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Michelle Obama is a sexist

 
 
 
Derec said:
Foxworthy's redneck humor is self-deprecating. So her using that format to ridicule men is not a good analogy.
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Just used that because it's an instantly recognizable joke format.
But male and female comedians deprecate men these days. And for a while now.
Thing is, it's funny to abuse the tops. It's a comedy standard. Poking fun at men is okay because men still tend to be in charge, in business and politics and other venues.

Making fun of the bottoms is further victimizing someone who's already victimized. That's why clowns get more laughs for putting a cream pie in the face of a pompous banker than in the face of a little kid in a wheelchair. That's just mean.

Yes, society tends to approve of these sort of jokes. But not because 'women can do no wrong.' Once the revolution comes and the feminazis run everything, then the survivors will eventually be telling feminist jokes.
 
Derec said:
And for the last half century or so western men have been told they are not as smart as women.
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where are men told this Derec? outside of standup routines and sitcoms (written mostly by men) where?
But of course you think that kind of sexism is perfectly acceptable, even commendable. :rolleyes:
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keep your day job Derec. The mind reading act needs work, lots of work.
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laughing dog said:
I don't suppose you realize this, but your posts in this thread are supporting evidence for Michele Obama's jocular claim.
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I don't suppose you realize this but resorting to cheap personal attacks shows clearly you have no reasoned arguments to offer. But hey, what else's new?
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:facepalm:
 
Derec said:
I don't suppose you realize this but resorting to cheap personal attacks shows clearly you have no reasoned arguments to offer. But hey, what else's new?
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A number of posters had already pointed it was a joke, and that is similar in nature to hundreds of jokes told by comics and people. So, it was not a personal attack but a humorous attempt to show that your position has no empirical or logical merit.

Given the nature of the OP, I should have realized your incapacity for appreciating humorous replies but you surprised me with your deeply satirical observation that you could recognize a reasoned argument.
 
Okay, Derec. Your long quest is over at last. After years of searching and toil you have finally found an instance of a woman saying something sexist.

You can finally rest.

I can't imagine the sense of relief and accomplishment this must bring you.
 
Why are you so hung up on men's rights all the time in every thread that has any type of connection at all with gender?

  • Women were systematically oppressed for all of recorded history
  • Now some people advocate for women's rights
  • Sometimes women are irrational about it
  • Sometimes men are irrational about it

The least you can do is at least try to minimize your bias on these types of issues.
 
Derec said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
So what part about this being a joke did you not get. Was it what she said or the laughter after it that makes it hard to understand that this was a joke.
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Claiming it was a "joke" does nothing for her sexist and for the blatant double standard because if any man joked that "men are smarter than women" he'd be promptly accused of misogyny and pressured to resign any position he held.
But, as usual, women can do no wrong. :rolleyes:
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Exactly... well, no, not really. The truth is that some jokes require a proper set up. If you want to go the angle of men are smarter than women, you need to have a proper set up.
AthenaAwakened said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
So what part about this being a joke did you not get. Was it what she said or the laughter after it that makes it hard to understand that this was a joke.
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well, uh, actually...

For millenia women were told they were not as smart as men. Most women on this planet still are told that.

and it's no joke.
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For fuck sakes! She told a joke. The people laughed. End of story. Taking this any further is ridiculously out of the scope of what was intended with her statement.
 
You know, it just struck me how far things have gone in the last couple of decades. The wife of a nation's leader is talking to the wives of the leaders of other nations and the press pounces on something she actually said.

Not the dress she wore to the conference, or how they chose to do her hair.
 
Derec said:
And for the last half century or so western men have been told they are not as smart as women. But of course you think that kind of sexism is perfectly acceptable, even commendable. :rolleyes:
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Would you care to cite specific cases, both academic and media?
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
Derec said:
Claiming it was a "joke" does nothing for her sexist and for the blatant double standard because if any man joked that "men are smarter than women" he'd be promptly accused of misogyny and pressured to resign any position he held.
But, as usual, women can do no wrong. :rolleyes:
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Exactly... well, no, not really. The truth is that some jokes require a proper set up. If you want to go the angle of men are smarter than women, you need to have a proper set up.
AthenaAwakened said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
So what part about this being a joke did you not get. Was it what she said or the laughter after it that makes it hard to understand that this was a joke.
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well, uh, actually...

For millenia women were told they were not as smart as men. Most women on this planet still are told that.

and it's no joke.
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For fuck sakes! She told a joke. The people laughed. End of story. Taking this any further is ridiculously out of the scope of what was intended with her statement.
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uh, actually, I was agreeing with you and making the comment to Derec.
 
Perhaps Derec, being a man, missed the obvious sarcasm meant as humor. It's not his fault he has testicles! Furthermore, he's white, and that means he just doesn't understand Michelle's cryptic use of black humor.

Seriously though. Derec, between the multitude of threads and their content, it was long ago many took you seriously. You have too much of an axe to grind. It's leaning towards Rush Limbaugh levels of impotent rage.
 
I would simply ask her on what evidence she based that remark. Does she have some sort of research study or is she just being sexist? If she does have research and she believes it is compelling, then that isn't an unfairly sexist thing to say.

If she doesn't have such research, is she responding in parody to somebody who said men are smarter than women (context does matter), or is she just encouraging females to feel superior? If the latter, does she feel that declaring superiority of one gender over another is a proper thing for a public figure associated with the leader of the country to do?

I would not simply dismiss it as a joke out of hand at first glance, just as I would not simply dismiss any other claim of superiority of a race or gender out of hand.
 
Jolly_Penguin said:
I would simply ask her on what evidence she based that remark. Does she have some sort of research study or is she just being sexist? If she does have research and she believes it is compelling, then that isn't an unfairly sexist thing to say.

If she doesn't have such research, is she responding in parody to somebody who said men are smarter than women (context does matter), or is she just encouraging females to feel superior? If the latter, does she feel that declaring superiority of one gender over another is a proper thing for a public figure associated with the leader of the country to do?

I would not simply dismiss it as a joke out of hand at first glance, just as I would not simply dismiss any other claim of superiority of a race or gender out of hand.
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so you would use a throw away one-liner to troll the First Lady of the United States? You would stand up in front of a packed house full of her supporters and admirers not to mention reporters and cameras and interrogate her on her beliefs about the inherent intelligence of the sexes? And you think doing this will make you look smart? Maybe you think it will make her look dumb? And those secret service agents who will be making their way towards you, how do you think they will look?
 
Breaking news: people say meaningless things that can be interpreted as offensive sometimes.
 
If it was a flippant remark with no backing and not a parody response to anything, then yes, Athena, I would.

Derec has a point about the double standard. If a male politician (or husband of the president) said this about women you would not have the same dismissive tone.

And saying "It was a joke" is the last refuge of all sorts of bigotry. It is the sort of thing I'd expect to hear from the Ann Coulters of the world, not the Michelle Obamas.
 
Women are allowed to make jokes like that because they were oppressed for all of human history. Men are not for the same reason.
 
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