Michael Brown Shooting and Aftermath

[AthenaAwakened]

Him throwing his hands in the air before he was shot is highly disputed.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch late Tuesday night published Brown’s official county autopsy report, an analysis of which also suggests the 18-year-old may not have had his hands raised when he was fatally shot, as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest.

Victor W. Weedn, chairman of the George Washington University Department of Forensic Sciences, said the autopsy report raises doubts about whether Brown’s hands were raised at the time of the shooting but is not conclusive.

“Somebody could have raised their hands way above their head and lowered their hands and then be shot,” Weedn said. “So an autopsy will never rule out that the hands were above the head. It can only say what happened at the time of the shooting. . . . With the graze to the right arm, it appears the arm was in a vertical position, suggesting that it was closer to down by his side, but it could have been higher.”

The officer claimed that Brown fought for the gun and two shots were fired, which is consistent with the evidence:

The officer said he reached for his gun to defend himself, but Brown grabbed it and only let go after it fired twice. Two casings from Wilson’s gun were recovered from the police SUV, the sources said.

Then, according to the officer, Brown turned and moved toward the officer (and did not surrender _before_ he was shot, the surrender only happened _after_, if at all, consistent with the autopsy report).

After he was shot in the altercation at the vehicle, Brown fled with Johnson, and Wilson testified that he ordered Brown to stop and lower himself to the ground. Instead, Brown turned and moved toward the officer. Wilson said he feared Brown, who was 6-foot-4 and weighed nearly 300 pounds, would overpower him so he repeatedly fired his gun.

Brown was shot at least six times, according to all three autopsies that have been conducted.

The autopsy says that Brown was shot in the forehead, twice in the chest and once in the upper right arm. The fatal wound on top of Brown’s head indicates that he was leaning or falling forward and the path of a sixth shot, which hit Brown’s forearm and traveled from the back of his arm to his inner arm, means Brown’s palms were not facing Wilson in an act of surrender, according to analysts cited by the Post-Dispatch.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html

There's weaseling in this story. If MB was falling when the last and fatal shot was fired into his head, it makes sense that his arms weren't raised. That doesn't conflict with his arms being up before he started to go down.

The shot to the arm was also inconsistent with it being raised. We also don't know what the seven witnesses have to say because they fear for their safety.

More weasling. Apparently anything to discredit the eyewitnesses. If we base prosecutions on what black people say, chaos ensues.

Anyway, the arm wound occurred during the struggle at the SUV. Obviously, an arm stuck through a window can not also be simultaneously raised over the head.

I said it was highly disputed, not that it didn't happen. You are trying to find any way to make it possible, which is no where near solid enough to convict someone.

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I will ask again

When the fatal shots were fired, where was Michael Brown and what was he doing? Was Officer Wilson in danger when he fired the fatal shots?

Wilson claims that Brown was charging at him. Being tall and almost 300 pounds, he feared he would be overpowered (like he almost was previously when two shots were fired inside his SUV as Brown tried to wrestle control of the gun from Wilson). According to the Post, 7 black eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with this (but have not gone public because they fear the mob is a risk to their safety), and the autopsy report is consistent with Brown not having raised up his arms in surrender when shot.

And other black witnesses say different

(if color is relevant and redeeming, then I assume all blackness is equal in righteousness)

 

[Axulus]

Him throwing his hands in the air before he was shot is highly disputed.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch late Tuesday night published Brown’s official county autopsy report, an analysis of which also suggests the 18-year-old may not have had his hands raised when he was fatally shot, as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest.

Victor W. Weedn, chairman of the George Washington University Department of Forensic Sciences, said the autopsy report raises doubts about whether Brown’s hands were raised at the time of the shooting but is not conclusive.

“Somebody could have raised their hands way above their head and lowered their hands and then be shot,” Weedn said. “So an autopsy will never rule out that the hands were above the head. It can only say what happened at the time of the shooting. . . . With the graze to the right arm, it appears the arm was in a vertical position, suggesting that it was closer to down by his side, but it could have been higher.”

The officer claimed that Brown fought for the gun and two shots were fired, which is consistent with the evidence:

The officer said he reached for his gun to defend himself, but Brown grabbed it and only let go after it fired twice. Two casings from Wilson’s gun were recovered from the police SUV, the sources said.

Then, according to the officer, Brown turned and moved toward the officer (and did not surrender _before_ he was shot, the surrender only happened _after_, if at all, consistent with the autopsy report).

After he was shot in the altercation at the vehicle, Brown fled with Johnson, and Wilson testified that he ordered Brown to stop and lower himself to the ground. Instead, Brown turned and moved toward the officer. Wilson said he feared Brown, who was 6-foot-4 and weighed nearly 300 pounds, would overpower him so he repeatedly fired his gun.

Brown was shot at least six times, according to all three autopsies that have been conducted.

The autopsy says that Brown was shot in the forehead, twice in the chest and once in the upper right arm. The fatal wound on top of Brown’s head indicates that he was leaning or falling forward and the path of a sixth shot, which hit Brown’s forearm and traveled from the back of his arm to his inner arm, means Brown’s palms were not facing Wilson in an act of surrender, according to analysts cited by the Post-Dispatch.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html

There's weaseling in this story. If MB was falling when the last and fatal shot was fired into his head, it makes sense that his arms weren't raised. That doesn't conflict with his arms being up before he started to go down.

The shot to the arm was also inconsistent with it being raised. We also don't know what the seven witnesses have to say because they fear for their safety.

More weasling. Apparently anything to discredit the eyewitnesses. If we base prosecutions on what black people say, chaos ensues.

Anyway, the arm wound occurred during the struggle at the SUV. Obviously, an arm stuck through a window can not also be simultaneously raised over the head.

I said it was highly disputed, not that it didn't happen. You are trying to find any way to make it possible, which is no where near solid enough to convict someone.

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I will ask again

When the fatal shots were fired, where was Michael Brown and what was he doing? Was Officer Wilson in danger when he fired the fatal shots?

Wilson claims that Brown was charging at him. Being tall and almost 300 pounds, he feared he would be overpowered (like he almost was previously when two shots were fired inside his SUV as Brown tried to wrestle control of the gun from Wilson). According to the Post, 7 black eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with this (but have not gone public because they fear the mob is a risk to their safety), and the autopsy report is consistent with Brown not having raised up his arms in surrender when shot.

And other black witnesses say different

(if color is relevant and redeeming, then I assume all blackness is equal in righteousness)

In other words, its disputed what exactly happened, and there is no forensic evidence consistent with the raising arms up in surrender before being shot. Evidence is not solid enough to go to trial, and the grand jury should rightfully let him off.

The color of the witnesses is relevant because if they were white their testimony would be discounted as being riddled with racial bias.

 

[Horatio Parker]

Him throwing his hands in the air before he was shot is highly disputed.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch late Tuesday night published Brown’s official county autopsy report, an analysis of which also suggests the 18-year-old may not have had his hands raised when he was fatally shot, as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest.

Victor W. Weedn, chairman of the George Washington University Department of Forensic Sciences, said the autopsy report raises doubts about whether Brown’s hands were raised at the time of the shooting but is not conclusive.

“Somebody could have raised their hands way above their head and lowered their hands and then be shot,” Weedn said. “So an autopsy will never rule out that the hands were above the head. It can only say what happened at the time of the shooting. . . . With the graze to the right arm, it appears the arm was in a vertical position, suggesting that it was closer to down by his side, but it could have been higher.”

The officer claimed that Brown fought for the gun and two shots were fired, which is consistent with the evidence:

The officer said he reached for his gun to defend himself, but Brown grabbed it and only let go after it fired twice. Two casings from Wilson’s gun were recovered from the police SUV, the sources said.

Then, according to the officer, Brown turned and moved toward the officer (and did not surrender _before_ he was shot, the surrender only happened _after_, if at all, consistent with the autopsy report).

After he was shot in the altercation at the vehicle, Brown fled with Johnson, and Wilson testified that he ordered Brown to stop and lower himself to the ground. Instead, Brown turned and moved toward the officer. Wilson said he feared Brown, who was 6-foot-4 and weighed nearly 300 pounds, would overpower him so he repeatedly fired his gun.

Brown was shot at least six times, according to all three autopsies that have been conducted.

The autopsy says that Brown was shot in the forehead, twice in the chest and once in the upper right arm. The fatal wound on top of Brown’s head indicates that he was leaning or falling forward and the path of a sixth shot, which hit Brown’s forearm and traveled from the back of his arm to his inner arm, means Brown’s palms were not facing Wilson in an act of surrender, according to analysts cited by the Post-Dispatch.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html

There's weaseling in this story. If MB was falling when the last and fatal shot was fired into his head, it makes sense that his arms weren't raised. That doesn't conflict with his arms being up before he started to go down.

The shot to the arm was also inconsistent with it being raised. We also don't know what the seven witnesses have to say because they fear for their safety.

More weasling. Apparently anything to discredit the eyewitnesses. If we base prosecutions on what black people say, chaos ensues.

Anyway, the arm wound occurred during the struggle at the SUV. Obviously, an arm stuck through a window can not also be simultaneously raised over the head.

I said it was highly disputed, not that it didn't happen. You are trying to find any way to make it possible, which is no where near solid enough to convict someone.

I think it's more likely that Wilson is lying than all of the eyewitnesses are lying. And there's little about LE's response, the blank report, the timing of the convenience store incident etc that's objective. The wagons were circled from the very beginning and it would be small surprise if these leaks are related. Why should I not push back?

But what I'm trying to point out right now is the way this rather slight forensic evidence is used to repudiate the eyewitnesses. Somehow MB's hands not being up as he fell dead means the eyewitnesses are lying.

I'd be satisfied with an indictment.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

By the way

M.E.s are not Quincy.

And i doubt the forensic department of Furgeson or St. Louis is really CSI-Midwest

Their interpretations can be as much art as science.

 

[Axulus]

By the way

M.E.s are not Quincy.

And i doubt the forensic department of Furgeson or St. Louis is really CSI-Midwest

Their interpretations can be as much art as science.

The autopsy report was released and analyzed by independent consultants for the Post. These aren't conclusions drawn from Furgeson or St. Louis but rather other experts hired by the Post to analyze the report. Unless you are suggesting that the autopsy report was somehow prepared incompetently? Is that what you are trying to say? On what basis are you drawing that conclusion?

 

[Arctish]

More info coming out:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html

Do facts really matter in this frenzy to get the Great White Defendant?

They matter, and we have plenty of them at our disposal. But we can neither confirm nor disprove Officer Wilson's version of events because we don't actually know his version. He has yet to make his official report.

 

[Toni]

Him throwing his hands in the air before he was shot is highly disputed.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch late Tuesday night published Brown’s official county autopsy report, an analysis of which also suggests the 18-year-old may not have had his hands raised when he was fatally shot, as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest.

Victor W. Weedn, chairman of the George Washington University Department of Forensic Sciences, said the autopsy report raises doubts about whether Brown’s hands were raised at the time of the shooting but is not conclusive.

“Somebody could have raised their hands way above their head and lowered their hands and then be shot,” Weedn said. “So an autopsy will never rule out that the hands were above the head. It can only say what happened at the time of the shooting. . . . With the graze to the right arm, it appears the arm was in a vertical position, suggesting that it was closer to down by his side, but it could have been higher.”

The officer claimed that Brown fought for the gun and two shots were fired, which is consistent with the evidence:

The officer said he reached for his gun to defend himself, but Brown grabbed it and only let go after it fired twice. Two casings from Wilson’s gun were recovered from the police SUV, the sources said.

Then, according to the officer, Brown turned and moved toward the officer (and did not surrender _before_ he was shot, the surrender only happened _after_, if at all, consistent with the autopsy report).

After he was shot in the altercation at the vehicle, Brown fled with Johnson, and Wilson testified that he ordered Brown to stop and lower himself to the ground. Instead, Brown turned and moved toward the officer. Wilson said he feared Brown, who was 6-foot-4 and weighed nearly 300 pounds, would overpower him so he repeatedly fired his gun.

Brown was shot at least six times, according to all three autopsies that have been conducted.

The autopsy says that Brown was shot in the forehead, twice in the chest and once in the upper right arm. The fatal wound on top of Brown’s head indicates that he was leaning or falling forward and the path of a sixth shot, which hit Brown’s forearm and traveled from the back of his arm to his inner arm, means Brown’s palms were not facing Wilson in an act of surrender, according to analysts cited by the Post-Dispatch.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html

There's weaseling in this story. If MB was falling when the last and fatal shot was fired into his head, it makes sense that his arms weren't raised. That doesn't conflict with his arms being up before he started to go down.

The shot to the arm was also inconsistent with it being raised. We also don't know what the seven witnesses have to say because they fear for their safety.

More weasling. Apparently anything to discredit the eyewitnesses. If we base prosecutions on what black people say, chaos ensues.

Anyway, the arm wound occurred during the struggle at the SUV. Obviously, an arm stuck through a window can not also be simultaneously raised over the head.

I said it was highly disputed, not that it didn't happen. You are trying to find any way to make it possible, which is no where near solid enough to convict someone.

- - - Updated - - -

I will ask again

When the fatal shots were fired, where was Michael Brown and what was he doing? Was Officer Wilson in danger when he fired the fatal shots?

Wilson claims that Brown was charging at him. Being tall and almost 300 pounds, he feared he would be overpowered (like he almost was previously when two shots were fired inside his SUV as Brown tried to wrestle control of the gun from Wilson). According to the Post, 7 black eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with this (but have not gone public because they fear the mob is a risk to their safety), and the autopsy report is consistent with Brown not having raised up his arms in surrender when shot.

And other black witnesses say different

(if color is relevant and redeeming, then I assume all blackness is equal in righteousness)

In other words, its disputed what exactly happened, and there is no forensic evidence consistent with the raising arms up in surrender before being shot. Evidence is not solid enough to go to trial, and the grand jury should rightfully let him off.

The color of the witnesses is relevant because if they were white their testimony would be discounted as being riddled with racial bias.

Note to self: When surrendering to a police officer, it is imperative to keep arms fully extended over head, palms facing the officer(s) to demonstrate that I am posing no threat, no matter how many times I am struck by bullets.

 

[Derec]

Note to self: When surrendering to a police officer, it is imperative to keep arms fully extended over head, palms facing the officer(s) to demonstrate that I am posing no threat, no matter how many times I am struck by bullets.

Not walking toward the officer while supposedly surrendering would help too.
Also you have to consider the officer's real time threat assessment - a big guy who just tried to take your gun and is standing ~25' away is still a major threat.
Finally, when Wilson opened fire again, Brown only had a graze wound on his thumb. Hardly a disabling shot.

 

[Derec]

Anyway, the arm wound occurred during the struggle at the SUV.

He was shot in the thumb (graze wound actually) while at/in the police SUV. The other shots to the arm occurred during the second phase of the incident, after Brown ran and then turned around at 25'. For non-Americans, 25' is ~7.5m, which is not a big distance at all, less than the length of two Ford Fiestas.

 

[Toni]

Note to self: When surrendering to a police officer, it is imperative to keep arms fully extended over head, palms facing the officer(s) to demonstrate that I am posing no threat, no matter how many times I am struck by bullets.

Not walking toward the officer while supposedly surrendering would help too.
Also you have to consider the officer's real time threat assessment - a big guy who just tried to take your gun and is standing ~25' away is still a major threat.
Finally, when Wilson opened fire again, Brown only had a graze wound on his thumb. Hardly a disabling shot.

Wow. Just....wow.

 

[Axulus]

Note to self: When surrendering to a police officer, it is imperative to keep arms fully extended over head, palms facing the officer(s) to demonstrate that I am posing no threat, no matter how many times I am struck by bullets.

Not walking toward the officer while supposedly surrendering would help too.
Also you have to consider the officer's real time threat assessment - a big guy who just tried to take your gun and is standing ~25' away is still a major threat.
Finally, when Wilson opened fire again, Brown only had a graze wound on his thumb. Hardly a disabling shot.

And don't forget had just tried to wrestle control of your gun away causing two shots to go off inside your SUV (the cop would've essentially had hearing loss after that and would be disoriented as a result).

 

[HaRaAYaH]

More weasling. Apparently anything to discredit the eyewitnesses. If we base prosecutions on what black people say, chaos ensues.

If you read the article you will see there are as many as SEVEN AFRICAN AMERICAN WITNESSES who corroborate the policeman's story but have not spoken publicly for fear of retribution. So you are correct if they choose not to indict based on the testimoney of SEVEN AFRICAN AMERICAN WITNESSES all hell will break loose. What we have here is the need for vengeance.....

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Him throwing his hands in the air before he was shot is highly disputed.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch late Tuesday night published Brown’s official county autopsy report, an analysis of which also suggests the 18-year-old may not have had his hands raised when he was fatally shot, as has been the contention of protesters who have demanded Wilson’s arrest.

Victor W. Weedn, chairman of the George Washington University Department of Forensic Sciences, said the autopsy report raises doubts about whether Brown’s hands were raised at the time of the shooting but is not conclusive.

“Somebody could have raised their hands way above their head and lowered their hands and then be shot,” Weedn said. “So an autopsy will never rule out that the hands were above the head. It can only say what happened at the time of the shooting. . . . With the graze to the right arm, it appears the arm was in a vertical position, suggesting that it was closer to down by his side, but it could have been higher.”

The officer claimed that Brown fought for the gun and two shots were fired, which is consistent with the evidence:

The officer said he reached for his gun to defend himself, but Brown grabbed it and only let go after it fired twice. Two casings from Wilson’s gun were recovered from the police SUV, the sources said.

Then, according to the officer, Brown turned and moved toward the officer (and did not surrender _before_ he was shot, the surrender only happened _after_, if at all, consistent with the autopsy report).

After he was shot in the altercation at the vehicle, Brown fled with Johnson, and Wilson testified that he ordered Brown to stop and lower himself to the ground. Instead, Brown turned and moved toward the officer. Wilson said he feared Brown, who was 6-foot-4 and weighed nearly 300 pounds, would overpower him so he repeatedly fired his gun.

Brown was shot at least six times, according to all three autopsies that have been conducted.

The autopsy says that Brown was shot in the forehead, twice in the chest and once in the upper right arm. The fatal wound on top of Brown’s head indicates that he was leaning or falling forward and the path of a sixth shot, which hit Brown’s forearm and traveled from the back of his arm to his inner arm, means Brown’s palms were not facing Wilson in an act of surrender, according to analysts cited by the Post-Dispatch.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...38c7b4-5964-11e4-bd61-346aee66ba29_story.html

There's weaseling in this story. If MB was falling when the last and fatal shot was fired into his head, it makes sense that his arms weren't raised. That doesn't conflict with his arms being up before he started to go down.

The shot to the arm was also inconsistent with it being raised. We also don't know what the seven witnesses have to say because they fear for their safety.

More weasling. Apparently anything to discredit the eyewitnesses. If we base prosecutions on what black people say, chaos ensues.

Anyway, the arm wound occurred during the struggle at the SUV. Obviously, an arm stuck through a window can not also be simultaneously raised over the head.

I said it was highly disputed, not that it didn't happen. You are trying to find any way to make it possible, which is no where near solid enough to convict someone.

- - - Updated - - -

I will ask again

When the fatal shots were fired, where was Michael Brown and what was he doing? Was Officer Wilson in danger when he fired the fatal shots?

Wilson claims that Brown was charging at him. Being tall and almost 300 pounds, he feared he would be overpowered (like he almost was previously when two shots were fired inside his SUV as Brown tried to wrestle control of the gun from Wilson). According to the Post, 7 black eyewitnesses have provided testimony consistent with this (but have not gone public because they fear the mob is a risk to their safety), and the autopsy report is consistent with Brown not having raised up his arms in surrender when shot.

And other black witnesses say different

(if color is relevant and redeeming, then I assume all blackness is equal in righteousness)

In other words, its disputed what exactly happened, and there is no forensic evidence consistent with the raising arms up in surrender before being shot. Evidence is not solid enough to go to trial, and the grand jury should rightfully let him off.

The color of the witnesses is relevant because if they were white their testimony would be discounted as being riddled with racial bias.

White like THESE witnesses

 

[Roller]

People quote posts the right way! I can't follow shit!


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[Derec]

You do recall that whole "words have meaning quip of yours?

Yes, and pushing the store owner/clerk fulfills the meaning of "forcibly".

Feel free to cite a lawyer or officer that claims as such.

I already did. Feel free to cite the same to the claim that this was mere "petty theft" and not robbery.

He didn't attack the officer, it is being claimed that he tried to kill the officer.

Trying to kill somebody doesn't count as attacking them?

No... I'd be pointing out your claim with regards to THC being in his system and what you were claiming it would result in.

The Washington Post article suggests that the THC level in his blood was so high that he might have been hallucinating.
In any case THC does have an effect on consciousness and behavior and it's not all munchies and "have you really looked at your hand?" stuff either.

So they didn't use the term "second degree robbery"?

Now you are getting purposely obtuse.
You can slice the robbery pie different ways. Strongarm robbery is a type of robbery, not a type of theft, which means that your "petty theft" is already wrong.
Strongarm robbery merely means a robbery without a use of a weapon. It can be 1st or 2nd degree robbery depending on injuries. Had Brown punched the store clerk and say broke his nose it would have been first degree robbery but still strongarm robbery. Had he held up the place with a gun (even a realistic toy gun) it would have been first degree robbery but not strongarm robbery.
Now had he been arrested without attacking Wilson he might have plead it down to a misdemeanor theft but that doesn't change the fact that what he did fulfills the definition for 2nd degree robbery.

]This is the Trayvon Martin thing all over again.

How so?

A criminal when confronted chooses to:
A: Run like hell and evade capture
B: For some reason try to attack officer

A makes a lot more sense than B.

Yet many criminals choose to do B. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that it didn't happen in this case.

False dichotomy.

A false dichotomy implies that there are more than two viable options. I do not see a third viable option that fits the known facts, such as Brown being shot in the thumb from a very close range and getting blood all over the gun, Wilson's uniform and the car interior. If you can think of one, please share.

 

[AthenaAwakened]

Mixing up Trayvon Martin with Michael Brown, speaking about the store incident as if it happened at the scene of the shooting or that Officer Wilson even knew about it, and trying desperately hard to make the killing of black men and boys right and righteous always doesn't get you to where you want to be because it does not answer the question

Where was MB when the fatal shot was fired and what was he doing?

 

[Derec]

Mixing up Trayvon Martin with Michael Brown,

That would be Jimmy Higgins.

This is the Trayvon Martin thing all over again.

speaking about the store incident as if it happened at the scene of the shooting or that Officer Wilson even knew about it,

The store incident happened a short time before and a short distance away. It's not like it was Brown's youthful indiscretion and thus irrelevant here.
Whether or not Wilson knew about it or not, Brown definitely did know about it and that would have affected his behavior.

Where was MB when the fatal shot was fired and what was he doing?

It is unclear whether he was trying to surrender or to charge at the officer.
However, it is very likely that he had attacked Wilson moments before at the SUV and went for his gun, which would have put Wilson into a very high level of alertness. And 25' is less than the length of two Ford Fiestas. Not much of a distance for the perp to cover if he wanted to attack.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Yes, and pushing the store owner/clerk fulfills the meaning of "forcibly".

Feel free to cite a lawyer or officer that claims as such.

I already did. Feel free to cite the same to the claim that this was mere "petty theft" and not robbery.

You cited code, you didn't cite someone saying that was the understood interpretation of "forcibly".

He didn't attack the officer, it is being claimed that he tried to kill the officer.

Trying to kill somebody doesn't count as attacking them?

Trying to kill someone crosses this above another threshold. IE, why would Brown try to kill a cop instead of run away... over a box of cigars?

No... I'd be pointing out your claim with regards to THC being in his system and what you were claiming it would result in.

The Washington Post article suggests that the THC level in his blood was so high that he might have been hallucinating.
In any case THC does have an effect on consciousness and behavior and it's not all munchies and "have you really looked at your hand?" stuff either.

So he was tripping then? And he thought that a large hamburger told them to stop jaywalking, so he went for the burger's gun because burgers shouldn't have them? If he was tripping like that, would he even know that he stole anything?

So they didn't use the term "second degree robbery"?

Now you are getting purposely obtuse.

No. "Second degree robbery" is a specific charge. You seem to have issues between when subjective and objective terminology and judgement is appropriate.

You can slice the robbery pie different ways. Strongarm robbery is a type of robbery, not a type of theft, which means that your "petty theft" is already wrong.
Strongarm robbery merely means a robbery without a use of a weapon. It can be 1st or 2nd degree robbery depending on injuries. Had Brown punched the store clerk and say broke his nose it would have been first degree robbery but still strongarm robbery. Had he held up the place with a gun (even a realistic toy gun) it would have been first degree robbery but not strongarm robbery.
Now had he been arrested without attacking Wilson he might have plead it down to a misdemeanor theft but that doesn't change the fact that what he did fulfills the definition for 2nd degree robbery.

You are just claiming that still. So where is the citation? You aren't a lawyer.

]This is the Trayvon Martin thing all over again.

How so?

He got caught doing something wrong, and instead of simply fleeing... he confronts and tries to kill. The narrative is the same.

Yet many criminals choose to do B. Just because it doesn't make sense to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen or that it didn't happen in this case.

No. Many criminals don't choose B.

False dichotomy.

A false dichotomy implies that there are more than two viable options. I do not see a third viable option that fits the known facts...

And that misunderstanding of yours is why you committed a false dichotomy fallacy.

 

[ksen]

It is unclear whether he was trying to surrender or to charge at the officer.

You don't seem unclear about that at all . . . until Athena got you to address her question that is.

 

[Horatio Parker]

K

More weasling. Apparently anything to discredit the eyewitnesses. If we base prosecutions on what black people say, chaos ensues.

If you read the article you will see there are as many as SEVEN AFRICAN AMERICAN WITNESSES who corroborate the policeman's story but have not spoken publicly for fear of retribution. So you are correct if they choose not to indict based on the testimoney of SEVEN AFRICAN AMERICAN WITNESSES all hell will break loose. What we have here is the need for vengeance.....

According to an anonymous source, who is prohibited from speaking about the case. Nothing from the eyewitnesses themselves or, more importantly, how their testimony supports Wilson.

We've already seen how they're weaseling the forensics, why should one take their word on the testimony? If there were truly exculpatory testimony, I think we would've seen some evidence of it before now. The closest I can recall is some witnesses said MB took a step or two towards Wilson before collapsing, others called it "staggering".