Over population derail from "Humans as non-animals"

[Loren Pechtel]

I don't know how the arithmetic on flint works out, so just checking here... You guys know that when Loren says "sustainable" he means sustainable until the oceans boil away in a billion years, right?

No. I mean "sustainable" as in not going to be the cause of our downfall. Earth will be uninhabitable to humanity long before the oceans boil.

Same diff -- my point was to check whether, when your critics talk about how plentiful deposits are, they understand they need to be mentally multiplying the consumption rate by millions of years, not thousands.

Yeah, the standard "green" approach envisions humanity on a decline out to the end of their predictions. And with no reason to think the decline will do anything but continue to accelerate. I do not consider that sustainable, just prolonging things.

Why does green mean continual decline, and of what? What do greenies envision declining indefinitely? Numbers of humans? We will be lucky if we reach a static global population soon; high percentage declines globally usually have to do with natural events like volcanoes and impacts, pestilences and nasty stuff like that. Wars kill a lot but they’re usually mostly men. Men are replaceable. In fact that’s a big reason they (we) try to wipe each other out.

But back to prolonging things, Loren.
I see predictions that oceans will evaporate over the 500 million years following the demise of humans, which is expected in about 500 my from today.

If the species makes it another 500 THOUSAND years it will defy the odds for a mammalian species. If it’s gone in 500 years I won’t be surprised (I’ll be dead).

I'm not saying green means decline, but that every green prediction I've seen of the long term (hundreds of years) future is one of decline.

 

[DBT]

Business as usual won't give us another 500 years.

 

[bilby]

Business as usual won't give us another 500 years.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but nobody here will get another 100 years, no matter how we conduct business.

 

[DBT]

Wow, who would have thought.

 

[Elixir]

Business as usual won't give us another 500 years.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but nobody here will get another 100 years, no matter how we conduct business.

If some here are as young in body as they are in mind, they have a decent chance.

 

[unapologetic]

Business as usual won't give us another 500 years.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but nobody here will get another 100 years, no matter how we conduct business.

If some here are as young in body as they are in mind, they have a decent chance.

My mother lived to 98, so my grandkids have a chance to live to 100 see the end of civilization.

Hell, if Rump annexes all our allies he says he will, and sets off WWIII, I might see the end of civilization.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

Business as usual won't give us another 500 years.

I hate to be the one to break it to you, but nobody here will get another 100 years, no matter how we conduct business.

If some here are as young in body as they are in mind, they have a decent chance.

My mother lived to 98, so my grandkids have a chance to live to 100 see the end of civilization.

Hell, if Rump annexes all our allies he says he will, and sets off WWIII, I might see the end of civilization.

Look at Musk's approach to cutting things: cut until things break, then back off a bit. Note that that will remove reserve capacity. When you operate too close to 100% things tend to break. And if there's no extra to take over we might get a grid down situation even without a war.

 

[unapologetic]

even without a war.

We are now in a 'cold civil-war'. It's not just a 'political rivalry' anymore. DOGE is destroying infrastructure.

 

[Politesse]

even without a war.

We are now in a 'cold civil-war'. It's not just a 'political rivalry' anymore. DOGE is destroying infrastructure.

And lives. Our overseas concentration camps are growing.

 

[Jokodo]

@bilby I can't say I've met Moroccan or Thai day labourers on this particular message board, but I having recently been to Thailand I can confirm that street vendors, moto taxi drivers, or fishermen passing their idle time on a smart phone is a regular sight there. I don't remember noticing that 5 years ago.

Maybe they joined the Internet when message boards were already stale and were initiated straight to TikTok?

The world is a changing, and people who feel they made it when they can afford a motorbike being digital natives is one of the ways in which it does.