New Star Trek Series In Trouble

[ZiprHead]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/tv/news/a24814/star-trek-discovery-delayed/

Bad news, aspiring Starfleet captains: "Star Trek: Discovery," the first new Trek TV series since "Enterprise" went off the air more than a decade ago, has been delayed. We have no new date for when it might finally engage.

 

[DolphinDynasty]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/culture/tv/news/a24814/star-trek-discovery-delayed/

Bad news, aspiring Starfleet captains: "Star Trek: Discovery," the first new Trek TV series since "Enterprise" went off the air more than a decade ago, has been delayed. We have no new date for when it might finally engage.

This makes me sad. I kinda like the reboot, and have caught portions of all reiterations since the original, not one aside from perhaps Enterprise being a real disappointment.

 

[hurtinbuckaroo]

Maybe they decided it's been ridden into the ground, and they'd be better off coming up with something original. Like Buck Rogers.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

I'm guessing that the idea of the future being a utopia where the people of Earth all live together in peace and harmony was seen these days as a bit far fetched for a sci fi series and test viewers weren't buying the premise of the Federation.

 

[DolphinDynasty]

I'm guessing that the idea of the future being a utopia where the people of Earth all live together in peace and harmony was seen these days as a bit far fetched for a sci fi series and test viewers weren't buying the premise of the Federation.

Probably. And if trying to compare it to reality, it certainly would never fly in that sense either. Still, Star Tre was one of the most interesting trails to tae potential advancements as opposed to what most people seem to love watching, the kind of sci-fi that continuously relies on the trope of fearing teach advancements because when they get to sentient independent thought they'd somehow "naturally" try to overthrow or kill off all humans.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I'd like it if they went back to the Voyager idea and not fuck it up this time.

 

[DolphinDynasty]

I'd like it if they went back to the Voyager idea and not fuck it up this time.

Oh, I loved Voyager best f the newer versions! Although the idea of a hologram being able to physically touch and perform surgery on actual humans never made any sense, but he was riotously funny. I didn't mind Deep Space Nine either, cuz Warf still got a lot to do. Even doing a reimagining or continuation of Babylon 5 would be nice to see. Farscape too. The good stuff doesn't seem to get enough time slots or seasons, sigh.

 

[Jolly_Penguin]

I loved TNG and DS9 and thought Voyager was okay. I thought Enterprise was a step down but not terrible. I hate the reboots. I would like any new show to be put in the same timeline as TNG/DS9/Voyager, a few years later and with passing references to events that happened in those shows and maybe the occasional guest star appearance from some of the stars from those shows (now much older).

 

[DolphinDynasty]

I loved TNG and DS9 and thought Voyager was okay. I thought Enterprise was a step down but not terrible. I hate the reboots. I would like any new show to be put in the same timeline as TNG/DS9/Voyager, a few years later and with passing references to events that happened in those shows and maybe the occasional guest star appearance from some of the stars from those shows (now much older).

I think I'd have to agree. Unless something that had promise or could have been done wonderfully with the right production and direction and acting, and yet wasn't, like what they did to rip apart The Last Airbender series and squash it into a tow and half hour film, then no reboots most of the time. I just wasn't that impressed with many of the Star Trek films, though I liked or loved many of the series renditions and some of the novels based on Bradbury's work too.

The Next Generation was, to me, the best showing of the cosmos and individual worlds and cultures within it, but it therefore cannot be remade and still be just as wonderful let alone better. I can't think of a single actor who could even compare to how Patrick Stewart took to the role of Picard, or how the actress who played Dianna Troy (cannot remember her name but know she was from the former Yugoslavia) managed to work something so unreal like telepathy into a plausibility. The writers had a lot do with it, too, I know.

Maybe some critics are right and we can't think of anything knew -ish, some new twist the age old 8 themes used over and over fiction sortie and film, and we have no where else to go. In a sense, it would then be true that in hundreds of years, when we do have space stations and colonies in other solar systems and galaxies or on other worlds that we won't he much about art forms than what we do now.

 

[Shadowy Man]

how the actress who played Dianna Troy (cannot remember her name but know she was from the former Yugoslavia) managed to work something so unreal like telepathy into a plausibility.

Marina Sirtis. She was British, but her parents were Greek.

 

[Underseer]

I loved TNG and DS9 and thought Voyager was okay. I thought Enterprise was a step down but not terrible. I hate the reboots. I would like any new show to be put in the same timeline as TNG/DS9/Voyager, a few years later and with passing references to events that happened in those shows and maybe the occasional guest star appearance from some of the stars from those shows (now much older).

This. I agree with this.

As for the delay, a delay could be a good thing.

 

[DolphinDynasty]

how the actress who played Dianna Troy (cannot remember her name but know she was from the former Yugoslavia) managed to work something so unreal like telepathy into a plausibility.

Marina Sirtis. She was British, but her parents were Greek.

Yeah, I knew she didn't grow up in Eastern Europe, but thought I read it was Yugoslavia, or maybe it came from my Dad who married into a Slavic family that was quite rigid and arrogant about their own nationalism that they usually got it wrong when somebody was from that area. Heck, none of them could even point to their old village anymore after the breakup cuz they had different maps from when boundary lines were changing subtly, and the town they used to live in was on the border of one country one year, and a few years later in a different one and so on.

Thanks for the info, though.

 

[ZiprHead]

how the actress who played Dianna Troy (cannot remember her name but know she was from the former Yugoslavia) managed to work something so unreal like telepathy into a plausibility.

Marina Sirtis. She was British, but her parents were Greek.

She had great camel toes in some of the episodes.

 

[DolphinDynasty]

Marina Sirtis. She was British, but her parents were Greek.

She had great camel toes in some of the episodes.

Haha, I know! She aged well too, if I remember right when I saw her in some made for TV movie some years later. Gotta love the Trek uniforms for their lack of style and oddity, lolz. Most people would think wearing a onsie in a space ship would be counterintuitive in regard to bathroom use at the very least. Oddly, I miss Whoopie as Geinan most, though, and not like I thought she was all that funny in her comedic films.

 

[credoconsolans]

She had great camel toes in some of the episodes.

Haha, I know! She aged well too, if I remember right when I saw her in some made for TV movie some years later. Gotta love the Trek uniforms for their lack of style and oddity, lolz. Most people would think wearing a onsie in a space ship would be counterintuitive in regard to bathroom use at the very least. Oddly, I miss Whoopie as Geinan most, though, and not like I thought she was all that funny in her comedic films.

C'mon, they got rid of the onesie after the 1st season. They had shirts and trousers after that, hence the classic 'shirt pull down' of Picard's.

 

[DolphinDynasty]

Haha, I know! She aged well too, if I remember right when I saw her in some made for TV movie some years later. Gotta love the Trek uniforms for their lack of style and oddity, lolz. Most people would think wearing a onsie in a space ship would be counterintuitive in regard to bathroom use at the very least. Oddly, I miss Whoopie as Geinan most, though, and not like I thought she was all that funny in her comedic films.

C'mon, they got rid of the onesie after the 1st season. They had shirts and trousers after that, hence the classic 'shirt pull down' of Picard's.

True, true they did. I still thought, as a kid, it would've made sense for a future society to have more of a grasp on utility, and it was a bit sad to see nobody seemed to do anything in art in the twenty first century and beyond, cuz they only ever listened to music from baroque to classical, jazz, and watched crewmembers in the holodeck re-create Shakespeare, Sherlock Holmes and the like.

It makes me wonder, even though a scientist by profession, if there are a lot of us who think we will have no more art-forms or new pathways for storytelling? Bt then again, I just watched a doco on a Japanese artist who delved into Temporary Art, which he does with rapid, close-cropped and well timed fireworks that carry a sort of paint that upon explosion make enough color he can create abstract style formations in the air, and then it dissipates after a few seconds.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

I loved TNG and DS9 and thought Voyager was okay. I thought Enterprise was a step down but not terrible. I hate the reboots. I would like any new show to be put in the same timeline as TNG/DS9/Voyager, a few years later and with passing references to events that happened in those shows and maybe the occasional guest star appearance from some of the stars from those shows (now much older).

Janeway sucked, she had no consistency, and then... the fucking Borg. Hey look, whole new part of the universe. Look at all the new things... and the Borg.

The first ST i stopped watching.

 

[DolphinDynasty]

I loved TNG and DS9 and thought Voyager was okay. I thought Enterprise was a step down but not terrible. I hate the reboots. I would like any new show to be put in the same timeline as TNG/DS9/Voyager, a few years later and with passing references to events that happened in those shows and maybe the occasional guest star appearance from some of the stars from those shows (now much older).

Janeway sucked, she had no consistency, and then... the fucking Borg. Hey look, whole new part of the universe. Look at all the new things... and the Borg.

The first ST i stopped watching.

I've a question. How come so many of the captains of Start Trek vessels are either classically trained thespians or Brit classically trained thespians? They're scientists as well as commanders of star ships, so how come so many of the directors hire on individuals with some of the most exaggerated techniques as Shakespearian acting seems to have?

 

[marc]

Voyager was the only series I quit watching. It just got stupid, and they only had maybe 3 characters they knew what to do with. Everyone else became part of the background. Enterprise was ok, hated what they did with the final episode.

Best thing I saw for Trek in a long time was that fan made Prelude to Axanar, but then CBS had to bring a lawsuit to try and stop it. The case is finally settled, they will make their film, but with restrictions so it won't be as good as it could have been.

Think we need Star Trek right now, to give hope and inspire people as to what we could do.

 

[bilby]

C'mon, they got rid of the onesie after the 1st season. They had shirts and trousers after that, hence the classic 'shirt pull down' of Picard's.

True, true they did. I still thought, as a kid, it would've made sense for a future society to have more of a grasp on utility, and it was a bit sad to see nobody seemed to do anything in art in the twenty first century and beyond, cuz they only ever listened to music from baroque to classical, jazz, and watched crewmembers in the holodeck re-create Shakespeare, Sherlock Holmes and the like.

It makes me wonder, even though a scientist by profession, if there are a lot of us who think we will have no more art-forms or new pathways for storytelling? Bt then again, I just watched a doco on a Japanese artist who delved into Temporary Art, which he does with rapid, close-cropped and well timed fireworks that carry a sort of paint that upon explosion make enough color he can create abstract style formations in the air, and then it dissipates after a few seconds.

The problem with portraying art in Sci-Fi is that it exponentially increases the degree of difficulty. The production itself is an artistic endeavor, so nesting further artistic novelty, whether in the form of sculpture, painting, music, fashion, theatre, or even worse some completely new form, is hugely difficult, and fraught with danger. In a few years, people will watch the show and wonder why the art/fashion/style in the 25th century is so two years ago. So the tendency is to be bland, in the hope that things won't seem dated, rather than futuristic, in a year or two.

A production has a better chance of not looking ancient if its styles are bland. Of course, the technology can't be bland - futuristic tech lies at the core of Sci-Fi - and as a result, it dates very badly. The flip-out communicators in TOS were incredibly advanced to 1960s audiences; But today they are ludicrously clunky and feature poor. Even those technologies that remain 'futuristic' (phasers, transporters) are portrayed using special effects that leave modern audiences more amused than impressed.

Both Star Trek and Star Wars appear to have made deliberate decisions to go bland, on the understanding that today's futuristic is tomorrow's old-hat. Shows that didn't make that choice tend to look more like comedy than drama to modern audiences - I am thinking about Space 1999, which is so '70s it's almost painful, but it is far from the only offender. Only in the case of Dr Who is the changing of fashion almost a feature, rather than a bug, (particularly for nostalgic viewers of repeats). The idea of 'regeneration', allowing not only the lead actor, but also his style, to change over time was inspired - But the success of Dr Who means that other shows cannot use this trick, for fear of being branded derivative.

Creating art is hard; Creating art that appears futuristic is harder; Creating art that will continue to appear futuristic in the future is basically impossible. So we can't be too hard on Sci-Fi productions that try to avoid the issue as far as possible.