New Star Trek Series In Trouble

[blastula]

There's only one solution.

Scotty, divert more power to the new series!

 

[DrZoidberg]

I think that even the original Star Trek movies series was not really the way to go. Sure fans rave about Wrath of Khan and Save the Whales or whatever it was, but those aren't really Trek to me. They're just extended special episodes meant to pander to the fans. The real trek is in the episodic television format, morality plays with speculative fiction thrown in.

I think the franchise is dead, unless the new series can revive the feeling of the original series. For next big scifi epic, I think it might be better to start from scratch and do something that is inspired by Roddenberry's vision, rather than trying to forcefully fit into the convuluted existing trek universe that was driven off the cliff a long time ago.

I agree with that some fan creations based on the original show are pretty awesome. But there is a lot of utter crap there too. Axanar, based on the trailer looks pretty dumb to me.

But isn't a reboot only based on Roddenberry's work what they kept trying, first with Voyager, then Enterprise, and now this upcoming on. None of it has much of Rodenberry original work, just lot of tie-ins and they all fall flat. When some things die, they just die and it's okay to let it stay dead. We've still got the previous incursions and originals an all the books made from the epic start that Rodenberry began.

Rodenderry put his nose in all productions right up to his death. Turned out that he had a great feel and insight for what would work. Enterprise was the first series completely without his touch. And how did that work out.

It could very well be that there is nobody able to pick off where he left off.

Rodenderry had less of a say in the major films.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

But isn't a reboot only based on Roddenberry's work what they kept trying, first with Voyager, then Enterprise, and now this upcoming on. None of it has much of Rodenberry original work, just lot of tie-ins and they all fall flat. When some things die, they just die and it's okay to let it stay dead. We've still got the previous incursions and originals an all the books made from the epic start that Rodenberry began.

Rodenderry put his nose in all productions right up to his death. Turned out that he had a great feel and insight for what would work. Enterprise was the first series completely without his touch. And how did that work out.

With TNG? He almost killed it and then Patrick Stewart would have been relieved when the show got cancelled well before the 7 year run was up.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Rodenberry put his nose in all productions right up to his death. Turned out that he had a great feel and insight for what would work. Enterprise was the first series completely without his touch. And how did that work out.

With TNG? He almost killed it and then Patrick Stewart would have been relieved when the show got cancelled well before the 7 year run was up.

Not so sure about that. A shows legacy is often a mystery to everybody on the production but the director. Rodenberry's vision was crystal clear. The problem with a strong vision is that it often gets in the way of "great ideas" on the fly. Making it annoying for the cast and crew. All the great producers and directors have a reputation of being overly demanding and difficult.

But I was wrong btw, he wasn't involved in DS9 or Voyager. I just assumed he was since he was alive when those were in pre-production. But he wasn't. The success of those has to be explained some other way than Roddeberry's genius.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

With TNG? He almost killed it and then Patrick Stewart would have been relieved when the show got cancelled well before the 7 year run was up.

Not so sure about that. A shows legacy is often a mystery to everybody on the production but the director. Rodenberry's vision was crystal clear. The problem with a strong vision is that it often gets in the way of "great ideas" on the fly. Making it annoying for the cast and crew. All the great producers and directors have a reputation of being overly demanding and difficult.

The first couple of seasons of TNG were not that good. The show picked up greatly after his death.

But I was wrong btw, he wasn't involved in DS9 or Voyager.

Quite dead by that time.

I just assumed he was since he was alive when those were in pre-production. But he wasn't. The success of those has to be explained some other way than Roddeberry's genius.

Voyager was not a success. It could have been a contender, but ended up being nothing but a bum.

 

[Tigers!]

Silly me thought that the series had run into some Klingons.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Voyager was not a success. It could have been a contender, but ended up being nothing but a bum.

I measure success in how much I liked it. To quote Stalin, "fuck the people".

TNG, started weak, only got better and better.
DS9, Started strong. Became weak. And then got better toward the end.
Voyager. Started weak. Became strong in the middle. Ended weak.
TOS, Lolercoaster through and through.

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Silly me thought that the series had run into some Klingons.

I love that Duolingo is working on a course for Klingon

 

[bilby]

I measure success in how much I liked it. To quote Stalin, "fuck the people".

TNG, started weak, only got better and better.
DS9, Started strong. Became weak. And then got better toward the end.
Voyager. Started weak. Became strong in the middle. Ended weak.
TOS, Lolercoaster through and through.

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Silly me thought that the series had run into some Klingons.

I love that Duolingo is working on a course for Klingon

Why not? It has more speakers than Esperanto.

 

[barbos]

I loved TNG and DS9 and thought Voyager was okay. I thought Enterprise was a step down but not terrible. I hate the reboots. I would like any new show to be put in the same timeline as TNG/DS9/Voyager, a few years later and with passing references to events that happened in those shows and maybe the occasional guest star appearance from some of the stars from those shows (now much older).

Janeway sucked, she had no consistency.

Yes, she is a woman.

 

[DrZoidberg]

Why not? It has more speakers than Esperanto.

The thing I "love" about Esperanto is how much it is a product of it's time. They tried creating a simple language intended to be as easy or hard for anyone to learn regardless of your country of origin. But the language is based on Latin. Sure, it was intended to bridge the communication gaps of Europe. But it is outrageously Eurocentric.

There is something endearing about people who try super super hard not to be racist, but turn out to be, in hindsight, racist.

 

[bilby]

Why not? It has more speakers than Esperanto.

The thing I "love" about Esperanto is how much it is a product of it's time. They tried creating a simple language intended to be as easy or hard for anyone to learn regardless of your country of origin. But the language is based on Latin. Sure, it was intended to bridge the communication gaps of Europe. But it is outrageously Eurocentric.

There is something endearing about people who try super super hard not to be racist, but turn out to be, in hindsight, racist.

And as Klingon shows, what makes an artificial language popular is not that it is easy; it is that it is fun.

Klingon was deliberately designed to be difficult to speak - the grammar is intentionally alien to most of humanity, and the phonemes are staccato and guttural. But it's popular, because it's fun.

 

[Jayjay]

 

[James Brown]

A History of Klingon, the language.

Let's just skip over the customary jokes about 40-year-old virgins who still live in their parents' basements. Klingon speakers have heard them all. But the insults don't bother them, because they know something you don't. They know that Klingon is a sophisticated, extremely complex language that very few can master. I first came to Klingon as a linguist doing research for a book on artificial languages. My intention was to observe from a nice, distant, scientific perspective, but somehow I ended up with a little bronze pin indicating that I'd passed the first-level certification exam. The grammar offered an irresistible linguistic challenge. Klingon is difficult but not impossible, weird yet totally believable. Anyone can put on a pair of pointed ears or memorize some lines of dialogue, but learning to speak Klingon requires genuine hard work

 

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[Jimmy Higgins]

A History of Klingon, the language.

Let's just skip over the customary jokes about 40-year-old virgins who still live in their parents' basements. Klingon speakers have heard them all. But the insults don't bother them, because they know something you don't. They know that Klingon is a sophisticated, extremely complex language that very few can master. I first came to Klingon as a linguist doing research for a book on artificial languages. My intention was to observe from a nice, distant, scientific perspective, but somehow I ended up with a little bronze pin indicating that I'd passed the first-level certification exam. The grammar offered an irresistible linguistic challenge. Klingon is difficult but not impossible, weird yet totally believable. Anyone can put on a pair of pointed ears or memorize some lines of dialogue, but learning to speak Klingon requires genuine hard work

And is a complete waste of time, but if it makes someone happy.

 

[DrZoidberg]

A History of Klingon, the language.

And is a complete waste of time, but if it makes someone happy.

Life as a whole is a waste of time. So your point is?

 

[Tom Sawyer]

There's only one solution.

Scotty, divert more power to the new series!

They should try reconfiguring the warp core. That solved pretty much every problem.

 

[Shadowy Man]

There's only one solution.

Scotty, divert more power to the new series!

They should try reconfiguring the warp core. That solved pretty much every problem.

I thought the cure-all was reversing the polarity. "Scotty, just plug it in backwards!!"

 

[DrZoidberg]

They should try reconfiguring the warp core. That solved pretty much every problem.

I thought the cure-all was reversing the polarity. "Scotty, just plug it in backwards!!"

I just love Star Trek technobabble and hand-waving. I think they use it masterfully. It's always with a wink and a nod when they're off the deep end.

The transporters include a component called a "Heisenberg compensator" as a handwave to get around quantum uncertainty effects. Michael Okuda (one of the designers of Star Trek, starting with the fourth movie) got around a question during an interview for Time Magazine about how it works by answering, "It works very well, thank you."

He's also quoted with saying, when asked what the tricorder does; "whatever moves the plot forward"

 

[marc]

I just love Star Trek technobabble and hand-waving. I think they use it masterfully. It's always with a wink and a nod when they're off the deep end.

That was one thing I found annoying about TNG, it became the sub-atomic particle/radiation of the week to solve the problems. Technobable to explain away advanced technology, or the cause of a problem is ok. But it started becoming a crutch for solving the problems.