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angelo said:
bleubird said:
I still don't understand climate change deniers motive. They don't have science on their side. So is it economic? How much will it effect them if we are wrong. We will have a cleaner world and some new technologies.
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At what cost? The destruction of life as we know it, and for what? Re distribution of wealth from the 1st World to the 3rd so all will live in poverty? But besides all that, I'm still waiting for conclusive proof that predictions made about armageddon made just 2-3 decades ago have eventuated.

You know, all those predictions about the seas rising up to 20 feet, millions of " climate" refugees, the Arctic Circle [North Pole] being completely ice free by 2005, the ice sheet covering Antarctica practically non existent a decade ago.

No matter how many times the alarmists are proved wrong they keep trying to hold a ground they don't have. The Hockey Stich, Climategate, the hundreds of failed predictions of calamity, nothing seems to even make the alarmist blink an eyelid. The Scientific method of experimentation and observation are both lacking in the climate industry. Instead we have computer modeling which we are expected to accept as proven science. Tell this BS to the Chinese and Indians who are building fossil fueled power generation at the rate of almost one per day.
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Angleo again your complete lack of understanding of what science is is astonishing. We will never stop learning or building upon the knowledge of our natural world. Predictions made 20 or 30 years ago build on previous knowledge and the beginning of understanding of climate change which continue to today. Testable explanation and predictions will continue to be build on it. Just because the early climate science did not predict precisely enough for you does not mean it is wrong. Nothing is absolute.
 
scombrid said:
Predictions that we did study in school and that I've read in the literature have panned out. Changes in rain fall patterns in time and space. Shifting ranges of plants and migration timing of animals. Sea level trends that have been rising for my entire life have curved up in the last 15-20 years. We've been running at 50% above average cooling degree days and 50% below average heating degree days in my country for about 15 years. Even 2010 which was the last year that we had a killing freeze here ended up with more cooling degree days and fewer heating degree days than the mean in a record that goes back a little over 100 years. Sure looks warmer.
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Think the deniers will understand degree days??
 
Loren Pechtel said:
scombrid said:
Predictions that we did study in school and that I've read in the literature have panned out. Changes in rain fall patterns in time and space. Shifting ranges of plants and migration timing of animals. Sea level trends that have been rising for my entire life have curved up in the last 15-20 years. We've been running at 50% above average cooling degree days and 50% below average heating degree days in my country for about 15 years. Even 2010 which was the last year that we had a killing freeze here ended up with more cooling degree days and fewer heating degree days than the mean in a record that goes back a little over 100 years. Sure looks warmer.
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Think the deniers will understand degree days??
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That's like a graduation ceremony, right?
 
Jolly_Penguin said:
It also plays into the problem of there being no unified world government and so countries who do take a hit to help save the environment do so while other countries don't take that same hit. So selfishness and game theory come very much into play.
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This is the real problem. Without basically worldwide agreement most things we could do simply come down to shooting ourselves in the foot for no benefit--the pollution will be exported, not prevented. Look at the agreements we have reached--all have been jokes that have accomplished basically nothing. (Ignore Germany's "success"--it's based on bad data.) The agreements do nothing about the third-world sources and do nothing meaningful about first-world sources.

The practical thing we can do is nuke power.
 
scombrid said:
By when?



By when? We already have some. There are flood zones that are being abandoned. Unless the current sea level trend changes that is accelerating.

the Arctic Circle [North Pole] being completely ice free by 2005,
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I'd like to see a citation for that. I took a graduate level climatology class in the early 2000s and that prediction was not in any of the literature that were part of the curriculum, not even the super high end edges of the 95% confidence intervals of any models included that as a possibility.

the ice sheet covering Antarctica practically non existent a decade ago.
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Cite that too. That is a whopper of a claim.

Predictions that we did study in school and that I've read in the literature have panned out. Changes in rain fall patterns in time and space. Shifting ranges of plants and migration timing of animals. Sea level trends that have been rising for my entire life have curved up in the last 15-20 years. We've been running at 50% above average cooling degree days and 50% below average heating degree days in my country for about 15 years. Even 2010 which was the last year that we had a killing freeze here ended up with more cooling degree days and fewer heating degree days than the mean in a record that goes back a little over 100 years. Sure looks warmer.
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Didn't they also teach you in school that China and India alone are building fossil fuel fired power stations at the rate of one per day without raising CO2 levels from around 400 ppm? And that during interglacial periods, the CO2 levels were up to three times what they are today during ice ages?
 
starwater said:
angelo said:
bleubird said:
I still don't understand climate change deniers motive. They don't have science on their side. So is it economic? How much will it effect them if we are wrong. We will have a cleaner world and some new technologies.
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At what cost? The destruction of life as we know it, and for what? Re distribution of wealth from the 1st World to the 3rd so all will live in poverty? But besides all that, I'm still waiting for conclusive proof that predictions made about armageddon made just 2-3 decades ago have eventuated.

You know, all those predictions about the seas rising up to 20 feet, millions of " climate" refugees, the Arctic Circle [North Pole] being completely ice free by 2005, the ice sheet covering Antarctica practically non existent a decade ago.

No matter how many times the alarmists are proved wrong they keep trying to hold a ground they don't have. The Hockey Stich, Climategate, the hundreds of failed predictions of calamity, nothing seems to even make the alarmist blink an eyelid. The Scientific method of experimentation and observation are both lacking in the climate industry. Instead we have computer modeling which we are expected to accept as proven science. Tell this BS to the Chinese and Indians who are building fossil fueled power generation at the rate of almost one per day.
Click to expand...

Angleo again your complete lack of understanding of what science is is astonishing. We will never stop learning or building upon the knowledge of our natural world. Predictions made 20 or 30 years ago build on previous knowledge and the beginning of understanding of climate change which continue to today. Testable explanation and predictions will continue to be build on it. Just because the early climate science did not predict precisely enough for you does not mean it is wrong. Nothing is absolute.
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Precisely why something as complex as Earth's climate can not be pinned down to one cause such as CO2 with the data we have using the short lifespan of humanity's use of fossil fuels on a planet that has a history of 4.5 billion years. The planet has oscillated between warming periods and ice ages for millions of years. The last ice age ending just 10.000 years ago. Besides, mankind and it's progress fares far better during a warming period that through an ice age. It's also the reason why most of humanity lives well away from the freezing conditions of the Arctic or Antarctic circles. All life on Earth has been adapting to the ever changing climate for millions of years, and there's no reason why it won't adapt to future changes as well, or it perishes to be replaced by other better adapted life forms, just at it has for last billion or so years.
 
Jolly_Penguin said:
There is not only motive to deny or ignore that human industry is changing the Earth's climate, but also even if everybody agreed this is happening, it is unlikely that much would be done about it.
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There is more than enough motive for those that promote the coming apocalypse.


"Climate Justice" ffs, what a joke that is.
 
angelo said:
And that during interglacial periods, the CO2 levels were up to three times what they are today during ice ages?
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When did that occur again?

We learned about plate tectonics too and things like Milankovitch Cycles too. Time scales and geology are relevant but you always ignore those.
 
Hilarious;

Al Gore has said the global economy requires a fundamental upgrade to become more sustainable in order for the world to survive an environmental crisis and widening social divides. The environmentalist and former US vice-president said the world was in the early stages of a “sustainability revolution” that had “the magnitude of the Industrial Revolution and the speed of the digital revolution. The scale of our global challenges has never been clearer,” Gore said.

The urgent need to address the world’s sustainability crisis is laid bare in the latest annual report from Generation Investment Management, which was co-founded by Gore and David Blood, a veteran Goldman Sachs investor, in 2004.
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Teh Gruaniad
 
right now:
Paris, France +32C
Berlin, Germany +37C
Riyadh Saudi Arabia +46C but humidity is 6% compared to Paris 50%
Here +25C
 
TSwizzle said:
I'm baffled as to why people think the earth's climate should never fluctuate. These irresponsible proclamations of death and destruction are not based on science or evidence.
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I'm baffled you think there are people who think the earth's climate should never fluctuate.
 
Catastrophic 13C here in sunny Perth as of 6PM Thursday with heavy showers and a forecast minimum of 8C by 6AM Friday. I wish that GW would hurry up and get here!
 
angelo said:
Catastrophic 13C here in sunny Perth as of 6PM Thursday with heavy showers and a forecast minimum of 8C by 6AM Friday. I wish that GW would hurry up and get here!
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Don't worry. It'll be back in a few months. :picardfacepalm:
 
angelo said:
Catastrophic 13C here in sunny Perth as of 6PM Thursday with heavy showers and a forecast minimum of 8C by 6AM Friday. I wish that GW would hurry up and get here!
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Today on what is climate verses what is weather.
 
Jimmy Higgins said:
angelo said:
Catastrophic 13C here in sunny Perth as of 6PM Thursday with heavy showers and a forecast minimum of 8C by 6AM Friday. I wish that GW would hurry up and get here!
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Today on what is climate verses what is weather.
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Exactly why the moniker Global Warming was superseded by Climate Change/Disruption so as to allow every single extreme weather event everywhere on Earth attributed to it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterf...larmists-global-cooling-is-here/#291e6404dcf5
 
angelo said:
Jimmy Higgins said:
angelo said:
Catastrophic 13C here in sunny Perth as of 6PM Thursday with heavy showers and a forecast minimum of 8C by 6AM Friday. I wish that GW would hurry up and get here!
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Today on what is climate verses what is weather.
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Exactly why the moniker Global Warming was superseded by Climate Change/Disruption so as to allow every single extreme weather event everywhere on Earth attributed to it.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterf...larmists-global-cooling-is-here/#291e6404dcf5
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Well it was changed because people like you don't understand science. So when it was called "global warming" and we had winter, you lacked the ability to understand the concept of global temperature averages going up isn't meaning there isn't winter anymore. So they adapted, but really there was no point because if you can't understand that the Earth on average is getting warmer, there really is nothing that can be done to help you.

Jimmy Higgins: There were a record number of homeruns this season.
angelo: Haw! What a crock... why I saw a player bunt. *smug*
 
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