Michael Brown 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Cheerful Charlie]

If yer granny is smoking pot, it's not very gangsta at all.

 

[ZiprHead]

If yer granny is smoking pot, it's not very gangsta at all.

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/IRBAZJ4lF0U[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Arctish]

Is that what Michael Brown looks like? All this time I pictured a little kid smiling with shiny braces, holding a basketball and talking about Pokémon when he was brutally executed by those horrible police. But you're telling me THAT guy... the one in the four way security cam pic... that is Michael Brown? I should probably try a little harder to stay "up" on things.

Staying "up" on things is always a good idea.

The guy in the picture looks um. Isn't he beating on an old person? And stealing????

And people are mad because?

Because eyewitnesses like this guy say Brown had his hands up when Wilson shot him. Also, police in Ferguson had been the 'muscle' behind a community wide government shakedown that victimized citizens, especially the black ones, and the citizens were outraged by the apparent escalation of the abuse of authority. And then there was the cop car plowing through the memorial, the cops responding to a candlelight vigil in armored military vehicles, cops treating whites in combat gear and carrying assault weapons with respect and courtesy while unarmed blacks had guns pointed in their faces, the outreach by the State Police being undermined by local cops deliberately inflaming the situation again, the Prosecutor suborning perjury during the Grand Jury proceedings from a woman who lied about seeing Brown attack (she wasn't even there, a fact uncovered by the FBI when they interviewed her shortly after the shooting and known to prosecutors before the Grand Jury convened), the DOJ investigation that revealed chronic abuse of the justice system and a pattern of preying on the poor to raise revenue in Ferguson, and more.

Michael Brown's apparently needless death was the spark that set off the civil uprising, but the explosives in that powderkeg were the result of long-term police and government actions against the citizens they are supposed to serve. The people in Ferguson had plenty of reasons to be angry.

 

[Trausti]

Because eyewitnesses like this guy say Brown had his hands up when Wilson shot him.

Even the Eric Holder fronted DOJ found that claim to be bullshit.

Staying "up" on things is always a good idea.

 

[Arctish]

Because eyewitnesses like this guy say Brown had his hands up when Wilson shot him.

Even the Eric Holder fronted DOJ found that claim to be bullshit.

Not true.

From your link:

That narrative was called into question when a St. Louis County grand jury could not confirm those testimonies. And a recently released Department of Justice investigative report concluded the same.

Could not confirm ≠ found a claim to be bullshit. The DOJ did not conclude the eyewitness in the video was wrong, mistaken, or lying.

Staying "up" on things is always a good idea.

Part of staying "up" on things is paying attention to what is actually written and/or said.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Interestingly, the Grand Jury documents from the non-indictment of Wilson Finally went public. Among the highlights were these slow burners:

As I approached them, I stopped a cople of feet in front of johnson as they are walking towards me, I am going towards them. And I allowed him to keep walking towards me window, which was down. As Johnson came around my driver's side mirror I said "Why don't you guys walk on the sidewalk." He kept walking, as he is walking he said "We are almost to our destination.

Q: Do you think he used those words, "We are almost to our destination?"

A: Yes Ma'am. He said "We are almost to ou destination" and he pointed this direction over my vehicle. So like a northeasternly (sic) direction. And as he did that, he kept walking and Brown was starting to come around the mirror and as he came around the mirror i said "Well, what's wrong with the sidewalk?" Brown then replied, um, it has vulgar language.

Q: "You can say it. Say it."

A: Brown then replied "Fuck what you have to say" And then that was that.

It sure was, wasn't it? Because that's EXACTLY what triggered this encounter. Brown mouthed off to Wilson and Wilson decided to nip that shit in the bud. How DARE that fucking dindu disrespect his authoritah!

Of course, in full "cover my ass" mode he tells the grand jury:

And then that was that. It drew my attention totally to Brown. It was very unusual and not expected response from a simple request.

In a neighborhood he himself described as "very antipolice?"
BULL
SHIT

When I started looking at Brown, first thing I notice is in his right hand, his hand is full of Cigarillos. And that's when it clicked for me, because I now saw the Cigarillos, I looked in my mirror, I did a doublecheck that Johnson was wearing a black shirt, and these are the two from the stealing.

The stealing you didn't know anything about until two days later and even your own police chief insists had nothing whatsoever to do with the stop? THAT stealing?

And they kept walking, as I said, they never once stopped, never got on the sidewalk, they stayed in the middle of the road.
So I got on my radio and Frank 21 is my callsign that day, I said "Frank 21, I'm on Canfield with two, send me another car."

I then placed my car in reverse and backed up and I backed up just past them and then angled my vehicle, the back of my vehicle, to kind of cut them off and keep them somewhat contained. And I did that, I go to open the door, and I say "Hey, come here for a minute" to Brown. As I'm opening the door he turns, faces me, Looks at me and says "What the fuck are you going to do about it" and shuts my door, slammed it shut. I haven't even got it open enough to get my leg out, it was only a few inches.

I then looked at him and told him to get back and he was just staring at me, almost like trying to intimidate me or to overpower me. The intense face he had was just not what I expected from any of this. I opened my door again and used my door to push him backwards, and while I'm doing that I tell him to "get the fuck back" and then I use my door to push him.

Here's the thing: Wilson is claiming that the Cigarillos are the reason why he reversed his car and cut off Brown and Johnson. He later claims he was "trying to stall them" because he had already called for backup. The thing is, he doesn't actually DESCRIBE them to anyone on the radio, doesn't say why he needs backup, doesn't mention they're suspects in any sort of crime, and doesn't indicate their direction. He simply calls for backup, then reverses his car to cut them off in order to initiate a confrontation.

The very first thing he does is throw open his door and hit Brown with it, which means he has PLACED himself within reaching distance of him. He hits him with the door, not once, but TWICE, and at this point is when the physical confrontation begins.

If Brown had had a knife, Wilson would be dead.
If Brown had had a gun, Wilson would be dead.
If Brown had had mace, a pointy stick, a big rock, or anything more dangerous than his fists, Wilson would be dead.
100% of the danger in this encounter was caused by Wilson's decision to barricade these two people whom even his own police chief claimed in a news conference he had NO IDEA were suspects in a robbery.

Far more importantly, Wilson's story doesn't add up. If he suspected they were robbery suspects, he would have called them in.
He didn't.

If he didn't want them to get away, he would have simply followed them from a discrete distance from his car, or he would have gotten out of his car and followed them on foot to see where they went.
He didn't.

If he had wanted Michael Brown to stop punching him through the car window, he could have simply put his car into drive and stepped on the gas.
He didn't.

And even in his testimony he actually slips and says this:

Q: Any idea what happened to make him turn around or he just all of a sudden turns around?
A: No, he just turns around. His reaction to the whole thing was something I've never seen. I've never seen that much aggression so quickly from a simple request to just walk on the sidewalk.

And it gives us a clue as to his actual thought process, not this bullshit story about stolen Cigarillos (which were probably not even stolen and, specifically, weren't actually known to Wilson at the time despite what he claims, since the police report hadn't been been filed until after Brown was shot).

The truth is, Wilson told Brown and Johnson to walk on the sidewalk. Johnson was deferential, but Brown told him to go fuck himself. So Wilson decided to teach the kid a lesson; he backed his car up and tried to intimidate him, did the big bad "Stare down" move. Brown wasn't having it, stared right back at him, flipped him off. Wilson got pissed, threw his door open; Brown got even more pissed and threw the door back at him and socked him hard in the face. They got to fighting, and Wilson drew his gun, fired at him through the door. Brown started running, Wilson fired at him and missed, then got out and gave a short chase. Brown turned around, and Wilson -- still pissed off -- blew him away.

 

[Derec]

And it gives us a clue as to his actual thought process, not this bullshit story about stolen Cigarillos (which were probably not even stolen

They were definitely stolen. Don't tell me you are buying Pollock's bullshit?

The truth is, Wilson told Brown and Johnson to walk on the sidewalk.

As is his job, given that jaywalking is illegal.

Brown wasn't having it, stared right back at him, flipped him off.

Bad idea, trying to intimidate a police officer.

Wilson got pissed, threw his door open; Brown got even more pissed and threw the door back at him and socked him hard in the face.

Assault and battery on a law enforcement officer. Which is a felony.

They got to fighting, and Wilson drew his gun, fired at him through the door.

Reasonable response to getting attacked for no reason.

Brown started running, Wilson fired at him and missed,

Did he?

then got out and gave a short chase. Brown turned around,

Not only turned around, but also advanced.

and Wilson -- still pissed off -- blew him away.

Or rather Brown was considered a genuine threat. After all, Brown attacked him before.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

 

[Trausti]

Even the Eric Holder fronted DOJ found that claim to be bullshit.

Not true.

From your link:

That narrative was called into question when a St. Louis County grand jury could not confirm those testimonies. And a recently released Department of Justice investigative report concluded the same.

Could not confirm ≠ found a claim to be bullshit. The DOJ did not conclude the eyewitness in the video was wrong, mistaken, or lying.

Staying "up" on things is always a good idea.

Part of staying "up" on things is paying attention to what is actually written and/or said.

If you read further you'd uncover that the reason the DOJ came to that conclusion is because everyone who said "hands up don't shoot" didn't see anything. They simply repeated what other people said. I mean, for the BLM folks, they couldn't have had a more sympathetic Attorney General for their cause. And Holder's DOJ said it's BS.

 

[Trausti]

When I started looking at Brown, first thing I notice is in his right hand, his hand is full of Cigarillos. And that's when it clicked for me, because I now saw the Cigarillos, I looked in my mirror, I did a doublecheck that Johnson was wearing a black shirt, and these are the two from the stealing.

The stealing you didn't know anything about until two days later and even your own police chief insists had nothing whatsoever to do with the stop? THAT stealing?

How does this happen? How after all the discussion and evidence that came out can someone continue to push a duplicitous false narrative? I guess I understand now why all the BLM folks are so angry; they've been so misinformed they're hapless tools.

At 11:53 a.m., a dispatcher reported a “stealing in progress” at the Ferguson Market. The 911 operator was still talking to the caller in the background. In a second broadcast, 19 seconds later, the dispatcher says the suspect is a black male in a white T-shirt running toward QuikTrip, and had stolen a box of Swisher cigars.

About four minutes later, there’s more detail: the suspect is wearing a red Cardinals hat, a white T-shirt, yellow socks and khaki shorts, and is accompanied by another man.

At noon, Wilson reports that he’s back in service from the sick-baby call. He then asks the officers searching for the thieves – units 25 and 22 – if they need him. Seven seconds later, an unidentified officer broadcasts that the suspects had disappeared.

At 12:02 p.m., Wilson says, “21. Put me on Canfield with two. And send me another car.” His call triggered at least two officers to head his way, including one who said he was close to Wilson.

Sources have told the Post-Dispatch that Wilson has told authorities that before the radio call he had stopped to tell Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, 22, to quit walking down the middle of the street. They kept walking, and he then realized that Brown matched the description of the suspect in the stealing call.

Wilson then asked dispatch for backup and backed up his SUV next to Brown and Johnson.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/special/darren-wilson-s-radio-calls-show-fatal-encounter-was-brief/html_79c17aed-0dbe-514d-ba32-bad908056790.html

 

[Arctish]

Not true.

From your link:

That narrative was called into question when a St. Louis County grand jury could not confirm those testimonies. And a recently released Department of Justice investigative report concluded the same.

Could not confirm ≠ found a claim to be bullshit. The DOJ did not conclude the eyewitness in the video was wrong, mistaken, or lying.

Staying "up" on things is always a good idea.

Part of staying "up" on things is paying attention to what is actually written and/or said.

If you read further you'd uncover that the reason the DOJ came to that conclusion is because everyone who said "hands up don't shoot" didn't see anything. They simply repeated what other people said. I mean, for the BLM folks, they couldn't have had a more sympathetic Attorney General for their cause. And Holder's DOJ said it's BS.

Not true. The article cites different accounts from many different individuals. Some of them were not eyewitnesses, but some of them were.

Also, the DOJ report specifically states that some eyewitnesses said Brown had his hands up or held out at shoulder height with his palms up. The report says those same witnesses saw Brown move toward Wilson when he was shot, which is why the DOJ concluded Wilson's acts were not prosecutable. The DOJ did not conclude that the reports Brown had his hands up were bullshit.

Anyway, my statement is correct: one of the reasons people were angry when Brown was killed was the witness reports that Brown had his hands up. It was not the only reason. The illegal and abusive conduct of the Ferguson Police Department and city officials was enough to provoke protests. The shooting was just the final straw.

 

[Crazy Eddie]

The stealing you didn't know anything about until two days later and even your own police chief insists had nothing whatsoever to do with the stop? THAT stealing?

How does this happen? How after all the discussion and evidence that came out can someone continue to push a duplicitous false narrative? I guess I understand now why all the BLM folks are so angry; they've been so misinformed they're hapless tools.

At 11:53 a.m., a dispatcher reported a “stealing in progress” at the Ferguson Market. The 911 operator was still talking to the caller in the background. In a second broadcast, 19 seconds later, the dispatcher says the suspect is a black male in a white T-shirt running toward QuikTrip, and had stolen a box of Swisher cigars.

About four minutes later, there’s more detail: the suspect is wearing a red Cardinals hat, a white T-shirt, yellow socks and khaki shorts, and is accompanied by another man.

At noon, Wilson reports that he’s back in service from the sick-baby call. He then asks the officers searching for the thieves – units 25 and 22 – if they need him. Seven seconds later, an unidentified officer broadcasts that the suspects had disappeared.

At 12:02 p.m., Wilson says, “21. Put me on Canfield with two. And send me another car.” His call triggered at least two officers to head his way, including one who said he was close to Wilson.

Sources have told the Post-Dispatch that Wilson has told authorities that before the radio call he had stopped to tell Brown and his friend, Dorian Johnson, 22, to quit walking down the middle of the street. They kept walking, and he then realized that Brown matched the description of the suspect in the stealing call.

Wilson then asked dispatch for backup and backed up his SUV next to Brown and Johnson.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/multimedia/special/darren-wilson-s-radio-calls-show-fatal-encounter-was-brief/html_79c17aed-0dbe-514d-ba32-bad908056790.html

That's interesting, because what Wilson told the Grand Jury was:
"I didn't hear the entire call. I was on my portable radio, which isn't exactly the best. I did hear that the suspect was wearing a black shirt and that a box if cigarillos was stolen."

Funny that he brings up those specific details, innit? Because those are the two specific details he brings up later when he pushes for the next plot point in his little narrative, later in the same testimony:
"I looked in my mirror, I did doublecheck that Johnson was wearing a black shirt, these are the two from the stealing."

Here's how we know his story is bullshit: he's providing details, not because he remembers them, but because they're relevant to the progression of events he's trying to weave together. He introduces the "black shirt and cigarillos" early on, and then as the story progresses, circles back to "And that's when I realized, this guy had a black shirt on, and cigarillos in his hand, he must be the robber!"

Problem is, Michael Brown wasn't wearing a black shirt, so focusing on Brown as a possible suspect doesn't make any sense. It's literally the difference between "black shirt" and "white shirt."

Maybe your google-fu is better than mine and you can actually find a transcript or recording of that 9/11 call in the original to see what the dispatcher actually said? Because if the dispatcher described somebody in a black shirt and a red cardinals cap, Wilson focusing on Brown doesn't fit the narrative.


The more interesting part is that Wilson's original statement -- echoed by the chief of the Ferguson police -- was that he was unaware of the robbery at the time of the shooting. When a reporter asked him point blank, "Why did he stop Michael Brown?" his answer was "Because they were walking down the middle of the street blocking traffic. That was it."

It looks like shit they spun out after the fact to create a new narrative that was easier to swallow than the original: that Wilson got pissed when some "thug" mouthed off to him and wound up in a fight.

 

[Derec]

Also, the DOJ report specifically states that some eyewitnesses said Brown had his hands up or held out at shoulder height with his palms up.

The "hands up don't shoot" alt-facts narrative implies that the hands were up in surrender. Just having your arms raised can also mean holding them in aggressive manner. Note also that he was advancing toward Wilson - is that the behavior of somebody who is surrendering?

The report says those same witnesses saw Brown move toward Wilson when he was shot,

The fact backed up by the blood trail. He kept advancing even after he was shot and collapsed scarce 20' from where Wilson was standing.

Anyway, my statement is correct: one of the reasons people were angry when Brown was killed was the witness reports that Brown had his hands up. It was not the only reason. The illegal and abusive conduct of the Ferguson Police Department and city officials was enough to provoke protests. The shooting was just the final straw.

None of it justified rioting, arson etc. There are other cities that use fines for revenue. Why is DOJ only interested in it when they can make it a racial issue?

 

[Derec]

Because eyewitnesses like this guy say Brown had his hands up when Wilson shot him.

Even if he did have his hands raised, that does not mean he was surrendering. Note that he kept advancing even after he was shot. Having your arms raised can also be an aggressive gesture, and that fits better with other evidence.

Also, police in Ferguson had been the 'muscle' behind a community wide government shakedown that victimized citizens, especially the black ones, and the citizens were outraged by the apparent escalation of the abuse of authority.

They have elections every few years, right?

And then there was the cop car plowing through the memorial,

You mean the "memorial" that was illegally erected in the middle of the street?

the cops responding to a candlelight vigil in armored military vehicles,

"Candlelight"

You keep using that word ...

cops treating whites in combat gear and carrying assault weapons with respect and courtesy while unarmed blacks had guns pointed in their faces, the outreach by the State Police being undermined by local cops deliberately inflaming the situation again, the Prosecutor suborning perjury during the Grand Jury proceedings from a woman who lied about seeing Brown attack (she wasn't even there, a fact uncovered by the FBI when they interviewed her shortly after the shooting and known to prosecutors before the Grand Jury convened),

Citations needed.

the DOJ investigation that revealed chronic abuse of the justice system and a pattern of preying on the poor to raise revenue in Ferguson, and more.

Using fines to raise revenue is a common practice. Fromderinside is so proud of his town doing it that he puts "Speedersfundus" as his location. So why is DOJ only caring about it when it mostly affect black people? If it's wrong in Ferguson it should be wrong everywhere.
Besides, if you get, say, a speeding ticket and instead of paying it or showing up for your court date to fight it you instead ignore it and get a bench warrant, that is not some racist conspiracy by the Ferguson government. It's an obvious outcome of your own irresponsible choice to ignore a ticket.

Michael Brown's apparently needless death was the spark that set off the civil uprising, but the explosives in that powderkeg were the result of long-term police and government actions against the citizens they are supposed to serve. The people in Ferguson had plenty of reasons to be angry.

I got a stupid fine too once. Should I go out and torch a Quiktrip to vent my anger? Or is having one's violent crime excused due to "being angry" part of black privilege?

 

[Arctish]

The "hands up don't shoot" alt-facts narrative implies that the hands were up in surrender. Just having your arms raised can also mean holding them in aggressive manner. Note also that he was advancing toward Wilson - is that the behavior of somebody who is surrendering?

That's an interesting question, but in order to answer it you'd have to specify what "he was advancing" means. Was he aimlessly wandering in that general direction, moving forward with apparent purpose, running straight at the cop while screaming epithets, staggering after being shot, placing one foot forward as he knelt down to surrender, or what? All of those possibilities might be described as "advancing" by someone trying to gin up a threat that justified the use of deadly force on a guy 30' away.

However, as interesting as that question is, it's off-topic. TBH it looks like an attempt to change the subject.

another1 asked why people in Ferguson were angry when Brown was shot. I said part of the anger was due to the reports from eyewitnesses that Brown had his hands up when Wilson shot him and I provided a link to a video of one such witness saying exactly that. If you want to dispute my statement you can

1. provide evidence that refutes the claim that there were eyewitnesses to the event,
2. provide evidence that refutes the claim that eyewitnesses said Brown had his hands up when Wilson shot him (*note, that does not mean quibbling over how high his hands were, or if he was advancing, or if he had stolen cigarillos, etc.),
3. provide evidence that refutes the claim that people protesting in Ferguson heard the eyewitness reports that Brown had his hands up when Wilson shot him,
4. refute the claim they were angered by it, or
5. accept that what I posted is a true and accurate statement, and move on.

The report says those same witnesses saw Brown move toward Wilson when he was shot,

The fact backed up by the blood trail. He kept advancing even after he was shot and collapsed scarce 20' from where Wilson was standing.

Anyway, my statement is correct: one of the reasons people were angry when Brown was killed was the witness reports that Brown had his hands up. It was not the only reason. The illegal and abusive conduct of the Ferguson Police Department and city officials was enough to provoke protests. The shooting was just the final straw.

None of it justified rioting, arson etc. There are other cities that use fines for revenue. Why is DOJ only interested in it when they can make it a racial issue?

I didn't say it justified the riot, arson, etc. I am not making that argument.

 

[laughing dog]

I got a stupid fine too once. Should I go out and torch a Quiktrip to vent my anger? Or is having one's violent crime excused due to "being angry" part of black privilege?

Since the reaction of the people of Ferguson was not based on an one-time incident but a number of years of persistent harassment by the police force, one wonders what you are babbling about. Rational and disinterested adults can distinguish between an explanation and an excuse. So to forestall more of your ridiculous straw men, no one is condoning the rioting.

 

[Arctish]

Even if he did have his hands raised, that does not mean he was surrendering. Note that he kept advancing even after he was shot. Having your arms raised can also be an aggressive gesture, and that fits better with other evidence.

Also, police in Ferguson had been the 'muscle' behind a community wide government shakedown that victimized citizens, especially the black ones, and the citizens were outraged by the apparent escalation of the abuse of authority.

They have elections every few years, right?

And then there was the cop car plowing through the memorial,

You mean the "memorial" that was illegally erected in the middle of the street?

Show

the cops responding to a candlelight vigil in armored military vehicles,

"Candlelight"

Show

You keep using that word ...

Quibble, quibble, quibble, and pretending to be stupid so you can post a picture of a fire and act like that's the candlelight vigil I mentioned. Nothing to see here.

cops treating whites in combat gear and carrying assault weapons with respect and courtesy while unarmed blacks had guns pointed in their faces, the outreach by the State Police being undermined by local cops deliberately inflaming the situation again, the Prosecutor suborning perjury during the Grand Jury proceedings from a woman who lied about seeing Brown attack (she wasn't even there, a fact uncovered by the FBI when they interviewed her shortly after the shooting and known to prosecutors before the Grand Jury convened),

Citations needed.

White militiamen roam Ferguson with rifles while unarmed black men are arrested because they might be armed

Police harassing and gassing protesters after the situation had calmed, inciting violence and undermining efforts to restore order

Ferguson Prosecutor McCulloch admits he knew Sandra "Witness #40" McElroy was lying before he had her testify under oath to the Grand Jury

the DOJ investigation that revealed chronic abuse of the justice system and a pattern of preying on the poor to raise revenue in Ferguson, and more.

Using fines to raise revenue is a common practice. Fromderinside is so proud of his town doing it that he puts "Speedersfundus" as his location. So why is DOJ only caring about it when it mostly affect black people? If it's wrong in Ferguson it should be wrong everywhere.
Besides, if you get, say, a speeding ticket and instead of paying it or showing up for your court date to fight it you instead ignore it and get a bench warrant, that is not some racist conspiracy by the Ferguson government. It's an obvious outcome of your own irresponsible choice to ignore a ticket.

Michael Brown's apparently needless death was the spark that set off the civil uprising, but the explosives in that powderkeg were the result of long-term police and government actions against the citizens they are supposed to serve. The people in Ferguson had plenty of reasons to be angry.

I got a stupid fine too once. Should I go out and torch a Quiktrip to vent my anger? Or is having one's violent crime excused due to "being angry" part of black privilege?

Did you read the DOJ report? If you have, perhaps you understand why I think your "I got a stupid fine once, should I go out and torch a Quiktrip?" comment is beyond moronic.

I don't know why you want me to think you're incapable of understanding the effect that wide spread violations of civil rights and corruption of the justice system have on communities like of Ferguson, but I'm not buying it. You get angry when you think the civil rights of white men have been ignored. You're perfectly capable of understanding the anger people feel when the civil rights of citizens are denied.

 

[Toni]

I don't know why you want me to think you're incapable of understanding the effect that wide spread violations of civil rights and corruption of the justice system have on communities like of Ferguson, but I'm not buying it. You get angry when you think the civil rights of white men have been ignored. You're perfectly capable of understanding the anger people feel when the civil rights of citizens are denied.

I don't think that Derec is capable of---or at least willing to consider---black people (brown people, Muslim people, female people, and so on but especially black men) as fully human beings. As people. At least not on equal level as he sees himself.

And being unwilling is not functionally different than being incapable.

 

[Derec]

I don't think that Derec is capable of---or at least willing to consider---black people (brown people, Muslim people, female people, and so on but especially black men) as fully human beings. As people. At least not on equal level as he sees himself.

Utter unadulterated bullshit. It is precisely because I seem them as "fully human beings ... on equal level" as myself that I do not engage in excuses for behavior such as Ferguson (and Baltimore and Milwaukee and Charlotte and LA and ...) riots. What you and Arctish are doing is soft bigotry of low expectations and thus you are much closer to what you allege I am.

 

[Derec]

Since the reaction of the people of Ferguson was not based on an one-time incident but a number of years of persistent harassment by the police force, one wonders what you are babbling about. Rational and disinterested adults can distinguish between an explanation and an excuse.

I am aware that after the Ferguson riots the left tried to justify them by for example talking about bench warrants for failure to appear. For example:
Ferguson an apartheid police state: 21,000 residents have a staggering 16,000 open arrest warrants
Yes, 16k warrants in a city of 21k is a lot. But these are results of people getting tickets and ignoring them, neither fighting them nor paying them. If my lily-white self ignored a ticket, I'd have a warrant issued as well. It's a question of personal responsibility, not some sort of conspiracy against black people. And note also that local ordinances are made by the city and county governments and people of Ferguson can vote for both. And while I find revenue-motivated ticketing distasteful in general, it is much, much fairer to impose fines largely on local people who both have a say in local government and benefit from the funds raised. I think the "speedersfundus" locales which mostly rely on fines on passing motorists and out-of-towners that are even more morally reprehensible.

So to forestall more of your ridiculous straw men, no one is condoning the rioting.

Well DeRay, a prominent #BLM leader, is explicitly condoning the looting.
And you, Arctish et al are at the very least showing understanding for rioting.