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New report on climate change released today

That Republican objected to trying to pass a Green New Deal all at once, mentioning what a big trouble Obamacare was. AOC agreed with him that it's better to try to pass it in pieces.

Ocasio-Cortez: Exxon Mobil 'knew exactly what it was doing' | TheHill
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The Hill on Twitter: "Rep. @AOC on climate change: "Exxon Mobil knew exactly what was happening and exactly what was going to happen in the 1970s." https://t.co/NSabmXoUPO" / Twitter
In one hearing, she quizzed a former Exxon scientist about climate modeling back then -- and how successful their modeling was in predicting present-day conditions. Right on the dot.
"They dumped millions of dollars into lobbying a campaign of doubt," Ocasio-Cortez said. "That is exactly why we have to acknowledge that the climate crisis is not an accident."

"The reason we are in this crisis is because oil and gas has been one of the most profitable industries of the modern era," she added.
 
That Republican objected to trying to pass a Green New Deal all at once, mentioning what a big trouble Obamacare was. AOC agreed with him that it's better to try to pass it in pieces.

Ocasio-Cortez: Exxon Mobil 'knew exactly what it was doing' | TheHill
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The Hill on Twitter: "Rep. @AOC on climate change: "Exxon Mobil knew exactly what was happening and exactly what was going to happen in the 1970s." https://t.co/NSabmXoUPO" / Twitter
In one hearing, she quizzed a former Exxon scientist about climate modeling back then -- and how successful their modeling was in predicting present-day conditions. Right on the dot.
"They dumped millions of dollars into lobbying a campaign of doubt," Ocasio-Cortez said. "That is exactly why we have to acknowledge that the climate crisis is not an accident."

"The reason we are in this crisis is because oil and gas has been one of the most profitable industries of the modern era," she added.

There's something about the left and profit that goes way beyond rational thinking. It's profit that creates the millions of jobs in the private sector seems to be beyond a leftard's understanding of Western democracy.
 
AOC appears to accuse Bloomberg of trying to 'purchase our political system' | Fox News
"Almost right after I got sworn in, there was a Republican member that told me that caring about the climate was elitist ... as though billionaires aren't buying up their enclaves, thinking they can protect themselves from this. What's elitist is thinking this isn't a problem," she said.

"What is elitist is thinking that you can buy yourself immunity from the floods and the wildfires and the droughts. That is what is elitist. What's elitist is thinking that you can sit on a pile of money and you will be okay while your neighbors aren't. That is elitist," she added, prompting applause.

Fact checking AOC's assertions can be fun. Like finding out about super-rich survivalists. The sort who intend to hole up in some bunker in New Zealand or wherever.
Luxury doomsday bunkers: How the mega-rich are preparing for the apocalyse - CNN Style
Why Silicon Valley billionaires are prepping for the apocalypse in New Zealand | News | The Guardian
Doomsday Prep for the Super-Rich | The New Yorker
Everything Wrong with Peter Thiel’s Doomsday Survival Plan | Outside Online
What it's like inside a doomsday bunker for millionaires - Business Insider
Billionaire boltholes to survive the end of the world | loveproperty.com

‘This is not an elitist issue’: AOC on Republican inaction on climate change –video - YouTube
Congresswomen Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gives a fiery speech during a committee hearing in response to Republicans push-back on her climate change policy, The Green New Deal. ‘You want to tell people that their desire for clean air and clean water is elitist?’, yells a impassioned Ocasio-Cortez. ‘Tell that to the kids in the South Bronx which are suffering from the highest rates of childhood asthma in the country … You’re telling those kids that they are trying to get on a plane to Davos? People are dying!'
 
Examining the Oil Industry’s Efforts to Suppress the Truth about Climate Change | House Committee on Oversight and Reform
Subcommittee Examined the Oil Industry’s Efforts to Suppress Climate Science | House Committee on Oversight and Reform

Exxon's own research confirmed fossil fuels' role in global warming | InsideClimate News
Climate Change Is Not A Future Problem For Communities of Color. It Is a NOW Problem. - Advancement Project - Advancement Project
Money_in_Politics_05 03 16a_web - FINAL.pdf
Exxon continues to fund 'science' group steeped in climate denial

MIH Written Testimony - MIH Written Testimony.pdf - Martin Hoffert (AOC questioned him)
ORESKES House committee oversight testimony SUBMIT - ORESKES House committee oversight testimony SUBMIT.pdf - Naomi Oreskes
Testimony of Mustafa Santiago Ali-10-23-19.pdf
Microsoft Word - Eubanks Congressional Testimony FINAL .docx - Eubanks Congressional Testimony FINAL .pdf - Sharon Eubanks

Examining the Oil Industry’s Efforts to Suppress the Truth about Climate Change - YouTube - the full video - 2:33:06
Chairman Raskin Opening The Oil Industry's Efforts to Suppress the Truth about Climate Change - YouTube
Rep Pressley Question line The Oil Industry's Efforts to Suppress the Truth about Climate Change - YouTube
Rep Gomez Q line The Oil Industry's Efforts to Supress the Truth about Climate Change - YouTube
Rep AOC Question line The Oil Industry's Efforts to Suppress the Truth about Climate Change - YouTube

Some of the witnesses (NO, SE) compared the tobacco industry and the fossil-fuel industry, noting similar lobbying strategies. They did not need to get people to deny the deleterious effects of both industries' products, only to doubt them. That was enough to provoke inaction, what the companies wanted.
 
Subcommittee Chairman Jamie Raskin claimed in his opening statement that the oil companies factored in climate-change predictions in deciding where to site their infrastructure. I'd have to see if there is any evidence for that claim.

Reps. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Jamie Raskin to rally in Maryland - The Washington Post
Raskin — who works with Ocasio-Cortez as the chair and vice chair, respectively, of the House Oversight subcommittee on civil rights and civil liberties — predicted when he introduced her Thursday night that she would be “one of the greatest members of the Congress of the 21st century.”

He described her victorious campaign as a “historic inspiration.”

When it was her turn, Ocasio-Cortez returned the favor, saying Raskin was the kind of lawmaker she was hoping to find when she reached Washington — “voraciously intellectual” and “able to quote Jefferson at the drop of a dime.”

She went on to describe the United States as rooted in dualities — “the good and bad, America is the hope and despair.”

Ayanna Pressley mainly delivered a speech on location of oil-company facilities near poor and minority neighborhoods.

Jimmy Gomez showed some video showing how the Cato Institute produced a report with nearly the exact layout of a NOAA one. He then asked about whether this was some deliberate strategy. Naomi Oreskes was reluctant to speculate about that, though she did note that ExxonMobil had funded 39 organizations to make misleading statements about climate change.

Now to AOC. She started off by questioning Mandy Gunasekara of the CO2 Coalition. She asked if MG knew about the organization being funded by the Koch brothers and the Mercer family, and also about the Koch brothers owning a lot of oil refineries and 4000 mi of natural-gas pipelines. AOC next questioned Mustafa Ali about the vulnerability of people-of-color communities, and MA added poor-white ones. I don't like this focus on ethnicity and race when it's more of a class issue. Poorer people are more vulnerable to environmental troubles than richer ones -- they can't move as easily.

Unfortunately, that snippet did not include this: The Independent on Twitter: "Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez grills former Exxon scientists on oil giant's climate change denial https://t.co/uW6OFrHow2" / Twitter - Exxon execs *knew* about global warming back in 1982, but they instead funded a denialist campaign.
 
Is the Green New Deal for real?
A conversation about the “Green New Deal” with Bill McKibben, Naomi Oreskes, and Daniel Schrag.

The mission, as it turned out, was to transform the American economy and save the country, no less, over twelve years. Franklin Roosevelt called it his New Deal, starting in 1933. New-breed Democrats in Congress today are talking about a Green New Deal, starting now, deep into the crisis of a changing climate that goes way beyond the weather.
Had some interesting perspective about the development of renewable energy. It was hard to justify earlier projects like Cape Wind, with wind turbines off the shore of Cape Cod, because their energy output was still rather expensive back then. But nowadays, costs are easily competitive with fossil-fuel generation without needing subsidies. A Cape Wind II project would have less of a problem getting accepted nowadays, because its economics would be much better.

Will future generations record that we made widely-deployable renewable-energy sources cost effective just in time to stave off major climate effects?
 
Is the Green New Deal for real?
A conversation about the “Green New Deal” with Bill McKibben, Naomi Oreskes, and Daniel Schrag.

The mission, as it turned out, was to transform the American economy and save the country, no less, over twelve years. Franklin Roosevelt called it his New Deal, starting in 1933. New-breed Democrats in Congress today are talking about a Green New Deal, starting now, deep into the crisis of a changing climate that goes way beyond the weather.
Had some interesting perspective about the development of renewable energy. It was hard to justify earlier projects like Cape Wind, with wind turbines off the shore of Cape Cod, because their energy output was still rather expensive back then. But nowadays, costs are easily competitive with fossil-fuel generation without needing subsidies. A Cape Wind II project would have less of a problem getting accepted nowadays, because its economics would be much better.

Will future generations record that we made widely-deployable renewable-energy sources cost effective just in time to stave off major climate effects?

Nah, they'll record that, as usual, we fudged the figures, compared apples to oranges, came up with numbers that no longer sounded catastrophic, and smugly congratulated ourselves on having solved the problem. Which then fucked us over, because reality doesn't care about our self-serving pretense that nameplate capacity is all that matters, and that intermittency in our power generation can be handwaved away with talk of fictional battery technologies whose huge costs we don't bother to include in our reckoning.

Despite the vast propaganda machine, funded by gas companies and backed by faux-environmentalists, the provision of constant, stable and reliable electricity from renewables remains hideously expensive compared to generating power from fossil fuel (particularly gas), or nuclear fission.

Of course, you would never know this from reading "green" websites, or listening to "green" politicians.
 
Is the Green New Deal for real?
A conversation about the “Green New Deal” with Bill McKibben, Naomi Oreskes, and Daniel Schrag.

The mission, as it turned out, was to transform the American economy and save the country, no less, over twelve years. Franklin Roosevelt called it his New Deal, starting in 1933. New-breed Democrats in Congress today are talking about a Green New Deal, starting now, deep into the crisis of a changing climate that goes way beyond the weather.
Had some interesting perspective about the development of renewable energy. It was hard to justify earlier projects like Cape Wind, with wind turbines off the shore of Cape Cod, because their energy output was still rather expensive back then. But nowadays, costs are easily competitive with fossil-fuel generation without needing subsidies. A Cape Wind II project would have less of a problem getting accepted nowadays, because its economics would be much better.

Will future generations record that we made widely-deployable renewable-energy sources cost effective just in time to stave off major climate effects?
Thought the Cape project got scratched because of rich people that live on the beach.
 
Thought the Cape project got scratched because of rich people that live on the beach.
That's a good part of it. The Kennedy family combined with a lesser-known Koch brother who is a coal billionaire. More wind turbines = less coal.
 
Thomas W. Swetnam is Regents' Professor Emeritus of Dendrochronology at the University of Arizona, studying disturbances of forest ecosystems across temporal and spatial scales. He served as the Director of the Laboratory of Tree-Ring Research from 2000 to 2015.

Here is a short video on his tree ring research and wildfires.

[YOUTUBE]https://youtu.be/vTQk7ga4aD8[/YOUTUBE]
 
Hilarious. Extinction Rebellion cult founder Roger Hallam says The Holocaust is "just another fuckery in human history;

The British co-founder of Extinction Rebellion sparked outrage in Germany today by referring to the Holocaust as 'just another f***ery in human history'. Roger Hallam compared the murder of six million Jewish people at the hands of the Nazis to other historical massacres and claimed that memory of the Shoah - or Holocaust - was holding Germany back.
Hallam claimed his comments had been taken out of context and compared the impact of the Holocaust with the looming climate disaster, but did not apologise for the offence caused. He said: 'I want to fully acknowledge the unimaginable suffering caused by the Nazi holocaust, that led to all of Europe saying, ''never again. But it is happening again, on a far greater scale, and in plain sight. The global north is pumping lethal levels of CO2 into the atmosphere and simultaneously erecting ever greater barriers to immigration, turning whole regions of the world into death zones. That is the grim reality.

DailyMail

A Rapture like cult.
 
The only thing that was missing in this latest doomsday cult was a Jim Jones figure which has now being filled by a teenager who has mental problems.
 
The only thing that was missing in this latest doomsday cult was a Jim Jones figure which has now being filled by a teenager who has mental problems.
What kind of "mental problems"?

Isra Hirsi is a climate activist and Rep. Ilhan Omar's oldest daughter:
Teen activist Isra Hirsi on US Youth Climate Strikes w/ climate scientist Josh Willis & Andy Cobb - YouTube
Representative Ilhan Omar’s Daughter Takes On Climate Change | NBC News Now - YouTube
Imagine How Great America Could Be If We Listened To This Teen - YouTube


Climate Crisis Summit with Bernie and AOC - YouTube - I decided to watch the whole thing, because of hints of interesting things discussed there.

Francis Kickey started with how he is a dairy and crop-plant farmer, and he described regenerative agriculture, getting carbon back into the soil.

Then Molly Crabapple, the illustrator for AOC's GND video. We see in the background some of her work: some workers installing solar panels, some wind turbines, and some construction workers doing something.

Then Michelle Skywalker of the Omaha Tribe and in the Nebraska Democratic Party. She was a Standing Rock water protector, and she mentions how some floods in Nebraska got little publicity.

Then Zina Precht-Rodriguez of the Sunrise Movement. She talked about coming across a video of Sunrise Movement activists doing a sit-in in a Congressional office building and confronting Nancy Pelosi. She then joined that movement and other activist movements.

Then Charice Mortice, a retired schoolteacher, who has lived in Des Moines her entire life. She got involved with foreclosure activism.

Then Chris Petersen, a family farmer and family-farm activist. Notes that many pig farms are CAFO's - factory farms. Many family farmers have second jobs in nearby towns.

Then Ross Gruders(?), a railroad labor-union official. Proposes electric freight railroads.
 
The moderator said that AOC's and Molly Crabapple's "Message from the Future" video was most impressive, and he asked MC why? It is to counteract the common narrative that there is nothing that can be done about the mess that we are in, which she describes as being force-fed dystopia.

Then Francis Thicke described regenerative agriculture, getting more organic carbon into the soil. Plant roots and decayed material.

CAFO - Confined Animal Feeding Operation. Cherie Mortice noted all the water pollution from Iowa pig CAFO's. Also how climate change means more extremely hot days, and how the CAFO air is an air-pollution problem.

Also a Chandra Walker there -- Michelle Skywalker? She also described activism against a CAFO chicken farm.

Moderator: Stacey Walker

Then farm bankruptcies in Iowa. Then ZPR mentioned labor unions and environmentalists getting together. Then a half-hour break.
 
The only thing that was missing in this latest doomsday cult was a Jim Jones figure which has now being filled by a teenager who has mental problems.

I thought you were older than that. :rolleyes:
 
Then Naomi Klein, of "The Shock Doctrine". The fire of motivation of mass movements vs. a variety of calamities. The necessity of getting off of fossil fuels. She also worked on AOC's and MC's "A Message from the Future". She mentioned the breaking of levees in New Orleans as a sign of the neglect of public infrastructure. She criticizes the neoliberal "no such thing as society" ideology for failing to provide a good response to climate disasters and the collective action that will be necessary for them.

Then the rise of belligerent nationalists and authoritarians like Trump and Bolsonaro and Duterte and Modi - connected with neoliberal austerity and the drop of living standards of much of the working class. Also their divisive demagogic appeals to "Real Americans" and the like, a convenient cover for corporate looting.

She mentioned divestment from fossil-fuel companies and activism like the sit-in in Rep. Nancy Pelosi's office a year ago. Then she mentioned having to clear away the debris of the climate-change deniers and the distractors. Also the doomers and the dividers.

Then Stacey Walker introduced AOC. She showed what a great speaker she is. She recalled a Republican colleague who claimed that concern about the environment is elitist. As if billionaires aren't buying hideout estates. Fact-checking AOC's assertions can be interesting -- there are several very rich people who have bought such estates in places like New Zealand. She then talked about the Green New Deal and how Exxon officials knew about global warming around 1980. Instead of changing their business, the oil companies launched a campaign of doubt. The oil companies could have gotten into synfuels, for instance. But I digress.

About the climate crisis, it is not an accident, she says. "It is not a coincidence; it is a consequence." She says that oil and gas are very profitable, and that's what keeps the oil and gas companies going and doing climate-change denial. She recalled her campaign: "We've got people, they've got money" and "Big money is very lonely". Trump's presidency is a symptom of deeper problems. We could beat him, but we need to keep another Trump from getting into power again, and the answer to late-stage hypercapitalism is with a labor movement. We will need to address race and poverty issues as well as do things like put solar panels on our roofs. Also white supremacy and recognizing terrorism elsewhere in the world but not close to home.

Then she talked about how we used to have easily affordable colleges. But when racial integration came, then economic discrimination started, with tuitions going up, up, up. Then how we are going to pay for her GND stuff - she said that we are already doing so with hurricanes and floods and droughts and wildfires. She then introduced Bernie Sanders.

I think that racial and ethnic equity issues are a potential problem with renewable-energy development. Consider the  California water wars, where Los Angeles got the rights to Owens Valley water with what one author called "chicanery, subterfuge ... and a strategy of lies". Solar-panel farms are a potential problem here, like letting them be close to the ground instead of high up on posts to allow local people to grow crops and graze animals.
 
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