Movement for Black Lives releases its agenda

[Jolly_Penguin]

It has become ridiculously transparent. They do want fair treatment, as well as free stuff, but only for themselves. They dont gibe a fuck about Hispanics or natives or homosexuals, and they view Indians and asians as all being privileged overlords along with white people.

Actually if you go into the detailed web pages there is an extraordinary level of concern for LGBT rights. A surprise, given, black people in general skew more anti-gay than most people.

After they held up a gay pride parade and interrupted a public apology by police to the gay community here in Toronto, I'm not buying it.

 

[dismal]

Actually if you go into the detailed web pages there is an extraordinary level of concern for LGBT rights. A surprise, given, black people in general skew more anti-gay than most people.

After they held up a gay pride parade and interrupted a public apology by police to the gay community here in Toronto, I'm not buying it.

If you are questioning my assertion that the detailed pages showed a high level of concern for LGBT rights, I can provide examples.

If you are questioning whether the platform "is representative of what black people in general think" versus "has been hijacked by left wing academics" then I am right there with you.

It is not my understanding, for example, that black people in general were particularly against the burning of fossil fuels.

 

[Trausti]

These people are fucking twits. Don't know who they hired to do their focus groups, but they desperately need competent consultants.

 

[Metaphor]

If you are questioning my assertion that the detailed pages showed a high level of concern for LGBT rights, I can provide examples.

A high level of concern for LGBT rights, if the LGBT person is black.

 

[whichphilosophy]

These people are fucking twits. Don't know who they hired to do their focus groups, but they desperately need competent consultants.

There are non whites in a lot of high paid jobs in London, increasingly due to positive discrimination. There are numerous non white police and community officers. This is obstructing traffic and preventing people from going to work or travelling. Never BLM other lives matter too, or is that racist as determined in one USA campus?

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

If you are questioning my assertion that the detailed pages showed a high level of concern for LGBT rights, I can provide examples.

A high level of concern for LGBT rights, if the LGBT person is black.

Exactly. BLM does a disservice to everyone, including black people.

 

[ApostateAbe]

https://policy.m4bl.org/end-war-on-black-people/

Process: This would require passage of a bill through both houses of Congress and signed by the President. The Bill would repeal all federal juvenile crimes and amend the Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Prevention Act. It would also provide incentives to states, including the tying of federal prison and policing grants, to adopt statutes that ban the prosecution of children under the age 23. The bill would also include a mandatory reinvestment strategy where federal and state savings would be captured and reinvested in programs shown to reduce juvenile crime, increase youth educational attainment and support communities where youth incarceration has been most prevalent.​

They want to ban the prosecution of anyone college-aged or under. Below the age of 23, they would like to make everyone immune from the law, because, and I quote, "...children under the age of 23 do not have fully-developed brains..." They are just naturally criminal, so they shouldn't be jailed. These activists can not be taken seriously by reasonable people. They are hopeless lunatics.

 

[NMN]

A complete and total failure to confront the number one killer of blacks: other blacks.

 

[untermensche]

A complete and total failure to confront the number one killer of blacks: other blacks.

The real killer is poverty and oppression.

 

[GenesisNemesis]

A complete and total failure to confront the number one killer of blacks: other blacks.

The real killer is poverty and oppression.

How dare you bring any kind of empathy into the equation! What we need to do is completely ignore empathy. That'll fix poverty and oppression.

 

[laughing dog]

They want to ban the prosecution of anyone college-aged or under. Below the age of 23, they would like to make everyone immune from the law, because, and I quote, "...children under the age of 23 do not have fully-developed brains..." They are just naturally criminal, so they shouldn't be jailed.

It does not follow that if people do not have fully developed brains that they are naturally criminal. It simply means they believe that people under the age of 23 are not fully responsible for their actions. If they are not fully responsible, then should they be imprisoned? It is a legitimate question.

Now, you can disagree with their assessments. But it is unreasonable to claim they are claiming under-23 year olds are natural criminals.

These activists can not be taken seriously by reasonable people. They are hopeless lunatics.

That club is larger than you think.

 

[ApostateAbe]

It does not follow that if people do not have fully developed brains that they are naturally criminal. It simply means they believe that people under the age of 23 are not fully responsible for their actions. If they are not fully responsible, then should they be imprisoned? It is a legitimate question.

Now, you can disagree with their assessments. But it is unreasonable to claim they are claiming under-23 year olds are natural criminals.

These activists can not be taken seriously by reasonable people. They are hopeless lunatics.

That club is larger than you think.

If it is a legitimate question, then there is only one obvious answer: yes. A coherent perspective of the justice system is not about holding people responsible. It matters not who is "fully responsible" and who isn't. It is about deterring crime. It is about giving people an incentive to not kill, rape, attack, cheat, vandalize and steal. That is the immediate physical need of the justice system that has nothing to do with useless abstractions.

 

[ApostateAbe]

A complete and total failure to confront the number one killer of blacks: other blacks.

Among tribes, external threats are always taken many times more seriously than internal threats, and white cops are seen as an external threat against blacks. It is a problem that exists everywhere in group politics, i.e. Islamic terrorists are seen as a far more serious threat than swimming pools. I believe the claim of the external threat should be evaluated for its truth value, all the same.

A complete and total failure to confront the number one killer of blacks: other blacks.

The real killer is poverty and oppression.

There is little oppression, and the poverty is caused by heritable low intelligence. Black Americans have an average income the same as expected of whites with an average IQ of 85. This wouldn't be blaming blacks. Blame is useless for circumstances out of anyone's control. Nobody is to blame, including whites.

 

[untermensche]

Among tribes, external threats are always taken many times more seriously than internal threats, and white cops are seen as an external threat against blacks. It is a problem that exists everywhere in group politics, i.e. Islamic terrorists are seen as a far more serious threat than swimming pools. I believe the claim of the external threat should be evaluated for its truth value, all the same.

A complete and total failure to confront the number one killer of blacks: other blacks.

The real killer is poverty and oppression.

There is little oppression, and the poverty is caused by heritable low intelligence. Black Americans have an average income the same as expected of whites with an average IQ of 85. This wouldn't be blaming blacks. Blame is useless for circumstances out of anyone's control. Nobody is to blame, including whites.

Little oppression?

There have been centuries of massive oppression. As much oppression as can be placed on a group short of killing them. And this was oppression at the hands of despicable and disturbed whites.

Contrary to the ignorance of some, the effects of all this oppression do not disappear overnight. They do not disappear in a generation. They do not disappear from the oppressed or the oppressor.

And for the young black individual there is the oppression of substandard schools and harassment from the police and the oppression of the drug war and prison.

And the oppression of poverty.

Some of this oppression is the oppression all poor people face in an unjust society where the rich prey on the poor and live as parasites off others.

 

[JonA]

Among tribes, external threats are always taken many times more seriously than internal threats, and white cops are seen as an external threat against blacks. It is a problem that exists everywhere in group politics, i.e. Islamic terrorists are seen as a far more serious threat than swimming pools. I believe the claim of the external threat should be evaluated for its truth value, all the same.

A complete and total failure to confront the number one killer of blacks: other blacks.

The real killer is poverty and oppression.

There is little oppression, and the poverty is caused by heritable low intelligence.

I'm sure you have evidence for this.

And I'm sure that evidence properly rules out/accounts for the effect of poor education caused, in the US at least, by the down-right stupid system of public school funding.

Right?

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

https://policy.m4bl.org/

http://www.vox.com/2016/8/2/12341708/black-lives-matter-policy-platform

The agenda is built on six key platform proposals:

Ending the war on black people: This section of the platform focuses heavily on criminal justice reform to stop the systemic criminalization of black people. The demands include demilitarizing the police, ending the criminalization of black youth, and implementing anti-discrimination protections for black transgender, queer, and gender nonconforming people.

Reparations: Here the platform details ways to rectify the harms done to black people, including full and free access to quality education for black people, federal and state legislation to acknowledge long-term effects of slavery, and a guaranteed minimum livable income.

Invest-divest: The panel offers ways of redirect funds used to criminalize black people toward investing in black communities. The recommendations proposed include reallocating money for policing into local restorative justice services and employment programs and divesting in fossil fuels for local sustainable energy solutions.

Economic justice: This platform focuses on economic restructuring. In addition to proposing restructured tax codes to better redistribute wealth, the plan also demands the Glass-Steagall Act be restored to break up large banking institutions, protecting the rights for workers to unionize, and ending the privatization of natural resources.

Community control: This section focuses more specifically on ensuring that the community has control over institutions responsible for protecting and serving them. This includes giving communities the right to determine disciplinary actions for law enforcement at the local, state, and federal level and putting an end to privatized education policies for more democratically controlled school boards.

Political power: Along with addressing systemic issues, the platform makes the case for fostering black people’s right to exercise their full political power. In addition to decriminalizing political activities, this section demands protecting black people’s right to vote, taking money out of politics, and breaking down the digital divide through full access to technology and net neutrality.

A good start.

This just proves that BLM is exactly the same as the KKK.

[/sarcasm]

 

[Loren Pechtel]

A complete and total failure to confront the number one killer of blacks: other blacks.

The real killer is poverty and oppression.

You're missing the black-rights movement.

By absolving them of blame for the situation it keeps the problem from being solved and thus causes the murder of blacks--far more than are shot by the police.

 

[untermensche]

The real killer is poverty and oppression.

You're missing the black-rights movement.

By absolving them of blame for the situation it keeps the problem from being solved and thus causes the murder of blacks--far more than are shot by the police.

Do you ever wonder why there is a black rights movement?

 

[laughing dog]

It does not follow that if people do not have fully developed brains that they are naturally criminal. It simply means they believe that people under the age of 23 are not fully responsible for their actions. If they are not fully responsible, then should they be imprisoned? It is a legitimate question.

Now, you can disagree with their assessments. But it is unreasonable to claim they are claiming under-23 year olds are natural criminals.
That club is larger than you think.

If it is a legitimate question, then there is only one obvious answer: yes. A coherent perspective of the justice system is not about holding people responsible. It matters not who is "fully responsible" and who isn't. It is about deterring crime. It is about giving people an incentive to not kill, rape, attack, cheat, vandalize and steal. That is the immediate physical need of the justice system that has nothing to do with useless abstractions.

You need to answer that homing pigeon: the Middle Ages is calling you.

Deterrence works best when the people you wish to deter are fully rational and can understand the consequences of their actions (i.e. "responsible").

 

[ApostateAbe]

Among tribes, external threats are always taken many times more seriously than internal threats, and white cops are seen as an external threat against blacks. It is a problem that exists everywhere in group politics, i.e. Islamic terrorists are seen as a far more serious threat than swimming pools. I believe the claim of the external threat should be evaluated for its truth value, all the same.

A complete and total failure to confront the number one killer of blacks: other blacks.

The real killer is poverty and oppression.

There is little oppression, and the poverty is caused by heritable low intelligence.

I'm sure you have evidence for this.

And I'm sure that evidence properly rules out/accounts for the effect of poor education caused, in the US at least, by the down-right stupid system of public school funding.

Right?

Yes. The totality of the evidence is conclusive. Would you like to learn more?