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Mueller investigation

If Trump goes under oath, what is the over/under for the number of times he purgers himself in the first 10 minutes?
Mueller: For the record, did you fire FBI Director James Comey.
Trump: No.
Mueller: Wha?
Trump: I did not.
Mueller: You said you did it in an interview on tv.
Trump: False news...
 
If Trump goes under oath, what is the over/under for the number of times he purgers himself in the first 10 minutes?

Hammered by White and her deputies, Trump ultimately had to admit 30 times that he had lied over the years about all sorts of stuff: how much of a big Manhattan real estate project he owned; the price of one of his golf club memberships; the size of the Trump Organization; his wealth; his speaking fees; how many condos he had sold; his debts, and whether he borrowed money from his family to avoid going personally bankrupt. He also lied during the deposition about his business dealings with career criminals.

Trump's poor performance stemmed in part from the fact that he was being interrogated by shrewd attorneys wielding his own business and financial records against him. But there were lots of other things that went wrong as well.

Trump is impatient and has never been an avid or dedicated reader. That’s OK if you’d rather play golf, but it’s not OK when you need to absorb abundant or complex details. Lawyers typically prepare binders full of documents for their clients to pore over prior to a deposition, hoping to steel them for an intense grilling. My lawyers did that prior to my own deposition in the Trump lawsuit. But Trump didn’t appear to be well prepared when we deposed him, a weakness that my lawyers exploited (and that Mueller surely would as well).

Trump, for example, had submitted a document to the court from his accountant outlining his assets and liabilities. He was proud of the document’s glowing conclusions but hadn’t seemed to have read most of it prior to sitting down with my lawyers – including a section that said that the report wasn’t a reliable gauge of his wealth. Trump seemed surprised when my lawyers pointed that out.

Trump also has a well-known inability to stick to the facts and a tendency to dissemble and improvise. While under oath, he’ll try to avoid saying that he’s lied in the past until he’s presented with documentation proving otherwise.


https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...ched-trump-testify-under-oath-it-isn-t-pretty
 
If Trump goes under oath, what is the over/under for the number of times he purgers himself in the first 10 minutes?

Hammered by White and her deputies, Trump ultimately had to admit 30 times that he had lied over the years about all sorts of stuff: how much of a big Manhattan real estate project he owned; the price of one of his golf club memberships; the size of the Trump Organization; his wealth; his speaking fees; how many condos he had sold; his debts, and whether he borrowed money from his family to avoid going personally bankrupt. He also lied during the deposition about his business dealings with career criminals.

Trump's poor performance stemmed in part from the fact that he was being interrogated by shrewd attorneys wielding his own business and financial records against him. But there were lots of other things that went wrong as well.

Trump is impatient and has never been an avid or dedicated reader. That’s OK if you’d rather play golf, but it’s not OK when you need to absorb abundant or complex details. Lawyers typically prepare binders full of documents for their clients to pore over prior to a deposition, hoping to steel them for an intense grilling. My lawyers did that prior to my own deposition in the Trump lawsuit. But Trump didn’t appear to be well prepared when we deposed him, a weakness that my lawyers exploited (and that Mueller surely would as well).

Trump, for example, had submitted a document to the court from his accountant outlining his assets and liabilities. He was proud of the document’s glowing conclusions but hadn’t seemed to have read most of it prior to sitting down with my lawyers – including a section that said that the report wasn’t a reliable gauge of his wealth. Trump seemed surprised when my lawyers pointed that out.

Trump also has a well-known inability to stick to the facts and a tendency to dissemble and improvise. While under oath, he’ll try to avoid saying that he’s lied in the past until he’s presented with documentation proving otherwise.


https://www.bloomberg.com/view/arti...ched-trump-testify-under-oath-it-isn-t-pretty

So... you're taking 30, then? :D
 
If Trump goes under oath, what is the over/under for the number of times he purgers himself in the first 10 minutes?
Mueller: For the record, did you fire FBI Director James Comey.
Trump: No.
Mueller: Wha?
Trump: I did not.
Mueller: You said you did it in an interview on tv.
Trump: False news...

Is it a crime to say "That wasn't me in that video!"?
 
If Trump goes under oath, what is the over/under for the number of times he purgers himself in the first 10 minutes?
Mueller: For the record, did you fire FBI Director James Comey.
Trump: No.
Mueller: Wha?
Trump: I did not.
Mueller: You said you did it in an interview on tv.
Trump: False news...

Is it a crime to say "That wasn't me in that video!"?

Not that I think you were seriously asking, but if you are talking to the FBI, special counsel, or otherwise under oath and you know that it is you, then yes, it would be a crime.
 
Trump ordered Mueller fired back in June according to the New York Times, but backed down when White House counsel Donald McGahn said he would quit rather than carry out the order.

No obstruction here. :rolleyes:
Just read about that. And Mueller knows about it. This is incredible stuff. Stupid Watergate.

Mueller's methodical process has been very frustrating at times, but he is going to have an air-tight case on any charges he files. Which is as it should be when the subject of the investigation is the POTUS. Even when the POTUS is Donald Trump.

(I still can't think say/type "President Donald Trump" without having my mind blown. How the fuck could people be this stupid????)
 
Trump ordered Mueller fired back in June according to the New York Times, but backed down when White House counsel Donald McGahn said he would quit rather than carry out the order.

No obstruction here. :rolleyes:
Just read about that. And Mueller knows about it. This is incredible stuff. Stupid Watergate.

Mueller's methodical process has been very frustrating at times, but he is going to have an air-tight case on any charges he files. Which is as it should be when the subject of the investigation is the POTUS. Even when the POTUS is Donald Trump.

(I still can't think say/type "President Donald Trump" without having my mind blown. How the fuck could people be this stupid????)
White people were tired of not being taken "seriously" enough, so they threw a fit.
 
Mueller's methodical process has been very frustrating at times, but he is going to have an air-tight case on any charges he files. Which is as it should be when the subject of the investigation is the POTUS. Even when the POTUS is Donald Trump.

(I still can't think say/type "President Donald Trump" without having my mind blown. How the fuck could people be this stupid????)
White people were tired of not being taken "seriously" enough, so they threw a fit.

Also, remember, there were many people that were "sending a message to Washington" by voting 3rd party. Apparently that message didn't quite get through the noise. I imagine it should have been "elections have consequences."
 
An article on Slate pretty much assumes that McGahn himself leaked that he prevented Trump from firing Mueller. I've seen that speculated a couple other places as well. Slate goes on to speculate why he might have leaked and why he might have saved Mueller's job in the first place. One of the latter suggestions is
Slate.com said:
3. Maybe the lawyer McGahn actually appreciates the rule of law and didn’t want to go down in history as one of the men who helped bring about making it subordinate to the will of Donald Trump.

Is it really so difficult today to believe the bolded part was a primary motivation that they had to add "didn't want to go down in history" and turn it into a selfish motive? There are some career people, yes, even republicans, who are not partisan hacks who will do anything to save a corrupt president. We've seen again and again that it just takes a few honest people to keep the ball rolling. Despite what seems like a terrible delay, I'm still very pleased with the way the system has worked. The republicans attacking Mueller now are just further damaging their product and all but the most deluded 35% recognize that.
 
Is it really so difficult today to believe the bolded part was a primary motivation that they had to add "didn't want to go down in history" and turn it into a selfish motive?
In modern politics, yeah, probably.
In the Trump White House, certainly.
 
An article on Slate pretty much assumes that McGahn himself leaked that he prevented Trump from firing Mueller. I've seen that speculated a couple other places as well. Slate goes on to speculate why he might have leaked and why he might have saved Mueller's job in the first place. One of the latter suggestions is
Slate.com said:
3. Maybe the lawyer McGahn actually appreciates the rule of law and didn’t want to go down in history as one of the men who helped bring about making it subordinate to the will of Donald Trump.

Is it really so difficult today to believe the bolded part was a primary motivation that they had to add "didn't want to go down in history" and turn it into a selfish motive? There are some career people, yes, even republicans, who are not partisan hacks who will do anything to save a corrupt president. We've seen again and again that it just takes a few honest people to keep the ball rolling. Despite what seems like a terrible delay, I'm still very pleased with the way the system has worked. The republicans attacking Mueller now are just further damaging their product and all but the most deluded 35% recognize that.
This circus has become so entangled that it seems impossible to know who did what and why. McGahn likely understands law pretty well, being a lawyer in the White House, which means he likely wants to keep his own job, as being counsel in the White House is a pretty big deal. Everyone in the White House has to know that Trump will sell them out in a matter of moments, so McGahn has no reason to 'take a bullet' for this POTUS as it'd be futile, unrewarded, and damned in history.

I ponder a more interesting question, why did Trump not fire Mueller. Was McGahn's resignation that big of a deal to him, or is Trump so manipulatible, that he caved immediately?

What is of further interest is what exactly does Mueller know about the timeline for Trump wanting to fire Mueller. Who has testified to him about what?

Trump treasures loyalty, but doesn't actually reciprocate, and he has pissed off a lot of people that likely know things that can be used in the obstruction case. Trump, for a man of his size, shouldn't be walking out further on thin ice, but he seems incapable of stopping himself.
 
Trump ordered Mueller fired back in June according to the New York Times, but backed down when White House counsel Donald McGahn said he would quit rather than carry out the order.

No obstruction here. :rolleyes:
Just read about that. And Mueller knows about it. This is incredible stuff. Stupid Watergate.

Mueller's methodical process has been very frustrating at times, but he is going to have an air-tight case on any charges he files. Which is as it should be when the subject of the investigation is the POTUS. Even when the POTUS is Donald Trump.

(I still can't think say/type "President Donald Trump" without having my mind blown. How the fuck could people be this stupid????)

Too much TV
 
(I still can't think say/type "President Donald Trump" without having my mind blown. How the fuck could people be this stupid????)

If you mean the election, they weren't. Hillary had 2.5 million more votes remember.

.. and the Pennsylvania State Supreme Court has just ruled that the electoral districts were illegally Gerrymandered by the GoP to give a disproportional advantage to Republican candidates.

Google "Project RedState"
 
An article on Slate pretty much assumes that McGahn himself leaked that he prevented Trump from firing Mueller. I've seen that speculated a couple other places as well. Slate goes on to speculate why he might have leaked and why he might have saved Mueller's job in the first place. One of the latter suggestions is
Slate.com said:
3. Maybe the lawyer McGahn actually appreciates the rule of law and didn’t want to go down in history as one of the men who helped bring about making it subordinate to the will of Donald Trump.

Is it really so difficult today to believe the bolded part was a primary motivation that they had to add "didn't want to go down in history" and turn it into a selfish motive? There are some career people, yes, even republicans, who are not partisan hacks who will do anything to save a corrupt president. We've seen again and again that it just takes a few honest people to keep the ball rolling. Despite what seems like a terrible delay, I'm still very pleased with the way the system has worked. The republicans attacking Mueller now are just further damaging their product and all but the most deluded 35% recognize that.

right.... just like every Firefighter runs into burning buildings for the sole purpose of keeping their jobs.
 
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