her appointment based on sexual favors without any basis in current fact is pathetic and misogynist.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

As an American, I am envious of a minority government that acts like one.

The Dems went the pragmatic path from '01 to '06. And then America turned on them for passing ACA, after having not rocked the boat to '06 and through '10 with not prosecuting the criminals.

The Dems have almost no power right now, but the Republicans really haven't accomplished anything major yet. ACA looks like settled law. Dodd v Frank is the next target of the Republicans as tax reform is impossible without ending ACA. And that may not happen either.

Funny. When the Dems won large majorities that had to reconcile the conservative leaning moderates with the establishment moderates and a few liberals. Right now, the Republicans are finding it very hard to reconcile the radical conservatives with the very conservative, with almost no moderates to deal with.

 

[Derec]

Questioning her appointment based on competency and positions is one thing. Questioning her appointment based on sexual favors without any basis in current fact is pathetic and misogynist.

But it is based in fact.

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He strikes me as left but not hard left.

Really?

That is to say he is left wing but not extreme left wing and certainly not Marxist but incorporating traditional labour. I may be wrong on this.

I think you are. It's not just his economic policies, but also him being rabidly anti-Israel and supportive of terrorists (be they IRA or Hamas/Hezbollah), etc.

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I've been a member of the Labour Party, on and off, for many years, and if Mr Corbyn was ever 'hard left' to anyone but Blairite careerist MPs, so was bloody Churchill!

Would Churchill ever call terrorists from Hamas and Hezbollah friends?

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No, we've just seen. Even the leadership challenger has now conceded that he was wrong and apologised.

There doesn't seem to be much courage to stand up to left-wing extremism in the Labour Party after all. They remind me of the Republican Party with Trump. All bark before the election, no bite after the election.
Except that at least Trump won. Corbyn won shit.

 

[laughing dog]

But it is based in fact.

If it is fact they were engaged in a sexual relationship around the time she was appointed shadow secretary, then present the evidence. An affair in the late 1970s is not evidence to any rational human being that her appointment over 30 years later was due to her sexual favors.