Mueller investigation

[Copernicus]

I would not be so sure. There are certain factions in intelligence community which are hell bent on starting new cold war. But even taking that into account media distorted information coming from intelligence community. "17 agencies" and "high confidence" was interpreted by media as "Russian government conducted a cyberwarfare attack"
In reality of course it's not that clear at all. Reality is, there were no 17 agencies, just 3 and "high confidence" is not what public think it is. "High confidence" on a scale 1 to 10 is probably around 3, but media wants us to believe that it's "something enough to sentence suspect to death" level of confidence. Media utterly failed to report important details which would have allowed public to judge for themselves. They were just repeating "17 agencies, 17 agencies, 17 agencies" over and over again, when again in reality it appears that it all could be traced to a one man who had an axe to grind and money to make. In the russian oligarch&Trump mansion story Media also conveniently omitted rather interesting and important details which make whole story a complete bunk.

Barbos, nobody is fooled by your pro-Putin propaganda. The trail of evidence in the public media has now conveniently summarized by the Guardian: Trump-Russia investigation. The key questions answered. The criminal investigations will continue until Trump pulls the plug, which he looks likely to do. If he fails to stop Mueller, then his administration is going to go down. A more likely scenario is that he will pull the plug when Mueller gets too close. After that, there will be chaos. All good for your side, right? Either Putin gets his stooge in the White House, or he blows up as much of his enemy as he can.

Regarding the Alpha Bank controversy, there is still a lot of smoke there that suggests that there might be a fire. It is too early to dismiss it on the grounds that it has not been proven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Nope, there is absolutely no smoke. That's why media kinda "forgot" about it.

The lack of news in the public media does not clear the smoke away. All that means is that nothing new has come to the attention of the media that is worth reporting. Alfa bank is still very much a subject of interest in the criminal investigation.

 

[barbos]

Barbos, nobody is fooled by your pro-Putin propaganda.

Mmmm, OK.

The trail of evidence in the public media has now conveniently summarized by the Guardian: Trump-Russia investigation. The key questions answered. The criminal investigations will continue until Trump pulls the plug, which he looks likely to do. If he fails to stop Mueller, then his administration is going to go down.

Mueller does not really investigate russian meddling as much as Trump's transgressions. Certainly they don't touch topic of russian hacking, AlphaBank and Trump mansion. Just saying.

A more likely scenario is that he will pull the plug when Mueller gets too close. After that, there will be chaos. All good for your side, right? Either Putin gets his stooge in the White House, or he blows up as much of his enemy as he can.

Nope, there is absolutely no smoke. That's why media kinda "forgot" about it.

The lack of news in the public media does not clear the smoke away. All that means is that nothing new has come to the attention of the media that is worth reporting. Alfa bank is still very much a subject of interest in the criminal investigation.

Am I to assume that you know something which we don't know?
I am sorry but AlphaBank story was debunked, The Guardian just choose to not to tell you that.

 

[Copernicus]

It was never debunked. There is just a lack of conclusive evidence in the public record, but nobody knows what Mueller's investigators have found. Mueller is being very discrete, and he made sure to hire investigators who had expertise in money laundering and financial schemes, especially those involving foreign transactions. As for proving "collusion", Trump is very carefully to repeat that there was no "collusion", that "collusion" is not a crime, and that, even if there were "collusion", it would have been legal. Of course, that is a legalistic argument, since collusion is not the crime under investigation. Conspiracy, obstruction of justice, money laundering, etc.--those are the actual criminal acts that are under investigation.

Trump himself has already admitted to acts that would be considered obstruction of justice, were he not the President. As such, he is effectively above the law and probably cannot be prosecuted while in office. The only thing he has to fear is the political process of impeachment and conviction by Congress, but he knows that he is not going to face the same odds that forced Nixon to resign. Even with Democrats in control of both houses of Congress, the process would be extremely difficult. Almost two out of five American voters still approve his performance in office, and there is a good chance that he can improve that rating if a new war breaks out somewhere.

 

[barbos]

It was never debunked.

Let's see:
1. Server did not belong to Trump or his people.
2. DNS traffic is exactly what spam email server would generate
3. Server does in fact belong to marketing firm (not Trump)
4. Even experts who were hand picked by "journalists" to "testify" think that is one weird way of communication.

If this does not mean story was debunked then I don't know what is. The only thing worth investigating is how this bullshit came about. I have a hard time building any theories other than it was "lets throw some shit on the wall and see what sticks"

Now about russian oligarch Rybolovlev and mansion he bought.
1. Rybolovlev bought it in 2008 (yes, in two thousand fucking eight, and Rachel Maddow failed to mention this detail)
2. Rybolovlev was in the process of divorcing from his wife in which she accused him of trying to hide property from him.
Come on, Rachel, you are smarter than this.

I know Mueller is, because he is not looking into this at all.

 

[Elixir]

I know Mueller is, because he is not looking into this at all.

I am truly impressed that you know exactly what Mueller is and is not "looking into".

 

[Copernicus]

Barbos, it has already been pointed out to you that the Snopes' designation of "unproven" is not equivalent to "debunked".

 

[Artemus]

A New York Times article that came out today says that investigation of Russian collusion began because Papadopolous (while drunk!) told an Australian diplomat that Russia had dirt on Clinton, not because of the "dossier." The article is behind a paywall, but The Hill has a summary. This destroys one of the Trump-supporters' talking points (a witch-hunt based on the dossier), but I'm sure they'll keep repeating it.

 

[braces_for_impact]

A New York Times article that came out today says that investigation of Russian collusion began because Papadopolous (while drunk!) told an Australian diplomat that Russia had dirt on Clinton, not because of the "dossier." The article is behind a paywall, but The Hill has a summary. This destroys one of the Trump-supporters' talking points (a witch-hunt based on the dossier), but I'm sure they'll keep repeating it.

CNN has picked it up too.

 

[braces_for_impact]

It was never debunked.

Let's see:
1. Server did not belong to Trump or his people.
2. DNS traffic is exactly what spam email server would generate
3. Server does in fact belong to marketing firm (not Trump)
4. Even experts who were hand picked by "journalists" to "testify" think that is one weird way of communication.

If this does not mean story was debunked then I don't know what is. The only thing worth investigating is how this bullshit came about. I have a hard time building any theories other than it was "lets throw some shit on the wall and see what sticks"

Now about russian oligarch Rybolovlev and mansion he bought.
1. Rybolovlev bought it in 2008 (yes, in two thousand fucking eight, and Rachel Maddow failed to mention this detail)
2. Rybolovlev was in the process of divorcing from his wife in which she accused him of trying to hide property from him.
Come on, Rachel, you are smarter than this.

I know Mueller is, because he is not looking into this at all.

barbos, you increasingly look like a dutch kid plugging the leaks in a dam with his fingers. The problem is, you've sprung several more leaks, cracks are beginning show, but you have decided everything is fine because you've firmly shut your eyes.

 

[blastula]

The dossier is irrelevant to any prosecutor finding anyway. It's not like it will be the basis for any verdict.

 

[barbos]

Barbos, it has already been pointed out to you that the Snopes' designation of "unproven" is not equivalent to "debunked".

It is, in this case it is.

 

[barbos]

It was never debunked.

Let's see:
1. Server did not belong to Trump or his people.
2. DNS traffic is exactly what spam email server would generate
3. Server does in fact belong to marketing firm (not Trump)
4. Even experts who were hand picked by "journalists" to "testify" think that is one weird way of communication.

If this does not mean story was debunked then I don't know what is. The only thing worth investigating is how this bullshit came about. I have a hard time building any theories other than it was "lets throw some shit on the wall and see what sticks"

Now about russian oligarch Rybolovlev and mansion he bought.
1. Rybolovlev bought it in 2008 (yes, in two thousand fucking eight, and Rachel Maddow failed to mention this detail)
2. Rybolovlev was in the process of divorcing from his wife in which she accused him of trying to hide property from him.
Come on, Rachel, you are smarter than this.

I know Mueller is, because he is not looking into this at all.

barbos, you increasingly look like a dutch kid plugging the leaks in a dam with his fingers. The problem is, you've sprung several more leaks, cracks are beginning show, but you have decided everything is fine because you've firmly shut your eyes.

I am not following you here, sorry. I don't see any leaks I caused here, what are they?
I have said it before, I hate Trump, and dislike Putin, but I hate people who bullshit too, even when it is for right cause. And anti-trump and anti-russia crowd bullshit a lot.

 

[Trausti]

I have said it before, I hate Trump, and dislike Putin, but I hate people who bullshit too, even when it is for right cause. And anti-trump and anti-russia crowd bullshit a lot.

That's the nature of hyper-partisanship, right? The Russiagate loonies are the obverse of the Obama-Was-Born-In-Kenya crowd.

 

[Copernicus]

A New York Times article that came out today says that investigation of Russian collusion began because Papadopolous (while drunk!) told an Australian diplomat that Russia had dirt on Clinton, not because of the "dossier." The article is behind a paywall, but The Hill has a summary. This destroys one of the Trump-supporters' talking points (a witch-hunt based on the dossier), but I'm sure they'll keep repeating it.

The level of incompetence of many of Trump's appointees is breathtaking and scary. Papadopolous should never have been given this level of trust, and it does seem that some of the folks on the Trump team did move to sideline him so that more trustworthy people could manage the conspiracy with Russia. Trump may be as crooked as Nixon was, if not more so, but he has nothing like Nixon's awareness and intelligence.

The NYT gives free access to 10 articles per month. However, it is all managed by local cookies that are browswer-specific, so a devious person can simply erase all cookies associated with "nyt" to get around the limit. Alternatively, one can just use a different browser when the quota limit is reached.

 

[blastula]

I have said it before, I hate Trump, and dislike Putin, but I hate people who bullshit too, even when it is for right cause. And anti-trump and anti-russia crowd bullshit a lot.

That's the nature of hyper-partisanship, right? The Russiagate loonies are the obverse of the Obama-Was-Born-In-Kenya crowd.

Hadly, but good to see you admit that Trump is a loony.

 

[Trausti]

I have said it before, I hate Trump, and dislike Putin, but I hate people who bullshit too, even when it is for right cause. And anti-trump and anti-russia crowd bullshit a lot.

That's the nature of hyper-partisanship, right? The Russiagate loonies are the obverse of the Obama-Was-Born-In-Kenya crowd.

Hadly, but good to see you admit that Trump is a loony.

And he can be as loony, brash, uncouth as he wants. He cut my taxes, got rid of the ACA Individual Mandate, and increased my 401k. The thing about the president, whoever that may be, is that I'll never meet him. He may not even exist. He's not coming over for dinner and he's not a candidate to be my son's godfather. In the American political system, the president has very minimal impact over our lives - unlike city and county government. Hyper-partisanship, on the right or left, is quite silly; especially when it's a personal hatred for a politician. With this booming economy and more money in my pocket next year, Trump could tweet about lesbian Martian bears pooping in the woods and it's all good.

 

[barbos]

Hadly, but good to see you admit that Trump is a loony.

And he can be as loony, brash, uncouth as he wants. He cut my taxes, got rid of the ACA Individual Mandate, and increased my 401k.

Well, by the time you will be using your 401k US government would have to devalue dollars because of all that debt this tax cut caused. So he did not actually increased your 401k, he decreased it. Just saying

 

[humbleman]

Politicians and commentators defend the FBI accusing our beloved president Trump of attacking such a prestigious agency insulting it saying that FBI's "reputation is in Tatters - worst in History!"

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-says-fbis-reputation-is-in-tatters-worst-in-history/

WASHINGTON -- President Donald Trump said in a tweet early Sunday morning that the FBI's "reputation is in Tatters - worst in History!"

"But fear not, we will bring it back to greatness," he tweeted.

Well, I smile when defenders of the FBI reputation go against president Trump as if he is incorrect.

This "Russian Collusion" investigation is exactly the same or a copy or, plagiarism or, monkey see monkey do of a former investigation which started by malicious people, who caused months and months of search and research looking for declaring or not declaring Mr. Martin Luther King as a communist.

What a waste!

Mr. president Trump's words FBI's "reputation is in Tatters..." is not right when he says, is its "worst reputation in history"... it happened before... it is happening again...

CNN, the "former" fake news, posted an opinion given the reason to President Trump about the men in charge of the FBI.

The CNN article points clearly that this issue is not about the FBI men in the field but about the director and company.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/12/29/opini...arnished-reputation-callan-opinion/index.html

No surprise that in the article is also mentioned the dark past of the FBI acting against leaders who demanded social equality, equal justice for all.

The FBI has traditionally enjoyed a highly favorable reputation among a majority of the nation's citizens. Despite controversial programs that sometimes employed illegal forms of surveillance and enforcement methods -- such as those used on black citizens lawfully protesting racial segregation, individuals in the "red scare" of the 1950s and long-haired students and others protesting the war in Vietnam during the 1960s and '70s -- this reputation endured.

Of course it did, But mostly because people support the men in the field, not much the heads of the FBI agency.

This is not a change of CNN blind behavior against the president, but this article analyzes why president Trump is right at this time. There is a sure internal corruption which directly or indirectly affected yesterday's decisions of the head of this agency and still is in progress today with the current head of this agency.

Of course, the system must be respected. But what a way to interfere with this administration to make it fail, this action perpetuated by Democrats is definitively anti-American. They are hurting the country internally and also the prestige of this nation in front of the world, because they know that this is their revenge, that they are not asking for investigation but distraction and negative propaganda against president Trump.

The worst is that the FBI is backing them up, same way it backed up in the 60's White supremacists against Martin Luther King calling him a communist in order to destroy his image and his movement.

 

[humbleman]

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Hadly, but good to see you admit that Trump is a loony.

What do you think Mrs. Hillary Clinton should have made for the US in her first year as president if she won the elections and half of the nation who voted for Mr. Trump attacked her everyday by all means, including news media... and the FBI.

Check her behavior after elections attacking everybody because her lost, like women, blacks, etc.

Knowing how she is under pressure, think about a first year with her as the president.

 

[Ford]

And he can be as loony, brash, uncouth as he wants. He cut my taxes, got rid of the ACA Individual Mandate, and increased my 401k.

Well by that last bit, Obama was the greatest President in my lifetime. My 401k was sinking like an Argentinian submarine at the end of the Bush administration, but by the time Obama left office, it had blown up. The value of my home doubled during Obama's term. And while I kept my job during those years and never had to fear unemployment, the jobless rate during the Obama recovery went from 10 percent down to just over 4.

Credit where credit is due? Probably not. No doubt you think Trump is personally responsible for all of it.