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Wonder why she’s talking now? Is something Greenberg saying making a case for her to reach a deal? Or is she just a straight up witness to his crimes? He’s been pretty sloppy, so it could be she’s just a witness.

Could be she's now feeling safe enough to speak up.
 

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Newsmax turned down embattled Republican Matt Gaetz for a job -spokesperson

Conservative media outlet Newsmax, a favorite of former President Donald Trump's, rejected embattled Republican U.S. Representative Matt Gaetz's request for a job, a spokesperson for the website said on Monday.

Gaetz contacted Newsmax early this year, a source at the outlet said. That was around the time that news broke Gaetz was the subject of a federal investigation into possible sex trafficking of a minor.

Looks like he knows his days in congress are numbered.
 

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Newsmax turned down embattled Republican Matt Gaetz for a job -spokesperson

Conservative media outlet Newsmax, a favorite of former President Donald Trump's, rejected embattled Republican U.S. Representative Matt Gaetz's request for a job, a spokesperson for the website said on Monday.

Gaetz contacted Newsmax early this year, a source at the outlet said. That was around the time that news broke Gaetz was the subject of a federal investigation into possible sex trafficking of a minor.

Looks like he knows his days in congress are numbered.

Are they, though?
 

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Newsmax turned down embattled Republican Matt Gaetz for a job -spokesperson

Conservative media outlet Newsmax, a favorite of former President Donald Trump's, rejected embattled Republican U.S. Representative Matt Gaetz's request for a job, a spokesperson for the website said on Monday.

Gaetz contacted Newsmax early this year, a source at the outlet said. That was around the time that news broke Gaetz was the subject of a federal investigation into possible sex trafficking of a minor.

Looks like he knows his days in congress are numbered.

Are they, though?

That's easy. If Trump doesn't want you you're gone, ask Liz Cheney and Shepard Smith.
 

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Is Gaetz likely to be charged with anything besides sex trafficking (and similar crimes)? Greenberg committed other crimes, but was Gaetz in on any of that?

Sixteen is the age of consent in most of the South; I think many will view the sex charge as over-reach.

(I am NOT suggesting that Gaetz is technically innocent of "sex trafficking," just that Trumpists will regard this as a trumped-up charge and treat Gaetz as a martyr.)
 

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Is Gaetz likely to be charged with anything besides sex trafficking (and similar crimes)? Greenberg committed other crimes, but was Gaetz in on any of that?

Sixteen is the age of consent in most of the South; I think many will view the sex charge as over-reach.

(I am NOT suggesting that Gaetz is technically innocent of "sex trafficking," just that Trumpists will regard this as a trumped-up charge and treat Gaetz as a martyr.)

Well the federal law is for transporting anyone under 18, so local state age of consent doesn't apply to that. Some of the recent reports would indicate they can add obstruction of justice for getting involved in a call he shouldn't have been a part of.
 

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Is Gaetz likely to be charged with anything besides sex trafficking (and similar crimes)? Greenberg committed other crimes, but was Gaetz in on any of that?

Sixteen is the age of consent in most of the South; I think many will view the sex charge as over-reach.

(I am NOT suggesting that Gaetz is technically innocent of "sex trafficking," just that Trumpists will regard this as a trumped-up charge and treat Gaetz as a martyr.)

A witness has already testified that Gaetz and Greenberg were together doing illegal things with state IDs and driver's licenses.
 

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Is Gaetz likely to be charged with anything besides sex trafficking (and similar crimes)? Greenberg committed other crimes, but was Gaetz in on any of that?

Sixteen is the age of consent in most of the South; I think many will view the sex charge as over-reach.

(I am NOT suggesting that Gaetz is technically innocent of "sex trafficking," just that Trumpists will regard this as a trumped-up charge and treat Gaetz as a martyr.)

It's not just in the South. The age of consent is 16 in 32 states, including several northern ones. But, this is more about sexual exploitation, something very different.

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/age-of-consent-in-the-us-by-state.html

Statutory rape laws are necessary for the society because they protect minors from sexual exploitation. Most communities deem young people capable of making decisions concerning intimate relationships when they attain 16 years of age. However, even in these societies, persons below 18 years of age are still considered as children and the law protects them from sexual exploitation, especially by persons of authority and close relatives such as guardians.


Age Of Consent In The US By State

State Age Of Consent
Alabama 16
Alaska 16
Arizona 18
Arkansas 16
California 18
Colorado 17
Connecticut 16
Delaware 18
District of Columbia 16
Florida 18
Georgia 16
Hawaii 16
Idaho 18
Illinois 17
Indiana 16
Iowa 16
Kansas 16
Kentucky 16
Louisiana 17
Maine 16
Maryland 16
Massachusetts 16
Michigan 16
Minnesota 16
Mississippi 16
Missouri 17
Montana 16
Nebraska 16
Nevada 16
New Hampshire 16
New Jersey 16
New Mexico 17
New York 17
North Carolina 16
North Dakota 18
Ohio 16
Oklahoma 16
Oregon 18
Pennsylvania 16
Rhode Island 16
South Carolina 16
South Dakota 16
Tennessee 18
Texas 17
Utah 18
Vermont 16
Virginia 18
Washington 16
West Virginia 16
Wisconsin 18
Wyoming 17

I think the primary reason that the age of consent is 16 is to allow two teenagers to have sex without being charged with a crime. Matt is an authority figure, afaic, so I think the sexual exploitation, in this case, sex trafficking would apply to him.
 

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Is Gaetz likely to be charged with anything besides sex trafficking (and similar crimes)? Greenberg committed other crimes, but was Gaetz in on any of that?

Sixteen is the age of consent in most of the South; I think many will view the sex charge as over-reach.

(I am NOT suggesting that Gaetz is technically innocent of "sex trafficking," just that Trumpists will regard this as a trumped-up charge and treat Gaetz as a martyr.)
Daddy is very wealthy and can afford incredible lawyers for his son that likes porking high schoolers after snorting coke off their butts. So, the method of investigation will require a lot of perfection as well as using Gaetz's snortin' bud to do a lot of the talkin'... providing hard copy evidence to prove this stuff happened, but a rich person's lawyer will tear through him otherwise in their narrative of how this is nothing but a political witch hunt. If there are receipts and pics, that'll be harder to tidy up. And hopefully these prosecutors are wise in every step they take.
 

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Is Gaetz likely to be charged with anything besides sex trafficking (and similar crimes)? Greenberg committed other crimes, but was Gaetz in on any of that?

Sixteen is the age of consent in most of the South; I think many will view the sex charge as over-reach.

(I am NOT suggesting that Gaetz is technically innocent of "sex trafficking," just that Trumpists will regard this as a trumped-up charge and treat Gaetz as a martyr.)

What they think will depend on what Trump says.

This is how it works right now.
 

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What they think will depend on what Trump says.
This is how it works right now.

Not exactly. The lemmings mostly don't think. The DC Repug politicians think. But only what they say they think depends on what Trump says.
Trump is fading into the night even as we speak. He is shedding lemmings like a CPAC convention sheds virus particles.
As soon as Trump "decides" (being behind bars or having fled the Country) not to seek the GOP nomination, the Washington 'pugs will let you know what they really wanted to say they thought all along.
In reality though, all that they really truly think is "how can I keep this phony baloney job?" and "is there some fallout from Trump's demise that can benefit me?".

As for his voter/followers, they don't think. They know. Until they get hit in the face with the truth, and then they're shocked. That happens all too rarely, but it will continue apace until most of them say they never really believed him or supported him.
 

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I thought the clown never could be elected.

Trump lowered my opinion of Americans greatly.

I wait to see the Republican that could beat Trump in the primaries.
 

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Woah woah woah. I'm not American (legal permanent resident at the time of this post), but I know it's unfair to allow Trump to lower your opinion of American's in general. Not everyone voted for him ya know. It's easy to beat him anyway. All you have to do is talk about Christ in modern terms while serving up history lessons with undertones of restoring the great white America of old. Just put it in better words than Trump's acoustic murmurs. Then like the Majority of Presidents, once you get it in the White House do some other shit.
 

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Nothing unfair about having a negative opinion about anyone who could support Trump.

They are trolling.

They are saying F*** you!

It is nihilistic.

They aren't getting anything from it beyond a sadistic pleasure that many people are upset.
 

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Gaetz's law-school classmates want him to resign

Dammit. Pay wall popped up before I got a chance to quote. Sorry.

I did get this though:

The Florida congressman's scandals loom large over his former friends and acquaintances from William & Mary Law School's class of 2007. They remember him as an attention-seeker with a frat-boy vibe and a keg at the ready....Thirty-four of Gaetz's fellow classmates joined a group of more than 500 William & Mary Law School alumni who signed a petition urging him to resign.
 

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I thought the clown never could be elected.

Trump lowered my opinion of Americans greatly.

I wait to see the Republican that could beat Trump in the primaries.

When the Out of Power Party, the OOPP faces the incumbent President, they are faced with a stark choice. They can choose a candidate with a good chance of winning, assuming such a chance exists, or choose a candidate who will likely lose, and cause the least disruption to the party. John McCain was the perfect loser candidate. He could run against a popular President and lose without compromising other Republicans chances in the following election.

Up to this point in US history, one term former Presidents have had the good sense to sit back and enjoy their retirement, but good sense in the GOP has greatly deteriorated in the past four years.

When I read the tea leaves, what I see is a lot of potential candidates who are ready and willing to give Trump lip service for the time being, but are counting on Trump self destruction before the Iowa Caucuses get started. This means they can go along with Trump's 2024 ambitions, and see it as a no risk strategy. They appear to be a loyal Trump supporter, but will never be asked to actually support him.
 

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Up to this point in US history, one term former Presidents have had the good sense to sit back and enjoy their retirement, but good sense in the GOP has greatly deteriorated in the past four years.

Apparently good sense doesn't apply to fiddle right and marching left. Williams Jennings Bryan,  Gus Hall, and  Norman Thomas come to mind. Professional candidates they for lost cause parties before Roosevelt, Communists and Socialists before the cold war.

Thanks for permitting temporary refuge from Matty the Stupid Floridian
 

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There, there. No need to question the loyalty of these young hate-filled MAGAites. I'm sure they were happy with million-dollar grifts, pleased by comparisons of masks to the Holocaust, and certainly overjoyed to chant "Stop the Steal."

They just drew the line at 17 year-old hookers, perhaps due to pressure from their own 21 year-old girlfriends.
 

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Up to this point in US history, one term former Presidents have had the good sense to sit back and enjoy their retirement, but good sense in the GOP has greatly deteriorated in the past four years.

Apparently good sense doesn't apply to fiddle right and marching left. Williams Jennings Bryan,  Gus Hall, and  Norman Thomas come to mind. Professional candidates they for lost cause parties before Roosevelt, Communists and Socialists before the cold war.

Thanks for permitting temporary refuge from Matty the Stupid Floridian

What all those perennial candidates had in common is they lived in the era before pre-televised conventions. It was the day of the smoke filled room and who became the party's nominee was determined by several hundred middle aged white men, who didn't have to justify their final choice to anyone. Bryant was one of the best at this game, for all the good it did him.
 

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Up to this point in US history, one term former Presidents have had the good sense to sit back and enjoy their retirement, but good sense in the GOP has greatly deteriorated in the past four years.

Apparently good sense doesn't apply to fiddle right and marching left. Williams Jennings Bryan,  Gus Hall, and  Norman Thomas come to mind. Professional candidates they for lost cause parties before Roosevelt, Communists and Socialists before the cold war.

Thanks for permitting temporary refuge from Matty the Stupid Floridian

Bryan wasn’t a candidate for a lost party. Nor a socialist. He was a lefty populist.
 

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Matt Gaetz awkwardly deletes tweet calling for the defunding of the FBI

One of those policies is a fervent opposition to progressive calls to “defund the police,” an unfortunate misnomer for the reallocation of police budgets to fund less confrontational methods to deal with people suffering from public mental health crises and minor traffic violations.

Republicans like Rep. Gaetz have weaponized the idea of defunding the police to use against Democrats as a potent, if misleading, political tool as they try to paint their opposition as soft on crime rather than simply trying to prevent further unwarranted killings of unarmed Black people though law enforcement misconduct.

With Gaetz himself now reportedly under investigation by the Federal Bureau of Investigation for his sex trafficking allegations, however, his attitudes towards law enforcement have become somewhat more complicated.

So much so that, after posting a tweet calling for the defunding of the FBI, the very bureau that has him in its crosshairs, Gaetz quickly thought better of how it might appear to his MAGA supporters who fly their Thin Blue Line flags outside their trailers and on their pickup trucks.

It only took the Florida congressman a minute to decide that he had better delete that tweet before he irreparably damaged his bona fides with the “law & order” crowd who have yet to abandon him for his alleged crimes.
 

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Not sure why he'd delete it for that reason. Aren't the "pry my guns from my dead hands" folks talking about the feds?
 

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This is fun.

MeidasTouch.com on Twitter: "Three million views already. Wow! We're not done humiliating Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene yet. Keep retweeting. (vid link)" / Twitter - someone teased MG about being a pedophile.

Ema Sasic on Twitter: "JUST IN: The “America First” rally with Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Matt Gaetz that was scheduled for 6 pm Saturday at the Riverside Convention Center will not take place (pix link)" / Twitter

Gaetz and Greene Hold Bizarre Outdoor Protest After Multiple Venues Bailed
The controversial pair were forced to address supporters on the street outside the Riverside City Hall, after three California venues turned their planned “protest” away.

Republican Reps. Matt Gaetz and Marjorie Taylor Greene hoped the third time might be the charm for finding a California venue to host their “America First” rally on Saturday night. But instead of speaking to a packed arena, the pair were left with the sidewalk outside the Riverside City Hall.

Greene used the “Peaceful Protest Against Communism” to hawk vaccine hesitancy. She urged the crowd, “Don’t let them force your kids to wear masks at school. Don’t let your kids be forced to take a vaccine that’s not FDA approved.” Meanwhile, coronavirus cases in California are surging as the more contagious Delta variant rips through the unvaccinated population.

Gaetz, who is currently under federal investigation for sex trafficking and abuse of a minor, railed against “the corrupt forces in the Department of Justice and the FBI” and complained that the private venues’ refusals to host the pair amounted to an infringement on their freedom of speech.

“They may try to cancel us online, they may try to pursue us in real life, they may shut down our venues, but we will take this fight to them in the courts, in the halls of Congress, and if necessary in the streets,” he said.
They call themselves victims. It figures.
 

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Matt Gaetz’s Future Sister-in-Law Says He’s a Gaslighting ‘Creep’

Rep. Matt Gaetz’s future sister-in-law appears to have had more than enough of the Florida congressman, posting three TikTok videos in the last two days slamming him as “weird and creepy” and “a literal pedophile.”

Roxanne Luckey—the sister of Gaetz’s fiancée, Ginger Luckey—was sharply critical of the congressman and his treatment of young women, saying she “unfortunately was not surprised” to have learned Gaetz was under federal investigation for alleged sex crimes.

In one video Monday night, Roxanne Luckey told a story about Gaetz pressuring an older man to court her when she was 19. She called the move “weird and creepy”—and claims Gaetz yelled at her and her mother and went “full lawyer” when she confronted him.

“I saw the character and type of person he is, and when everything came out about him, I honestly, unfortunately, was not surprised,” Luckey said in one video.

“As someone who has personally experienced a ton of creepy old politician men hitting on me when I was underage, and experiencing sexual assault at that age by people of power, it’s very disheartening and I have zero tolerance of people like [Gaetz],” said Roxanne, who in 2020 worked briefly as a White House intern. She added that she is “tired of them getting away with this type of stuff.”
 

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Texts show Joel Greenberg arranging for him and Matt Gaetz to meet a woman who 'usually' requires '$400 per meet,' report says

Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz's former right-hand man Joel Greenberg has given prosecutors years' worth of electronic cash transactions and "thousands" of pictures and videos as part of a broad sex-trafficking probe, sources told ABC News.

The outlet also reviewed
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text messages that Greenberg is said to have sent in September 2018 to a woman he met online. The text messages appear to show Greenberg asking the woman whether she was of legal age and whether she would take drugs, ABC reported. He then asked whether she'd like to meet with him and Gaetz. He added, "And how much of an allowance will you be requiring :)," the report said.

The woman replied that she had a friend who introduced her to the website whom she could bring. She also said that she "usually" requires "$400 per meet," the report said.

More in the link.
 

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Would it make things better for Gaetz if the girls are using the money to pay for their college education? I mean, he's against free colleges so I guess this is his answer to the student debt crisis.
 

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And now we have a new sex scandal. "Republican strategist and campaign manager" Anton Lazzaro has now been arrested for under aged sex trafficking and obstruction of justice.
 

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Some context in regards to Lazzaro:

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Let the 9,548,256th, "never knew the guy" games begin.
 

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And now we have a new sex scandal. "Republican strategist and campaign manager" Anton Lazzaro has now been arrested for under aged sex trafficking and obstruction of justice.

If there was no pizza involved republicans won't care.
 

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Gaetz and his office need to talk more.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/delinquent-matt-gaetz-currently-blocked-from-practicing-law

So, Matty let his license to practice law in Florida lapse.
He's not disbarred (yet), he just didn't renew, which is a $265 fee. Kind of unusual for someone making laws at the Capitol.
His office says that he's making 'a career change.'
“Congressman Gaetz is no longer actively engaged in the practice of law. He is focused on representing his constituents in Congress, not the courtroom,” said his office’s communications director, Joel Valdez.

There's keeping it active, and there's a slightly cheaper 'inactive' alternative for $175, or there's letting it go by inattention to fees and deadlines.

After the office released the above statement, though, Gaetz not only paid the fee, but another $200 late fee, to keep the license he chose not to keep...
 

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Not certain why someone would let their law license lapse. Too much money involved in being a lawyer, or is he done actually trying to work for a living to help support his umm.... whatever that teen was/is.
 

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Not certain why someone would let their law license lapse. Too much money involved in being a lawyer, or is he done actually trying to work for a living to help support his umm.... whatever that teen was/is.

Well, it was before the last date to send it in so nothing lapsed but my wife's renewal never got to the board--stolen in the mail. Next year the board gets a bill-pay check instead of a personal check.
 

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Not certain why someone would let their law license lapse. Too much money involved in being a lawyer, or is he done actually trying to work for a living to help support his umm.... whatever that teen was/is.

Well, it was before the last date to send it in so nothing lapsed but my wife's renewal never got to the board--stolen in the mail. Next year the board gets a bill-pay check instead of a personal check.
So, you still didn't 'let' it lapse. You did your part to ensure continuity....
 

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Not certain why someone would let their law license lapse. Too much money involved in being a lawyer, or is he done actually trying to work for a living to help support his umm.... whatever that teen was/is.

Well, it was before the last date to send it in so nothing lapsed but my wife's renewal never got to the board--stolen in the mail. Next year the board gets a bill-pay check instead of a personal check.
So, you still didn't 'let' it lapse. You did your part to ensure continuity....

We noticed it because of the long lag. Had it not gone in months early it could easily have not been noticed. (Their response time in general is pretty bad--it's very much part time.)
 

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An ex-girlfriend of Rep. Matt Gaetz, who is seen as a key witness in the investigation into alleged sex trafficking by the Florida Republican, testified on Wednesday before a grand jury investigating the congressman.
The development is the latest signal that the long-running investigation into Gaetz remains active. A source familiar with the case had previously told CNN the ex-girlfriend would appear before the grand jury.
CNN spotted the woman arriving at a federal courthouse in Orlando, Florida, with her lawyer on Wednesday. She has since concluded her testimony in the Gaetz case and left the courthouse.
Her lawyer, Timothy Jansen, briefly addressed reporters gathered outside the courthouse. "All I can say is CNN saw me and my client come in, and I am confirming I am here, but I can't make any comment," he said.
The woman, a former Capitol Hill staffer, has been linked to Gaetz as far back as the summer of 2017. Investigators are interested in that period of time because that is when the congressman is accused of having sexual contact with another woman, who was 17 years old at the time.
Legal experts say the ex-girlfriend's testimony is an essential step prosecutors would take before charging Gaetz and that it signals federal prosecutors may be close to indicting the congressman. Any criminal charges against a sitting member of Congress would have to be approved at the highest level of the Justice Department.
Multiple people familiar with the matter have told CNN that a grand jury -- a group of laymen who hears evidence presented by prosecutors behind closed doors about a potential crime -- has been meeting at the George C. Young Federal Annex Courthouse regarding the Gaetz investigation.
 

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An ex-girlfriend of Rep. Matt Gaetz, who is seen as a key witness in the investigation into alleged sex trafficking by the Florida Republican, testified on Wednesday before a grand jury investigating the congressman.
The development is the latest signal that the long-running investigation into Gaetz remains active. A source familiar with the case had previously told CNN the ex-girlfriend would appear before the grand jury.
CNN spotted the woman arriving at a federal courthouse in Orlando, Florida, with her lawyer on Wednesday. She has since concluded her testimony in the Gaetz case and left the courthouse.
Her lawyer, Timothy Jansen, briefly addressed reporters gathered outside the courthouse. "All I can say is CNN saw me and my client come in, and I am confirming I am here, but I can't make any comment," he said.
The woman, a former Capitol Hill staffer, has been linked to Gaetz as far back as the summer of 2017. Investigators are interested in that period of time because that is when the congressman is accused of having sexual contact with another woman, who was 17 years old at the time.
Legal experts say the ex-girlfriend's testimony is an essential step prosecutors would take before charging Gaetz and that it signals federal prosecutors may be close to indicting the congressman. Any criminal charges against a sitting member of Congress would have to be approved at the highest level of the Justice Department.
Multiple people familiar with the matter have told CNN that a grand jury -- a group of laymen who hears evidence presented by prosecutors behind closed doors about a potential crime -- has been meeting at the George C. Young Federal Annex Courthouse regarding the Gaetz investigation.
Regular fucking philosopher, ain’t he?
 

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Yup. She gave up the goods on him. The party of Family Values better start getting their "Yeah Buts" lined up.
Or her background check. She can't be that good of a witness against Gaetz, she was getting a "D" in Government at the time! Plus the two times she's been on Detention!
 

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Yup. She gave up the goods on him. The party of Family Values better start getting their "Yeah Buts" lined up.
Or her background check. She can't be that good of a witness against Gaetz, she was getting a "D" in Government at the time! Plus the two times she's been on Detention!
Took me a minute...
 

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"Matt Gaetz is turning into everything Republicans were trying to turn Hunter Biden into" - seen on the internet
 

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A close friend and former government employee of Joel Greenberg, Joe Ellicott, is set to plead guilty to conspiracy to commit wire fraud and distribution of a controlled substance in the latest development in an investigation that includes a probe into allegations of possible sex trafficking of a minor by Florida Congressman Matt Gaetz, which he vehemently denies.

While Greenberg is not named, according to court documents unsealed overnight, Ellicott is set to plead guilty to working with a "government official" who assumed office in 2017 to commit wire fraud by facilitating bribery connected to government contracts that were signed by the "public official" who took office in 2017.
Ellicott could emerge as a key witness in the ongoing sex traffic investigation, and appears to have information that may be damning to others beyond Greenberg, sources say.

As ABC News previously reported, in a private text exchange over the encrypted messaging app Signal, Ellicott allegedly told Greenberg in August 2020 that a mutual friend was worried she could be implicated in the investigation into the sex ring involving a minor.
 
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