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Norwegian actress Tonje Gjevjon faces up to 3 years in prison for saying men cannot be lesbians

Bomb#20 said:
Politesse said:
Well, do you? Feel that she should be immune from legal consequence?
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She obviously should be.

If so, on what grounds?
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On the grounds that Norway is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights.

But what you cannot have is a system of law in which some people are held to the letter of the law, while others are prosecuted.
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Precisely. The Norwegian government passing and enforcing censorship laws in violation of its treaty obligations means the people ruling Norway are not being held to the letter of the law.
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If you say so. It's just a typical European hate speech law.
 
Metaphor said:
I'm not sure why a fuss has been made of how she was identified in the NYP article.
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I had to double check to see who posted this, but this is without a doubt the funniest thing Metaphor has posted. Well done.
 
blastula said:
Bomb#20 said:
Politesse said:
Well, do you? Feel that she should be immune from legal consequence?
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She obviously should be.

If so, on what grounds?
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On the grounds that Norway is a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights.
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If you say so. It's just a typical European hate speech law.
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That a human rights guarantee in the law is typically ignored by a government is not an excuse for ignoring it. The U.S. enacted equal protection in our Constitution, and then went right on prosecuting interracial sex and marriage for another 99 years. Don't you agree Americans should have been immune all that time from legal consequence for having sex with someone a person of another race was allowed to have sex with, even though it was just a typical American racist miscegenation law?
 
I always find it interesting what people decide to rage post about on any platform. Or rather, that they decide to rage post at all. I'm not certain what goes on in people's lives that motivates them to use their time this way.

Thanks to Politesse for investigating further to find the story behind the NYPost story.
 
Patooka said:
Metaphor said:
I'm not sure why a fuss has been made of how she was identified in the NYP article.
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I had to double check to see who posted this, but this is without a doubt the funniest thing Metaphor has posted. Well done.
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I am pretty sure a lot of people are upset at how they are identified in New York Post articles! To quote one of the new greats:



"Uh, the New York Post is my favorite newspaper. I think it's great, I read it every day. I like reading the New York Post because reading the New York Post is like talking to someone who heard the news, and now they're trying to give you the gist. It’s like, you’d get the same amount of information if you grabbed someone on the street and you were like, 'What happened today?' And they're like, 'There’s a perv in Queens!' You'd be like, 'All right, thank you!'"

Now, the thought of foreigners mistaking one of our most notorious tabloids for a serious journalistic enterprise is just funny. But when Americans make the same mistake, it worries me a tad... worried. This is what happens when you teach kids grammar but not context; a generation (or three) of people who know how to read but not what they are reading.
 
Bomb#20 said:
That a human rights guarantee in the law is typically ignored by a government is not an excuse for ignoring it. The U.S. enacted equal protection in our Constitution, and then went right on prosecuting interracial sex and marriage for another 99 years. Don't you agree Americans should have been immune all that time from legal consequence for having sex with someone a person of another race was allowed to have sex with, even though it was just a typical American racist miscegenation law?
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They have different values than I do. I don't agree with their hate speech laws, but the ECHR court has plausibly ruled in their favor. The treaty includes a right to free expression but also a competing "right to respect for his private and family life." (They should probably reword that more inclusively.)
 
This Norwegian story says that Christine Jentoft, the trans woman Gjevjon attacked, said that she had nothing to do with complaint, but that she was contacted by police about it and says it is based on that one referenced Facebook post.

She also said that the complaint she made against somebody else, Christina Ellingsen, was dismissed. So bringing a complaint is no guarantee of a conviction.

The article is quoting Jentoft from her Facebook post.

By the way, don't Norwegians know Facebook is dead?
 
Metaphor said:
Gospel said:
I don't agree with the government going after you directly but I do believe that if your words cause provable/tangible harm, the harmed party should be able to legally go after you.
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In this scenario (saying publically that men cannot be lesbians), what kind of "tangible" harm would arise?
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None that I can think of, but I wouldn't bet against human creativity in regards to finding a way to screw each other over.
 
barbos said:
I did not know this guy until he was fired for stealing luggage at the airport.
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Biden's non-binary nuclear waste worker Sam Brinton is OUT of a job

Sam Brinton, 35, is no longer employed by the Department of Energy after they were accused of stealing luggage in two separate incidents.
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You can't make this shit up. How he was even hired? what was his qualification?
Oh, wait, he has qualification, damn!
en.wikipedia.org

Sam Brinton - Wikipedia

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Is this post in some way relevant to the thread topic? I'm not seeing it.

What I do see is a stupid attempt to smear the President by associating him with a dumbass government employee he'd probably never heard of before this.
Tom
 
Politesse said:
If anyone is curious about the actual facts of the case (because of course the harassment went WAY beyond the mild comment quoted in the article, and also has been going on for years now) you can read the whole thing, complete with handdrawn pornographic sex assault images by the "Actress" herself, at the link:

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No great surprise, as this is pretty much whenever you find when you start digging for the real story behind any NY Post attention grab.
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So, just to sum up here: an anti-gay, anti-trans bigot picks up the crusade from another bigot who got charged, repeats the exact conduct of the charged person (who got 15 days for a sustained attack), loudly screams "ARREST ME!" And what? People are surprised when she gets arrested?

She was harassing someone, violating their privacy, and making both libellous and slanderous statements about people. None of that is protected speech even in the US.
 
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