Merged Mar-a-Largo raided by FBI?

[Ford]

Trump-appointed Judge Aileen Cannon, a member in good standing of the Federalist Society (which helped get her the appointment), has been told that her help isn't needed. The FBI took special precautions in searching Mar-a-Lago, including the use of only local law enforcement to search Trump's office, and then submitted their materials to a special filtration team. The team has already identified materials that needed to be returned, including some that might have a bearing on attorney-client (not executive) privilege.

US: Review of possibly privileged Trump papers already over​

I'm also willing to bet that they already knew what documents were being stored at Mar A Lardo...they just didn't know exactly which paper was in which box.

Trump had a habit of throwing papers around, tearing them up, throwing them out, etc. and generally being disorganized. We know that. Yet consider this:

Let's say you're a White House staffer and your job is to bring important papers to the President. For some - Top Secret ones, for example - you can't just go and grab them out of a file. You have to show your credentials to someone who also has credentials (and is in charge of keeping track of the documents), probably sign for them, and if you don't bring them back to where they belong, are going to need a very good explanation. So when the US military's Top Secret Fart Cannon plans go missing, the FBI talks to the person who handed them out, then talks to you, and then talks to the person who packed the stack of papers into a box in mid January of 2021. Even Trump staffers (and perhaps especially Trump staffers) know that the rule here is "CYA," and they documented when those papers came into their possession and where they went.

Why would you work to cover your ass? Because your boss - the angry man you handed the papers to - made it a felony to mishandle classified documents.

So not only is the "Special Master" demand largely superfluous, the demand by Trump to release the unredacted affidavit is also kind of pointless. He thinks it will reveal the "rat" inside his golf resort that told on him, when it is entirely possible he was ratted out by any number of federal employees simply keeping themselves out of legal jeopardy up and down the entire chain of custody.

 

[ZiprHead]

Let's say you're a White House staffer and your job is to bring important papers to the President. For some - Top Secret ones, for example - you can't just go and grab them out of a file. You have to show your credentials to someone who also has credentials (and is in charge of keeping track of the documents), probably sign for them, and if you don't bring them back to where they belong, are going to need a very good explanation. So when the US military's Top Secret Fart Cannon plans go missing, the FBI talks to the person who handed them out, then talks to you, and then talks to the person who packed the stack of papers into a box in mid January of 2021. Even Trump staffers (and perhaps especially Trump staffers) know that the rule here is "CYA," and they documented when those papers came into their possession and where they went.

According to someone on another board I'm on who says he carried full clearance that is exactly how it is done.

And that's also why this investigation is not near done.

 

[Jarhyn]

Let's say you're a White House staffer and your job is to bring important papers to the President. For some - Top Secret ones, for example - you can't just go and grab them out of a file. You have to show your credentials to someone who also has credentials (and is in charge of keeping track of the documents), probably sign for them, and if you don't bring them back to where they belong, are going to need a very good explanation. So when the US military's Top Secret Fart Cannon plans go missing, the FBI talks to the person who handed them out, then talks to you, and then talks to the person who packed the stack of papers into a box in mid January of 2021. Even Trump staffers (and perhaps especially Trump staffers) know that the rule here is "CYA," and they documented when those papers came into their possession and where they went.

According to someone on another board I'm on who says he carried full clearance that is exactly how it is done.

And that's also why this investigation is not near done.

Low-key, I occasionally worry that Stupid Antichrist will spring back to life after taking the sword to the knob as it were, and then try to do an impression of a shitty Tim LaHey book.

 

[ZiprHead]

US Secret Service Assistant Director Tony Ornato leaves agency

US Secret Service Assistant Director Tony Ornato left the Secret Service on Monday, a significant departure two months after explosive testimony by a former White House aide, who alleged Ornato had told her then-President Donald Trump was irate upon learning his security detail wouldn't take him...

www.cnn.com

Ornato told CNN he has not taken a role with the former President or any of his companies. He declined to name his new employer.

The House select committee investigating the insurrection has made clear it believes Ornato was a central figure who could provide valuable information about Trump’s movements and intentions leading up to and on January 6. Not only did Ornato once run Trump’s detail, but he also made the unprecedented move of joining White House staff as the deputy chief of staff in December 2019 on a temporary assignment and eventually returned to the Secret Service to run its training program.

According to Rep. Zoe Lofgren, a California Democrat who serves on the panel, committee members have stressed their desire to speak with Ornato and he has retained private counsel. It’s not clear whether Ornato will end up testifying related to the claims from Cassidy Hutchinson, an aide to former Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows.

To this point, Ornato has met with the panel on two occasions – in January and March – as part of its investigation, according to a source familiar with his testimony.

 

[Jarhyn]

Not even Putin is going to say “perfectly okay to return this TS/SCI document to this fine, responsible gentleman”. It’s more likely going to be Robert Mueller than Putin anyhow.

My point is that no matter who the special master is, they're volunteering to never leave the country unescorted ever again and live the rest of their life with their phones tapped.

It's creating a single, concentrated holder, and reader of that entire pile of secrets. There are vanishingly few people qualified and none of them are friendly to Trump at all.

It essentially created a young-ish high value intelligence target.

Whoever it is needs to realize this and live accordingly, as securely as a former president.

 

[Elixir]

Some of the most sensitive information will quickly become obsolete or irrelevant, especially stuff related to human assets.
The more technical “secrets” have probably already been sold.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

So not only is the "Special Master" demand largely superfluous, the demand by Trump to release the unredacted affidavit is also kind of pointless. He thinks it will reveal the "rat" inside his golf resort that told on him, when it is entirely possible he was ratted out by any number of federal employees simply keeping themselves out of legal jeopardy up and down the entire chain of custody.

It is possible that that was a portion of it... ie the paper trail went blank at the White House and the docs were known to be missing. However, they had a warrant to search his "residence". Which implies somebody high up, knew undisclosed (by him and his lawyers) stuff was there.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

And this actually leads me to the next question. Right now, we know Trump took documents he didn't have a right to have. The question for me is... when did he take them? I think there is a presumption he strong armed his table of docs into a box and walked out. But is that what happened, or were some of these documents strategically removed?

We know Trump took letters from Obama and Kim Jong Un. That was specific! We these other documents taken specifically as well? And for what purpose? To brag that he had them?

 

[Elixir]

So not only is the "Special Master" demand largely superfluous, the demand by Trump to release the unredacted affidavit is also kind of pointless. He thinks it will reveal the "rat" inside his golf resort that told on him, when it is entirely possible he was ratted out by any number of federal employees simply keeping themselves out of legal jeopardy up and down the entire chain of custody.

It is possible that that was a portion of it... ie the paper trail went blank at the White House and the docs were known to be missing. However, they had a warrant to search his "residence". Which implies somebody high up, knew undisclosed (by him and his lawyers) stuff was there.

I favor the hypothesis that there are multiple rats. In fact, if virtually everyone in the close Trump orbit turns out to be a rat, it will not be a surprise. Trump himself might be the only person with unalloyed loyalty to Trump. He fucks everyone else, so it seems unlikely that anyone else’s loyalty would be unconditional.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If it is Mar-o-Lago, and we are talking top secret docs being hidden, it has to be very high up the chain, like Jr or Kuschner or Giuliani.

 

[Elixir]

If it is Mar-o-Lago, and we are talking top secret docs being hidden, it has to be very high up the chain, like Jr or Kuschner or Giuliani.

Giuliani is very capable of spilling the beans - all the beans - without any glimmer of awareness that he is doing so. Kuschner has too much to lose IMHO.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

If it is Mar-o-Lago, and we are talking top secret docs being hidden, it has to be very high up the chain, like Jr or Kuschner or Giuliani.

Giuliani is very capable of spilling the beans - all the beans - without any glimmer of awareness that he is doing so. Kuschner has too much to lose IMHO.

They all are soulless and aligned to nothing but their own self-interest. But yeah, I'd love to see the video taped interview where Giuliani just needlessly blurts out about the documents.

I'm reminded of Agnew who denied denied denied... all the while negotiating his deal with the prosecutors.

 

[ZiprHead]

If it is Mar-o-Lago, and we are talking top secret docs being hidden, it has to be very high up the chain, like Jr or Kuschner or Giuliani.

It could also have been one of the Secret Service guys, one who is not so much of a Trump sycophant.

 

[ZiprHead]

 

[Jarhyn]

Arrest them all.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Training for war or Black Friday shopping?

 

[Copernicus]

I don't think they'll do much damage to their opposition by bumping them with those cheesy looking shields. The guy they had attacking them looked like he could have taken out half a dozen of them, if he really tried. But they looked like they were having fun playing attacker-defender games.

 

[Jarhyn]

I don't think they'll do much damage to their opposition by bumping them with those cheesy looking shields. The guy they had attacking them looked like he could have taken out half a dozen of them, if he really tried. But they looked like they were having fun playing attacker-defender games.

Sometimes, I feel like the correct response to such groups is to put together a bot that finds them, gets admitted to them, and then seeds them with bad/lethal/injurious advice as to how to "properly" train.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I think these guys are ready to go if they are getting attacked by a lone attacker... who isn't armed... and doesn't wants to hurt them.

 

[Worldtraveller]

The real crime here is their fashion sense.....