Lauren Boebert’s American Dream

[Elixir]

I think Derec has adopted “carpetbagger” as a pejorative term for anyone who moves further than across the street for political expedience.
The term is pejorative, which is why he used it. But it doesn’t mean what the Atlantean thinks it means. It was about the deplorable character of northerners who moved south in the wake of the Civil war, mainly for economic and social gain, achieved by taking advantage of downtrodden locals. Their complaint was more than valid.
But Derec’s grievance is just a visceral distaste looking for some kind of rationale.

False equivocation is apparently excusable if the person is ignorant of the actual meaning of the words they spew.

 

[Derec]

I think Derec has adopted “carpetbagger” as a pejorative term

Actually it was lpetrich who made a reference to it. I merely responded to it.

for anyone who moves further than across the street for political expedience.

"Across the street" is usually within the same district, so no.
And MJ running in very urban Manhattan NY10 even though he lives in decidedly suburban Westchester Co. NY16 is far more than "moving across the street", esp. since he didn't even bother to actually move. He merely ran in a district he had zero connection to.

The term is pejorative, which is why he used it. But it doesn’t mean what the Atlantean thinks it means.

Again, it was lepetrich who brought it up. And yes, he did mean it pejoratively toward LB.
I (and presumably lpetrich too) know the history of the word.

It was about the deplorable character of northerners who moved south in the wake of the Civil war, mainly for economic and social gain, achieved by taking advantage of downtrodden locals. Their complaint was more than valid.
But Derec’s grievance is just a visceral distaste looking for some kind of rationale.

These Northerners also tended to be pro-Reconstruction in the wake of the Civil War, which really ground the gears of many locals.
But that is all history. Carpetbaggers, as the term is used today, do not have to be from the North or have any particular ideology. When Hillary moved from Arkansas to NY to run for Senate she was called "carpetbagger". Same with Dr. Oz running in Pennsylvania even though he is from New Jersey and both are northern states.
If LB can be described as a carpetbagger, and lpetrich certainly did, then MJ can be described as one too.

False equivocation is apparently excusable if the person is ignorant of the actual meaning of the words they spew.

How is it "false equivocation"? Neither LB nor MJ fit the historical definition of the term, and both fit the modern definition. They are truly equivalent, not falsely.

 

[Rhea]

Btw, because of some new, more lefty, justices on the court, NY Dems have another bite at the gerrymandering apple.

I’m not a fan of gerrymandering, but the reality is that the republicans have a majority in the house because of it. It would be foolish to the point of idiocy for Dems to not play by the same rules.

But since Dems would be willing to legislate away the power to gerrymander by anyone, I will consider them on the higher ground here, hope they get majorities and look forward to the laws to ban it forever.

 

[Rhea]

Only in the case where you can show the person knew about the other situation or denies that situations are comparable when they are.

You can go back to the 2022 election thread where we discussed NY congressional elections in some detail.
Or why even bother? Responses by lpetrich, Rhea et al here indicate that they do not believe Democratic carpet baggers are bad. Typical partisan blinders.

Sinc you appear to have just looked it up, what thread are you talking about?

 

[lpetrich]

Derec seems much like right-wingers who act very wounded when anyone criticizes their side for anything. They often respond by claiming that the other side is guilty of the exact same thing.

As to LB and designer carpetbags, I was trying to have some fun at the expense of that whimpering coward. She's not a redistricting refugee like Mondaire Jones, she's someone who ran away from a formidable opponent.

 

[laughing dog]

Derec seems much like right-wingers who act very wounded when anyone criticizes their side for anything. They often respond by claiming that the other side is guilty of the exact same thing.

As to LB and designer carpetbags, I was trying to have some fun at the expense of that whimpering coward. She's not a redistricting refugee like Mondaire Jones, she's someone who ran away from a formidable opponent.

And, just like most conservatives leaning "thinkers", the obivous "nuanced" difference between Jones's situation and Boebert"s is completely lost on him.

 

[Elixir]

Derec seems much like right-wingers who act very wounded when anyone criticizes their side for anything. They often respond by claiming that the other side is guilty of the exact same thing.

As to LB and designer carpetbags, I was trying to have some fun at the expense of that whimpering coward. She's not a redistricting refugee like Mondaire Jones, she's someone who ran away from a formidable opponent.

Yup. Derec’s false equivocation is just an extension of the “both sides” bullshit he is so fond of putting forth. It takes some impressive contortionism to equate MJ’s decision with Bobblehead’s.

 

[lpetrich]

Lauren Boebert Brutally Rebuked in Home State Newspaper: 'Embarrassing'

In CO-03, she would be facing a primary challenge from Jeff Hurd, and a general-election challenge from Adam Frisch, someone whom she barely beat the last time around.

Does Lauren Boebert's district switching really matter?

Facing such daunting prospects, Boebert did what any unabashed person would do, abandon her constituents to seek office in another community where the incumbent has retired and the competition isn’t nearly as stiff.

The move has all the makings of a backroom deal to clear the road for Hurd, a more moderate Republican, to secure the nomination and defeat Frisch in the general election. But it appears Republicans in the party were genuinely surprised by Boebert’s announcement.

In the 4th Congressional District, several far-right candidates have already thrown their hats in the ring and Boebert will only add to the noise clambering for a nomination in the primary. The odds of a Democrat winning the seat are negligible.

 

[lpetrich]

Nancy Mace learns the lesson of Lauren Boebert and Marjorie Taylor Greene: MAGA is not for ladies | Salon.com - Published November 3, 2023 6:00AM (EDT) - by Amanda Marcotte

Then discussing LB's recent scandal and MTG's setbacks, being kicked out of the Freedom Caucus and her favorite House Speaker, Kevin McCarthy, being kicked out of his position also. MTG is reduced to slamming "vaping, groping" LB, "CNN wannabe" Ken Buck, and "Colonel Sanders" Chip Roy.

And while Rep. Nancy Mace, R-S.C., has succeeded at her goal of being on TV all the time, she's really only defined herself as an empty-headed attention addict. She never could coherently explain why she joined 8 Republicans to oust McCarthy, even as she grabbed at every microphone to share her non-reasons. Her stunt of marching through Congress in a skintight "scarlet A" T-shirt only reinforced the narrative that her only goal is getting on camera. Now her own staff has leaked internal documents to the Daily Beast thar expose her as "a politician obsessed with her public image and fixated on winning herself as much exposure as possible."

It all seemed so promising for these three women when they first came to Congress in January 2021. Just combine the "who me?" innocent-sexy act of a pageant queen with the belligerence of the nastiest troll on Twitter, and voilá! Instant MAGA stardom. Activating the lizard brain bigotries of the GOP base works even better in conjunction with titillating their gonads, something Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes figured out a long time ago, when they put a "leg cam" on Fox News so male viewers could ogle the female anchors in their miniskirts.

But it does seem that, for these three, the novelty of being lady MAGAs is wearing off rapidly.

It's hard to own the libs when the libs laugh at you instead of feeling offended.

 

[lpetrich]

Author AM then noted the right wing's willingness to accept contradictions like Donald Trump as an honest man, then noted the contradictions about their female celebrities.

Put more simply: The lady MAGA is expected to be sexy, to thrill the boorish desires of her Trumpian audience, but also chaste, to prove her "Christian" bona fides. She is supposed to be a loud-mouthed troll, which is the lingua franca of the movement, but also to remember that her role as a woman is to be accommodating, submissive and placating to men.

... That's the most confounding contradiction facing the MAGA lady of all: She is there to justify the very sexism that is holding her back.

Boebert's dilemma, of course, is the most obvious and hilarious. As historian Claire Potter wrote in her newsletter, Boebert's entire brand has been "Gun Chick," "a popular erotic figure on the right who we might tentatively define as 'the slutty girl next door—with a gun.'” The brand allows these women to technically be members of Congress, Potter noted, "but they don’t have to be taken seriously because it’s all just a joke" to their voters. She puts Greene in the same category. I'd argue Mace also belongs, especially after the "scarlet letter" stunt.

That she's pretending to be "surprised" just shows how much Mace is committed to the bit, because the only point in saying something so stupid is to capture that "Christ, what a bimbo" coverage. It's reminiscent of how Mace gave a speech at the National Prayer Breakfast where she carried on about how she skipped sex with her boyfriend to be there, pretending to be too dim to know that was inappropriate.

Then noting that MTG is more into trolling and less into cheesecake than LB or NM.

 

[lpetrich]

GOP's Biggest Losers of 2023: Lauren "Short of My Values" Boebert | Salon.com by Amanda Marcotte

Being a lady MAGA celebrity is harder than it looks. A woman who sets out to find fame and fortune by pandering to the worst men in America will soon discover that misogynists hold contradictory expectations that are impossible to square. You're expected to extol chastity and "purity," but you're also expected to gratify the male gaze. Worse, you're performing for men who have no taste for subtlety in their sexual displays so you're stuck in the Fox News vision of femininity, which has spread into social media and now even into Congress: blown-out hair, short skirts, massive push-up bras (or breast implants), all surrounding the pouty lips of a woman tsking about how only bad girls need abortions. If people can't tell whether she's headed to church or a porn shoot, the MAGA gal knows she's nailed the look.

It seemed like LB walked that fine line very well until the Beetlejuice scandal.

Despite being a national laughingstock, Boebert seems hopeful she can just ride this one out. She issued a self-serving "apology" blaming her "public and difficult divorce" and concluding, "I simply fell short of my values."

Liberals, of course, do not accept this "apology," as Boebert refuses to offer grace to others, even as she demands it for herself. This is a woman who gave a speech declaring that "women with women, men with men" are "all lust no love," and called on the U.S. to put "God back at the center of our country," an unsubtle call to criminalize private same-sex relations. She's voted against the right to birth control, denounces sex education, and wants to ban abortion. She wants forgiveness for her very public sexual behavior while calling for others to be punished for what they do in the privacy of their own homes.

 

[lpetrich]

A popular right-wing male fantasy is the Gun Chick, a slutty girl next door with a gun. AM thinks that LB is not quite that but something else:

Boebert never presented herself as a slut, per se. She instead offered the fantasy sold to men from every corner of the right-wing media ecosystem, from the leggy Fox News pundits to the "tradwives" that proliferate on social media: The hot naif, the woman who is all sex appeal with no sexual yearning. A woman whose body is rocking but whose lack of sexual experiences leaves her too ignorant to know what she wants — and, importantly, unable to judge a man for falling short.

Boebert centered her history of meeting her husband when she was a teenager and he a full-grown man in her public image for a reason: It's the misogynist's wet dream of a sexy girl who doesn't know any better. She may have run around in tight shirts and booty shorts, but the implication was always that she was tied down young and molded into her husband's witless helpmeet.

But she then got divorced, showing herself independent of her husband, and she then did that sexual hanky-panky with her new boyfriend at that Beetlejuice performance.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Wait, did Boebert’s district get redrawn this election?

No. Last election, just like everyone else's.
I do not see how redrawn districts excuses MJ though. He didn't want to run either against police defunder JB (where he lives) nor against moderate SPM (in a district sharing the number with his old district). So he went downtown, thinking the open seat would be easier for him to win.

And I simply do not find evil in that. His district vanished, he chose where he wanted to try. Moving because you don't think you can win where you are (Boebert) is a very different thing than moving because your seat vanished.

 

[starwater]

She will have a tough time IMO getting through the primary. Sen. Jerry Sonnenberg of Sterling, is running and he is very popular in this district and also happens to live in it. Unlike bobble head.

I think she knew she would not win again in her district so she switched. It's a shoe in for any republican on the ballot.

 

[Elixir]

She will have a tough time IMO getting through the primary. Sen. Jerry Sonnenberg of Sterling, is running and he is very popular in this district and also happens to live in it. Unlike bobble head.

I think she knew she would not win again in her district so she switched. It's a shoe in for any republican on the ballot.

The district change charade is simply to distract from the fact that she’s running away. I’m sure she knows Mr Sonnenberg isn’t going to let her win the primary.

 

[Patooka]

She will have a tough time IMO getting through the primary. Sen. Jerry Sonnenberg of Sterling, is running and he is very popular in this district and also happens to live in it. Unlike bobble head.

I think she knew she would not win again in her district so she switched. It's a shoe in for any republican on the ballot.

The district change charade is simply to distract from the fact that she’s running away. I’m sure she knows Mr Sonnenberg isn’t going to let her win the primary.

Then she's a fucking idiot for switching districts. If she's only picking where she's going to lose, she should pick the vote where once she loses she can do the magatard "eLeCtIoN fRaUd!" bullshit. Can't do that for a republican primary. Then she can keep on grifting at Newsmax.

 

[Elixir]

Then she's a fucking idiot for switching districts.

I don’t think she’s switching districts. It’s a charade. But yes, she’s a fucking idiot. A face saving announcement is all it is IMO.

 

[starwater]

The race is getting crowded. Mike Lynch State Repub just joined.

Mike Lynch jumps in

 

[Swammerdami]

Jill Biden is a college professor. Michelle Obama is very smart, and perhaps the sexiest First Lady ever. Hillary Clinton would be venerated like Eleanor Roosevelt if it weren't for the Koch-Murdoch-Putin-Hannity-Jones Bullshit machine. Even AOC is a superstar (and sexy) compared with the rest of Congress. (And I was pleased to see Ilhan Omar's cameo appearance in a top music video.)

Who do the R's have? Is Karen Taylor Greene a turn-on? I could only shake my head when the half-wit Bimbo Palin was deemed sexy enough for the #2 slot. Boebert's bio shows her as a cut-rate hooker -- has anybody checked her services out? Derec?

Nancy Mace

Her stunt of marching through Congress in a skintight "scarlet A" T-shirt ... fixated on winning herself as much exposure as possible.

It all seemed so promising for these three women when they first came to Congress in January 2021. Just combine the "who me?" innocent-sexy act of a pageant queen with the belligerence of the nastiest troll on Twitter, and voilá! Instant MAGA stardom. Activating the lizard brain bigotries of the GOP base works even better in conjunction with titillating their gonads, something Rupert Murdoch and Roger Ailes figured out a long time ago, when they put a "leg cam" on Fox News so male viewers could ogle the female anchors in their miniskirts.

Life is short, so I'm not wasting a click at Google Images. Did Nancy Mace look good in her skintight T-shirt? Is she the GOP's latest It Girl?

 

[ZiprHead]

Lauren Boebert blames ‘Hollywood elites’ for decision to switch districts

Colorado Republican ducks rematch for House seat after Barbra Streisand and Ryan Reynolds chip in 0.03% of rival’s war chest

www.theguardian.com

The far-right Republican congresswoman Lauren Boebert has blamed “Hollywood elites” including singer Barbra Streisand and actor Ryan Reynolds for her decision to switch districts ahead of her 2024 re-election campaign.

In an interview on Steve Bannon’s War Room podcast over the weekend, Boebert alluded to how her Democratic opponent Adam Frisch’s campaign had received a $1,000 donation from Streisand in April and a $500 contribution from Reynolds in March.


Those sums combine for approximately 0.03% of the $7.7m Frisch’s campaign has raised – compared with his Republican opponent’s $2.4m – since he narrowly lost against Boebert during the 2022 midterm election.

Nonetheless, as she has done before, Boebert singled out the donations from Welcome to Wrexham’s Reynolds and Streisand – an Emmy, Grammy, Oscar and Tony winner – as evidence that “Hollywood is trying to buy their way into Congress” at her expense.