March for women. A message from Conservatives

[ronburgundy]

From a conservative friend on Facebook today

Something a friend posted today: I found a lot of truth in this, for me...
"I am not a "disgrace to women" because I don't support the women's march. I do not feel I am a "second class citizen" because I am a woman. I do not feel my voice is "not heard" because I am a woman. I do not feel I am not provided opportunities in this life or in America because I am a woman. I do not feel that I "don't have control of my body or choices" because I am a woman. I do not feel like I am " not respected or undermined" because I am a woman.
I AM a woman.
I can make my own choices.
I can speak and be heard.
I can VOTE.
I can work if I want.
I control my body.
I can defend myself.
I can defend my family.
There is nothing stopping me to do anything in this world but MYSELF.
I do not blame my circumstances or problems on anything other than my own choices or even that sometimes in life, we don't always get what we want. I take responsibility for myself.
I am a mother, a daughter, a wife, a sister, a friend. I am not held back in life but only by the walls I choose to not go over which is a personal choice.
Quit blaming.
Take responsibility.
If you want to speak, do so. But do not expect for me, a woman, to take you seriously wearing a pink va-jay-jay hat on your head and screaming profanities and bashing men.
If you have beliefs, and speak to me in a kind matter, I will listen. But do not expect for me to change my beliefs to suit yours. Respect goes both ways.
If you want to impress me, especially in regards to women, then speak on the real injustices and tragedies that affect women in foreign countries that do not have the opportunity or means to have their voices heard.
Saudi Arabia, women can't drive, no rights and must always be covered.
China and India, infanticide of baby girls.
Afghanistan, unequal education rights.
Democratic Republic of Congo, where rapes are brutal and women are left to die, or HIV infected and left to care for children alone.
Mali, where women can not escape the torture of genital mutilation.
Pakistan, in tribal areas where women are gang raped to pay for men's crime.
Guatemala, the impoverished female underclass of Guatemala faces domestic violence, rape and the second-highest rate of HIV/AIDS after sub-Saharan Africa. An epidemic of gruesome unsolved murders has left hundreds of women dead, some of their bodies left with hate messages.
And that's just a few examples.
So when women get together in AMERICA and whine they don't have equal rights and they're marching in their clean clothes after eating a hearty breakfast, I have to shake my head. If you want to protest, and as long as it's peaceful have at it; I will not be there."

Thoughts?

SLD

"Thoughts?"

No, this person has no thoughts, only vacuous words they were trained to parrot.

It isn't a matter of opinion, but a matter of objective fact that as a woman in the USA, she is increasingly prohibited by law from making her own choices and controlling her own body. So, she is either a liar, an idiot, or just saying empty words without any concept of their meaning.

The second half of the post amounts to nothing more than "America is the best! Love it or leave it!" The idea that no one should complain about injustices, if there is anyone anywhere that is worse off is mindless nationalism. It is at odds with how and why the US was founded and with what makes it worth fighting for. Women in the US are only better off than those in many other countries because of organized efforts to constantly fight against efforts to limit female equality. Cowards like the conservative in the OP have been the opposition to every bit of moral and political progress over the last few centuries. Women would not have the right to vote, if more women were as gutlessly content to simply not be worse off than they were. And there are brutalized women in Muslim countries being given the same "shut up and bake" message that this conservative has, with the same rationale that at least they are not worse off.

How ironically unAmerican it is to use America's superiority over the injustices in other nations as a rationale to promote sheepish complacency is disregard for injustices and inequalities at home.

 

[RavenSky]

From a conservative friend on Facebook today

Something a friend posted today: I found a lot of truth in this, for me...
"I am not a "disgrace to women" because I don't support the women's march. I do not feel I am a "second class citizen" because I am a woman. I do not feel my voice is "not heard" because I am a woman. I do not feel I am not provided opportunities in this life or in America because I am a woman. I do not feel that I "don't have control of my body or choices" because I am a woman. I do not feel like I am " not respected or undermined" because I am a woman.
I AM a woman.
I can make my own choices.
I can speak and be heard.
I can VOTE.
I can work if I want.
I control my body.
I can defend myself.
I can defend my family.
There is nothing stopping me to do anything in this world but MYSELF.
I do not blame my circumstances or problems on anything other than my own choices or even that sometimes in life, we don't always get what we want. I take responsibility for myself.
I am a mother, a daughter, a wife, a sister, a friend. I am not held back in life but only by the walls I choose to not go over which is a personal choice.
Quit blaming.
Take responsibility.
If you want to speak, do so. But do not expect for me, a woman, to take you seriously wearing a pink va-jay-jay hat on your head and screaming profanities and bashing men.
If you have beliefs, and speak to me in a kind matter, I will listen. But do not expect for me to change my beliefs to suit yours. Respect goes both ways.
If you want to impress me, especially in regards to women, then speak on the real injustices and tragedies that affect women in foreign countries that do not have the opportunity or means to have their voices heard.
Saudi Arabia, women can't drive, no rights and must always be covered.
China and India, infanticide of baby girls.
Afghanistan, unequal education rights.
Democratic Republic of Congo, where rapes are brutal and women are left to die, or HIV infected and left to care for children alone.
Mali, where women can not escape the torture of genital mutilation.
Pakistan, in tribal areas where women are gang raped to pay for men's crime.
Guatemala, the impoverished female underclass of Guatemala faces domestic violence, rape and the second-highest rate of HIV/AIDS after sub-Saharan Africa. An epidemic of gruesome unsolved murders has left hundreds of women dead, some of their bodies left with hate messages.
And that's just a few examples.
So when women get together in AMERICA and whine they don't have equal rights and they're marching in their clean clothes after eating a hearty breakfast, I have to shake my head. If you want to protest, and as long as it's peaceful have at it; I will not be there."

Thoughts?

SLD

Thoughts?

That s/he plagiarized it without attribution

https://thewrinkledbrowblog.wordpre...s-of-womens-suffrage-a-facebook-chain-letter/

 

[ksen]

Hunny, Ravensky can post it for you but she can't understand it for you.

Sweetheart, does your man know you are using the Internet ?

Jeezus fucking christ, put some fucking effort into your trolling.

Well, she got you to respond so ...

 

[ksen]

I think that is a definite possibility, but how do you know?

Sounds like something dumb a guy would write to impress his dudebros.

 

[Elixir]

Sweetheart, does your man know you are using the Internet ?

Jeezus fucking christ, put some fucking effort into your trolling.

Well, she got you to respond so ...

 

[Toni]

Hunny, Ravensky can post it for you but she can't understand it for you.

Sweetheart, does your man know you are using the Internet ?

Jeezus fucking christ, put some fucking effort into your trolling.

Huh. Just noticed this and was about to suggest that you put a little effort into your posts but then I realized that you are doing the very best you can, god bless you.

 

[Angry Floof]

Well, she got you to respond so ...

OK, can somebody just tell me what Madonna did or said that got Tswizzle in a fizzle? Don't make me google Madonna.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

OK, can somebody just tell me what Madonna did or said that got Tswizzle in a fizzle? Don't make me google Madonna.

I think she said something about blowing up the White House. It may or may not have been taken out of context, but a google search about Madonna would be needed to find out the details and given that I'm not a teenaged boy in 1985, I can't work up the effort to give enough of a shit about Madonna to do that.

Regardless, the Secret Service investigated and it turns out that the explosive devices were in fact just stage props, so there wasn't too much of a risk.

 

[Toni]

OK, can somebody just tell me what Madonna did or said that got Tswizzle in a fizzle? Don't make me google Madonna.

http://www.bentoneveningnews.com/news/20170121/latest-madonna-curses-president-trump-at-womens-march

Madonna says it took "this horrific moment" of Donald Trump's inauguration as president to wake up the United States.

The pop singer used several obscenities during a speech at the Women's March on Washington to emphasize her opposition to Trump. Her comments were carried live on cable television.

She says Saturday's march means "that we are far from the end" and it is the start of a revolution to fight for the right to be free and equal.

Madonna says like-minded Americans need to join together to make it "through this darkness" and show that "we are not afraid, that we are not alone.

Apparently, she also referenced thinking about killing Trump. Which is bad to say outloud, in public, with audio/video recordings. I haven't found the quote yet and didn't get a chance to listen to speakers at the march, just references from some of my more right winged extended family member's FB page. Apparently there is an outrage that a celebrity used 4 letter words and it's proof of the left wing's media/conspiracy to be outraged that Trump admitted sexually assaulting women using bad words. Apparently, the right wing thinks that people were all upset that Trump talked about pussy, not about bragging about sexually assaulting women at will. Because he's rich.

 

[Angry Floof]

OK, can somebody just tell me what Madonna did or said that got Tswizzle in a fizzle? Don't make me google Madonna.

http://www.bentoneveningnews.com/news/20170121/latest-madonna-curses-president-trump-at-womens-march

Madonna says it took "this horrific moment" of Donald Trump's inauguration as president to wake up the United States.

The pop singer used several obscenities during a speech at the Women's March on Washington to emphasize her opposition to Trump. Her comments were carried live on cable television.

She says Saturday's march means "that we are far from the end" and it is the start of a revolution to fight for the right to be free and equal.

Madonna says like-minded Americans need to join together to make it "through this darkness" and show that "we are not afraid, that we are not alone.

Apparently, she also referenced thinking about killing Trump. Which is bad to say outloud, in public, with audio/video recordings. I haven't found the quote yet and didn't get a chance to listen to speakers at the march, just references from some of my more right winged extended family member's FB page. Apparently there is an outrage that a celebrity used 4 letter words and it's proof of the left wing's media/conspiracy to be outraged that Trump admitted sexually assaulting women using bad words. Apparently, the right wing thinks that people were all upset that Trump talked about pussy, not about bragging about sexually assaulting women at will. Because he's rich.

Wow, there is so much in there that by all rights should offend right wing authoritarian followers, and yet the reaction is to taboo words.

I think right wingers could stand a little reflection on just what in their minds is obscene. Apparently, millions of people out of health care, the President's balls in Russian hands, the fact that your best representative is an unaware wind sock, rights and protections of citizens stomped, etc., get no such passionate reaction. I mean fucking reaction.

 

[laughing dog]

From the evidence in this thread, I am beginning to think what is really bothering the complainers is that these women dared to actually protest at all.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

From the evidence in this thread, I am beginning to think what is really bothering the complainers is that these women dared to actually protest at all.

What really bothers me is all the litter they left behind on the Washington streets, like their signs and stuff. If women stop picking up after themselves too then our society is just going to drown in garbage.

 

[whichphilosophy]

From the evidence in this thread, I am beginning to think what is really bothering the complainers is that these women dared to actually protest at all.

The only complainers are the women who can't accept the election result. No one's stopping them bleating, I mean protesting. Did you check out the leaders.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

From the evidence in this thread, I am beginning to think what is really bothering the complainers is that these women dared to actually protest at all.

The only complainers are the women who can't accept the election result.

Which would be a minority of the protesters, since most accept the results but are worried about their basic rights.

Did you check out the leaders.

What leaders are you referring to?
And what do your family members think of this? Or have you forgotten about your daughter already?

 

[whichphilosophy]

The only complainers are the women who can't accept the election result.

Which would be a minority of the protesters, since most accept the results but are worried about their basic rights.

Did you check out the leaders.

What leaders are you referring to?
And what do your family members think of this? Or have you forgotten about your daughter already?

www.womensmarch.com
My 2 daughters are in the Philippines. Politics is also a lot of fun there.

Just to add. I am sure that the majority are concerned about their rights but they are herded by those who oppose the election results. This I may add is my opinion.

 

[whichphilosophy]

OK, can somebody just tell me what Madonna did or said that got Tswizzle in a fizzle? Don't make me google Madonna.

I am simply looking at what the Media said.

First the report.
http://www.nme.com/news/music/repub...onna-arrested-blow-white-house-speech-1956649
The singer delivered a speech at this weekend’s Women’s March on Washington DC. Addressing the crowd on Saturday (January 21), Madonna shared her dismay at seeing Donald Trump become President, saying: “I’m angry. Yes, I am outraged. Yes, I have thought an awful lot about blowing up the White House. But I know that this won’t change anything.”

“We cannot fall into despair,” she added. “As the poet W. H. Auden once wrote on the eve of World War Two, “We must love one another or die.” I choose love. Are you with me?”


Then there is the Daily Fail report.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...d-Washington-protest-Trump.html#ixzz4WcZpAUif

Secret Service WILL investigate Madonna after singer says she wants to BLOW UP the White House in expletive-filled rant at women's march
The Secret Service has allegedly said it will open an investigation into Madonna after her DC speech

NB it says allegedly investigate

Madonna's statement: (There are other reports but here's the Daily Fail again
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...phor-Madonna-clarifies-Saturday-s-speech.html

I didn't really mean 'blow up the White House', says Madonna: Singer claims she was speaking in 'metaphor' at anti-Trump women's march as Secret Service investigate
Madonna posted to Instagram explaining her controversial statements
The Material Girl was a surprise speaker and performer at the Women's March on Washington in D.C. on Saturday
The superstar, who has 8.6million followers, stated that she'd 'thought about blowing up the White House'
The Secret Service has reportedly said it will investigate her claim
In an Instagram post on Sunday she stated that she 'spoke in metaphor' and did not intend it to be taken literally
The Women's March on Washington was largest inaugural protest in history


In my own view it's a stupid comment. I mean blowing up the White House shouldn't be said either as a joke no matter who is there. She should stick to singing.

 

[Nice Squirrel]

Which would be a minority of the protesters, since most accept the results but are worried about their basic rights.

Did you check out the leaders.

What leaders are you referring to?
And what do your family members think of this? Or have you forgotten about your daughter already?

www.womensmarch.com
My 2 daughters are in the Philippines. Politics is also a lot of fun there.

Just to add. I am sure that the majority are concerned about their rights but they are herded by those who oppose the election results. This I may add is my opinion.

Congratulations are in order.

 

[Toni]

http://www.bentoneveningnews.com/news/20170121/latest-madonna-curses-president-trump-at-womens-march

Madonna says it took "this horrific moment" of Donald Trump's inauguration as president to wake up the United States.

The pop singer used several obscenities during a speech at the Women's March on Washington to emphasize her opposition to Trump. Her comments were carried live on cable television.

She says Saturday's march means "that we are far from the end" and it is the start of a revolution to fight for the right to be free and equal.

Madonna says like-minded Americans need to join together to make it "through this darkness" and show that "we are not afraid, that we are not alone.

Apparently, she also referenced thinking about killing Trump. Which is bad to say outloud, in public, with audio/video recordings. I haven't found the quote yet and didn't get a chance to listen to speakers at the march, just references from some of my more right winged extended family member's FB page. Apparently there is an outrage that a celebrity used 4 letter words and it's proof of the left wing's media/conspiracy to be outraged that Trump admitted sexually assaulting women using bad words. Apparently, the right wing thinks that people were all upset that Trump talked about pussy, not about bragging about sexually assaulting women at will. Because he's rich.

Wow, there is so much in there that by all rights should offend right wing authoritarian followers, and yet the reaction is to taboo words.

I think right wingers could stand a little reflection on just what in their minds is obscene. Apparently, millions of people out of health care, the President's balls in Russian hands, the fact that your best representative is an unaware wind sock, rights and protections of citizens stomped, etc., get no such passionate reaction. I mean fucking reaction.

What is even sadder, to me is that one of my right wing relatives and I were sexually assaulted by the same person. Which, btw, is the first time I ever heard the word fuck spoken outloud. I had believed in my youthful innocence that people only wrote 'that word' on bathroom walls. She endured more than I did, and longer. As an adult was in therapy because of it. But she still thinks that people are upset by Trump using the word pussy and not
that he bragged about sexually assaulting women. Just because he could. I think that is so accepted by right wing wen because it is so commonly experienced by right wing women. To them, it's just normal. So is cheating by a man or getting drunk and beating on your wife and kids and being out of work. It's normal for.a woman to not like sex much but to feel compelled to keep her figure, and keep up her looks to keep her man happy.

 

[whichphilosophy]

OK, can somebody just tell me what Madonna did or said that got Tswizzle in a fizzle? Don't make me google Madonna.

I think she said something about blowing up the White House. It may or may not have been taken out of context, but a google search about Madonna would be needed to find out the details and given that I'm not a teenaged boy in 1985, I can't work up the effort to give enough of a shit about Madonna to do that.

Regardless, the Secret Service investigated and it turns out that the explosive devices were in fact just stage props, so there wasn't too much of a risk.

Do you have the reference for the last bit. I don't think that Madonna meant this; perhaps fantasised this but did not have any intent in mind. I've quoted some reports but it is stupid for people to say such things in this type of international political climate.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I think she said something about blowing up the White House. It may or may not have been taken out of context, but a google search about Madonna would be needed to find out the details and given that I'm not a teenaged boy in 1985, I can't work up the effort to give enough of a shit about Madonna to do that.

Regardless, the Secret Service investigated and it turns out that the explosive devices were in fact just stage props, so there wasn't too much of a risk.

Do you have the reference for the last bit. I don't think that Madonna meant this; perhaps fantasised this but did not have any intent in mind. I've quoted some reports but it is stupid for people to say such things in this type of international political climate.

A reference? All of a sudden you want facts that can be verified instead of just being judged as true because they were part of the delusional rantings of a madman?

Pick a side, FFS.