Michigan militia members arrested for planning kidnap of Governor Whitmire

[fromderinside]

 Michigan Militia

The Michigan Militia is a paramilitary Michigan-based organization founded in 1994 by Norman Olson, a veteran of the US Air Force.^[9] The group was formed in response to perceived encroachments by the federal government on the rights of citizens. It is part of a wider militia movement.^[

 Posse Comitatus (Organization)

The Posse Comitatus (Latin, "force of the county")^[1] was a loosely organized, far-rightpopulistsocial movement in the United States starting in the late 1960s, whose members spread a conspiracy-minded, anti-government and anti-Semitic message in the name of white Christians to counter what they believe is an attack on their social and political rights.^[2]

Many Posse members practice survivalism and played a role in the formation of the armed citizens' militias in the 1990s. The Posse Comitatus pioneered the use of false liens and other types of "paper terrorism" to harass opponents with frivolous legal actions

 

[cycomiko]

Meanwhile these idiots wanted 200 people involved in the storming. How in the fucking blue hell do you keep something like that secret with 200 people involved!?

Pick 200 angry nuns that have taken a vow of silence?

I'd watch that movie. Danny Trejo seeking revenge on the governor for killing his wife and daughter recruits 200 silent, shotgun wielding nuns to storm the capitol and fuck up everyone in their path.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Meanwhile these idiots wanted 200 people involved in the storming. How in the fucking blue hell do you keep something like that secret with 200 people involved!?

Why you gotta be like that? A terrorist can dream, after all...

The funny part is they planned to storm the wrong building. At that point, it becomes a Monty Python sketch.

Terrorist: Get out of our way! We came here for that Bitch Governor .
Receptionist on phone: *holds a finger up*
Terrorists: *waiting impatiently*
Receptionist: *hangs up phone* How can I help you?
Terrorist: We've come for that bitch Governor!
Receptionist: *looks done at books* Mmm-hmm... do you have an appointment?
Terrorist: Wha... umm... no...
Another Terrorist: We'd don't need a fucking appointment, this is a liberation.
Terrorists: YEAH!!!!!
Receptionist: Well, it wouldn't be fair to all those other militias over there that have been waiting patiently and did schedule an appointment.
*pans to a few groups of hundled militias waiting, reading magazines*
Terrorist: But we mean business! We want to try her for her crimes and execute her.
Terrorist Group B member: Oh... and our trial for her means nothing?
Terrorist Group B member: Yeah, you think you can just waltz in, cut in line, abduct the Governor, put her on trial and execute her.
Terrorist Group C member: It is like everyone has gone mad! There used to be principals in Governor abduction/murders. Militias just think they can barge, make with their own brand of justice. We've been planning this for months, and look at the respect from this group of people.
Terrorist: *humbled* Well... we didn't mean anything personally.
Terrorist Group D member: It still hurts our feelings. That bitch Governor ruined all of our lives.
Terrorists: *all nodding in agreement*
Terrorist: Well, alright, how do we schedule our insurrection?
Receptionist: I need you to sign this agreement stating your full known knowledge and consent to being involved in a plot to abduct the Governor... yeah... you each need to sign this.
Terrorists: *handing around form*
Receptionist: Okay, looking in here, if you are in a rush, you can wait in line here until the police arrive.
Terrorist: What?!
Receptionist: You can just wait in line over there and when we are ready for your insurrection, we'll let you know.

15 minutes later, police arrive, taking everyone into custody.

Paddy Wagon vans stuffed full of militias driving away with militias singing You'll Never Walk Alone.

 

[Alcoholic Actuary]

Now it turns out these goobers were planning to kill cops. Why? False flag operation? Stir up the cops to get rougher with BLM members and protesters?

Meanwhile Orangutan Barr swears at a hearing he knew nothing about this operation from the FBI to stop the murder of Gretchen Whitmire. Kind of wonder why Barr doesn't bother to find out from the FBI and other experts what operations are ongoing against right wing terrorism threats. Thank FSM he will be out when Biden is elected.

Federal Government: 2 Anti-government militia: 0

The only goal these idiots are going to achieve is suicide.

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[ZiprHead]

What's your source for this being a right wing militia? Does the group have a name, I wonder?

EDIT: Their ideology seems to be rather confusing.

Really? REALLY???

 

[skepticalbip]

What's your source for this being a right wing militia? Does the group have a name, I wonder?

EDIT: Their ideology seems to be rather confusing.

I think their name is the "Wolverine Watchmen". The label "right wing" seems to be a bit arbitrary. They, like antifa, are militantly anti-government and see police as oppressive jack-booted thugs. What they want is probably different from antifa and their tactics definitely are. While this groups tactics are to attack government officials, antifa's tactics is to intimidate average citizens and destroy their shops.

 

[fromderinside]

What's your source for this being a right wing militia? Does the group have a name, I wonder?

EDIT: Their ideology seems to be rather confusing.

Read the OP articles. You'll find that Wolverine Watchmen are a sub group of Michigan Militia. Michigan Militia arouse from dissatisfied Michigan right wingers who were encouraged to form military group with funding from Posse Comitatus. a right wing organization started in Portland Oregon in the late sixties. This seeding resulted in organizations in over 20 states by eighties and early nineties.

Those of us interested in succoring internationalism and things like the UN and European Union were confronted by another national right wing group started by a Robert Welch in 1958 called the John Birch Society which preached hard over isolation, limited government, and corporatism.

 

[Derec]

 Michigan Militia

 Posse Comitatus (Organization)

There are violent extremist organizations on both Left and Right. The difference is that the mainstream Right is not glorifying and supporting these extremists the way the Left is doing.

Take for example the Women's March celebrating the left-wing terrorist (with the  Black Liberation Army) and murderer Joanne Chesimard.

She is also glorified by the "Black Lives Matter" movement and some Democratic state senators in Arizona.

How many conservatives lionize organizations such as Posse Comitatus? But many so-called "liberals" and "progressives" lionize Black Panthers, BLA and Weather Underground ...

 

[bilby]

 Michigan Militia

 Posse Comitatus (Organization)

There are violent extremist organizations on both Left and Right. The difference is that the mainstream Right is not glorifying and supporting these extremists the way the Left is doing.

Take for example the Women's March celebrating the left-wing terrorist (with the  Black Liberation Army) and murderer Joanne Chesimard.

She is also glorified by the "Black Lives Matter" movement and some Democratic state senators in Arizona.

How many conservatives lionize organizations such as Posse Comitatus? But many so-called "liberals" and "progressives" lionize Black Panthers, BLA and Weather Underground ...

The other key difference is in the number and violence of attacks by each wing. The right wing perform terrorist acts FAR more frequently than the left, and tend to be more violent and destructive when they do.

Saying "We support such-and-such a terrorist" is not directly comparable to blowing up federal employees and government property.

Indeed, making statements of support for, and even glorifying, terrorist individuals or groups is constitutionally protected speech. Actual terrorism is not.

 

[skepticalbip]

 Michigan Militia

 Posse Comitatus (Organization)

There are violent extremist organizations on both Left and Right. The difference is that the mainstream Right is not glorifying and supporting these extremists the way the Left is doing.

Take for example the Women's March celebrating the left-wing terrorist (with the  Black Liberation Army) and murderer Joanne Chesimard.

She is also glorified by the "Black Lives Matter" movement and some Democratic state senators in Arizona.

How many conservatives lionize organizations such as Posse Comitatus? But many so-called "liberals" and "progressives" lionize Black Panthers, BLA and Weather Underground ...

I am confused how this particular group is labeled "right wing". My understanding of the label, right wing, is strong support for the government in power and the police. The label would fit the Proud Boys with the additional labels of extreme and militant. This militia group that was planning the attack is strongly anti-government and think of the police as oppressive jack-booted thugs (pretty much the same position on authorities as antifa has). They could rightly be labeled as revolutionaries or just plain nuts.

 

[Derec]

The other key difference is in the number and violence of attacks by each wing. The right wing perform terrorist acts FAR more frequently than the left, and tend to be more violent and destructive when they do.

The left-wing extremists have been plenty destructive and murderous.

Saying "We support such-and-such a terrorist" is not directly comparable to blowing up federal employees and government property.

Nobody on the mainstream Right was ever defending Tim McVeigh. Nobody was advocating that he should be released on parole. Instead, he got the death penalty. But terrorist murderer Anthony Bottom is about to be released on parole in NY. Nobody wanted him to be a professor at a US university. But Kathy Boudin, who participated in the murderous BLA/Weather Underground bank robbery and communist Angela Davis, who procured weapons for the Marin County Courthouse Massacre (perpetrated for the purpose of freeing her boyfriend, George Jackson, from prison) and many other left-wing terrorists became professors at universities such as University of California Santa Cruz and Columbia (which ironically Kathy Boudin once tried to bomb). That includes several Black Panthers who tortured and murdered one of their own members named Alex Rackley.

PBS is not making biased documentaries favorable to any right wing terrorist groups, but they did make a recent one favorable to Black Panthers.

Indeed, making statements of support for, and even glorifying, terrorist individuals or groups is constitutionally protected speech. Actual terrorism is not.

Including terrorism by Wesley Cook, Joanne Chesimard, Hubert Brown, Kathy Boudin and other left-wing terrorists that are being glorified, especially in left-wing academia and media.


These idiots in Michigan will rightly spend a long time in prison. But academia and media will not glorify them. PBS will not wax poetic about their idealism. They will not be paroled early or given cushy and well-paid professorships at universities. That's the difference between right and left wing extremism in the US.

 

[Derec]

I am confused how this particular group is labeled "right wing". My understanding of the label, right wing, is strong support for the government in power and the police. The label would fit the Proud Boys with the additional labels of extreme and militant. This militia group that was planning the attack is strongly anti-government and think of the police as oppressive jack-booted thugs (pretty much the same position on authorities as antifa has). They could rightly be labeled as revolutionaries or just plain nuts.

Good point! I didn't really look into their guiding ideology. But hey, if copies of the Little Red Book or of the Communist Manifesto are found in their hideout, I suspect they will promptly gain defenders in the media and academia, not to mention among Women's March organizers.

 

[bilby]

The left-wing extremists have been plenty destructive and murderous.

I never suggested otherwise. But it's disingenuous in the extreme to imply that they've been equally destructive and murderous.

Nobody on the mainstream Right was ever defending Tim McVeigh. Nobody was advocating that he should be released on parole. Instead, he got the death penalty. But terrorist murderer Anthony Bottom is about to be released on parole in NY. Nobody wanted him to be a professor at a US university. But Kathy Boudin, who participated in the murderous BLA/Weather Underground bank robbery and communist Angela Davis, who procured weapons for the Marin County Courthouse Massacre (perpetrated for the purpose of freeing her boyfriend, George Jackson, from prison) and many other left-wing terrorists became professors at universities such as University of California Santa Cruz and Columbia (which ironically Kathy Boudin once tried to bomb). That includes several Black Panthers who tortured and murdered one of their own members named Alex Rackley.

PBS is not making biased documentaries favorable to any right wing terrorist groups, but they did make a recent one favorable to Black Panthers.

Indeed, making statements of support for, and even glorifying, terrorist individuals or groups is constitutionally protected speech. Actual terrorism is not.

Including terrorism by Wesley Cook, Joanne Chesimard, Hubert Brown, Kathy Boudin and other left-wing terrorists that are being glorified, especially in left-wing academia and media.


These idiots in Michigan will rightly spend a long time in prison. But academia and media will not glorify them. PBS will not wax poetic about their idealism. They will not be paroled early or given cushy and well-paid professorships at universities. That's the difference between right and left wing extremism in the US.

No, that's a difference. To suggest that it is the most important or only difference is simply false.

And again, glorifying anyone, or expressing support for them, is a constitutional right.

You don't have to like it, but you are wasting your time if you are trying to persuade those reading your posts that this is an equivalently immoral act with killing people and destroying property.

 

[scombrid]

 Michigan Militia

 Posse Comitatus (Organization)

There are violent extremist organizations on both Left and Right. The difference is that the mainstream Right is not glorifying and supporting these extremists the way the Left is doing.

Take for example the Women's March celebrating the left-wing terrorist (with the  Black Liberation Army) and murderer Joanne Chesimard.

She is also glorified by the "Black Lives Matter" movement and some Democratic state senators in Arizona.

How many conservatives lionize organizations such as Posse Comitatus? But many so-called "liberals" and "progressives" lionize Black Panthers, BLA and Weather Underground ...

I am confused how this particular group is labeled "right wing". My understanding of the label, right wing, is strong support for the government in power and the police. The label would fit the Proud Boys with the additional labels of extreme and militant. This militia group that was planning the attack is strongly anti-government and think of the police as oppressive jack-booted thugs (pretty much the same position on authorities as antifa has). They could rightly be labeled as revolutionaries or just plain nuts.

Cliven Bundy and his clan come to mind. Plenty of the right wing are violently anti-government; until they are the government.

 

[scombrid]

Alex Jones made a lot of money with his right wing anti-government theories. These are right wingers that see her as SOROS! NWO material.

 

[ZiprHead]

Cliven Bundy and his clan come to mind. Plenty of the right wing are violently anti-government; until they are the government.

This is the crux of the biscuit.

{Frank Zappa reference.}

 

[Elixir]

The left-wing extremists have been plenty destructive and murderous.

.... proceeds to bring up the SLA and other lib'rul horrors FROM A HALF CENTURY AGO.

 

[southernhybrid]

Militias and white supremacy are to my knowledge always associated with the right wing. If nothing else, militias are obsessed with their guns, which is a right wing thing. Gun toting liberals don't start militias. But wait, perhaps a link will help.

https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7

New research, based on almost 900 politically-motivated plots and murders in the US since 1994, found only one person's death in the last 25 years was linked to "antifa" or anti-fascists, and the person who died was the attacker.
In comparison, over that same period, 329 murders were linked to the far-right.
When the label was broadened from anti-fascists to left-wing violence, it found 21 victims had been killed since 2010, compared to 117 in right-wing violence in the same time period.
Jihadist groups were responsible for 95 people's deaths since 2010.
The database, which was compiled by a thinktank called the Center for Strategic and International Studies, was launched after Trump's administration spent several months stoking the possibility of left-wing violence, especially during the George Floyd protests.

Nobody is claiming that there's never been left wing terrorism. The claims is that the right wing terrorist groups are currently the biggest terrorist threat in the US.

Seth Jones, a counter-terrorism expert, who helped create the dataset, told The Guardian: "Left-wing violence has not been a major terrorism threat."
He said: "The most significant domestic terrorism threat comes from white supremacists, anti-government militias and a handful of individuals associated with the 'boogaloo' movement that are attempting to create a civil war in the United States."

 

[Harry Bosch]

The left-wing extremists have been plenty destructive and murderous.


Nobody on the mainstream Right was ever defending Tim McVeigh. Nobody was advocating that he should be released on parole. Instead, he got the death penalty. But terrorist murderer Anthony Bottom is about to be released on parole in NY. Nobody wanted him to be a professor at a US university. But Kathy Boudin, who participated in the murderous BLA/Weather Underground bank robbery and communist Angela Davis, who procured weapons for the Marin County Courthouse Massacre (perpetrated for the purpose of freeing her boyfriend, George Jackson, from prison) and many other left-wing terrorists became professors at universities such as University of California Santa Cruz and Columbia (which ironically Kathy Boudin once tried to bomb). That includes several Black Panthers who tortured and murdered one of their own members named Alex Rackley.

PBS is not making biased documentaries favorable to any right wing terrorist groups, but they did make a recent one favorable to Black Panthers.

Indeed, making statements of support for, and even glorifying, terrorist individuals or groups is constitutionally protected speech. Actual terrorism is not.

Including terrorism by Wesley Cook, Joanne Chesimard, Hubert Brown, Kathy Boudin and other left-wing terrorists that are being glorified, especially in left-wing academia and media.


These idiots in Michigan will rightly spend a long time in prison. But academia and media will not glorify them. PBS will not wax poetic about their idealism. They will not be paroled early or given cushy and well-paid professorships at universities. That's the difference between right and left wing extremism in the US.

Buddy. I'm with you. Antifa are a bunch of asswipes. They certainly help the right wing cause than help the left wing. However, they are mostly harmless. They might be responsible for what, four or five attacks over the last few years. Right wing terrorists have killed thousands of Americans (McVeigh being the worst, but not the only). They have attacked thousands of people. Intimidated people. You can't honestly compare the two.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

 Michigan Militia

 Posse Comitatus (Organization)

There are violent extremist organizations on both Left and Right. The difference is that the mainstream Right is not glorifying and supporting these extremists the way the Left is doing.

Take for example the Women's March celebrating the left-wing terrorist (with the  Black Liberation Army) and murderer Joanne Chesimard.

She is also glorified by the "Black Lives Matter" movement and some Democratic state senators in Arizona.

How many conservatives lionize organizations such as Posse Comitatus? But many so-called "liberals" and "progressives" lionize Black Panthers, BLA and Weather Underground ...

The ones on the right aren't so open about their support, but it's there--and it's far more serious because it translates to actual action. The right wing thugs are getting active support from the police and the government.