Pelosi: Impeachment Is Moving Forward

[starwater]

The White House is admitting to quid pro quo - CNN is reporting

It's like a scab - the more you pick at it the more it bleeds.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

Democrats: just read the call transcript
Trump: No quid pro quo
Conservolibertarians: I don't see it
Mulvaney: of course we did a quid pro quo. "Get over it!"

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

They haven’t admitted a quid pro quo, they are creating a fake narrative that this was about pre-existing crime by the Dems to fix the 2016 election, not to use in the election in 2020. It is embarrassing that 35% of America is falling for it.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Democrats: just read the call transcript
Trump: No quid pro quo
Conservolibertarians: I don't see it
Mulvaney: of course we did a quid pro quo. "Get over it!"

White House Lawyers: Mulvaney is on crack.

 

[Cheerful Charlie]

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/10/gi...ts-ex-trump-lawyer-says-he-has-seen-the-book/
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Former Donald Trump lawyer Jay Goldberg on Thursday revealed that he has seen a secret “book” compiled by Rudy Giuliani logging his contracts in Ukraine.
During an interview with MSNBC’s Ari Melber, Goldberg says the book as not yet been subpoenaed.
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Just when I start thinking it can't get any worse, it does. I suspect this will be subpoenaed very soon and a legal order to not destroy this or any other related evidence will soon be issued.

This very much reminds me of the bank robber who robs a bank and drops his wallet on the way out to the front door.

 

[lpetrich]

Nancy Pelosi:
Nancy Pelosi (@SpeakerPelosi) / Twitter
Nancy Pelosi (@TeamPelosi) / Twitter

Donald J. Trump on Twitter: "Nervous Nancy's unhinged meltdown! https://t.co/RDeUI7sfe7" / Twitter showing a picture of her in a meeting in the White House standing up and pointing a finger at him.

She responded by making that picture her headline picture in both accounts and tweeting that picture with

Nancy Pelosi on Twitter: "I’m not afraid to stand up to President Trump. This is a critical moment in our country’s history, and we have to stand up and do the right thing. https://t.co/1iYjY2TgOl" / Twitter - several others retweeted that picture.

Amy Klobuchar on Twitter: "Can a woman beat Donald Trump?
Yes. @SpeakerPelosi does it every day. https://t.co/ssPErVFbk9" / Twitter

Trump’s “Nervous Nancy” photo shows his problem with powerful women - Vox - "Trump tried to shame Nancy Pelosi by tweeting a photo of their meeting. It backfired."

Pelosi fires back after Trump 'meltdown': 'We have to pray for his health' | TheHill

Democrats say Trump had a 'meltdown' at White House meeting - CNNPolitics

"He was insulting, particularly to the speaker. She kept her cool completely, but he called her a third-rate politician," Senate Democratic leader Chuck Schumer told reporters, describing the interaction. "This was not a dialogue, it was sort of a diatribe. A nasty diatribe, not focused on the facts."
Pelosi added, "What we witnessed on the part of the President was a meltdown, sad to say."

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Pelosi later said that Trump had actually referred to her as a "third-grade politician."

That was about Trump's withdrawal of US troops from Syria, but it does say something about how he relates to NP.

Much like the picture here: G-7 Summit: Angela Merkel and Donald Trump in Viral Photo | Time - from a year ago, Angela Merkel confronting Donald Trump.

 

[Keith&Co.]

This very much reminds me of the bank robber who robs a bank and drops his wallet on the way out to the front door.

nope. Worse than that.
Guy at one of my commands robbed a bank.
During lunch break, changed into civilian clothes, went off base, robbed the bank, went back on base, changed into uniform, went back to the office.
The perfect crime. While cops searched the roads around Kingsland for his car, he'd be on base where they vould not go!
Hang out at the barracks for a few days and it would blow over.

Thing is, to get in and out of our building, you have to have a badge clipped to the shirt. He forgot to take it off during the robbery. Teller saw his name and command.
He also parked in front of the door. Camera inside got his base sticker and license plate.
Cops showed the photos to base police who happily drove them to our building.
They were waiting in the office when we came back from lunch... including the criminal mastermind.
"'This you, Dumbass?"

 

[angelo]

I spent 3 years working at the Parramatta office of the ATO in the INB division. You're wrong.

Well if all the accusations turn out to be fact and not a continuing witch hunt since the 2016 election, which I very much doubt, then you'll have your pound of flesh, right!

If you are found keeping two sets of books (in other words, discrepancies in Notices of Assessment in several holdings) in Australia, you are instantly slapped with a $50,000 fine from Interpretations and Compliance.
That was in 2002, I'm guessing the penalty has increased.

So your argument that "Accusations with that kind of evidence only wouldn't stand up in any court of law in any Western Democratic country" is clearly bullshit.

Well then, the courts will take care of it, right?

 

[PyramidHead]

It really is too bad when the Dems fixed the 2016 election with the Steele Dossier and Ukrainians, that they forgot to use any of it publicly to use it to actually fix the election.

Hang on, which part of the American government does Steele work for again?

Your point?

That politicians asking foreign agents to dig up dirt on their opponents didn't start with Trump and is a shaky foundation for the DNC to be using as sole grounds for impeachment

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

Your point?

That politicians asking foreign agents to dig up dirt on their opponents didn't start with Trump and is a shaky foundation for the DNC to be using as sole grounds for impeachment

We've had issues with Nixon and Reagan dealings with Vietnam and Iran, respectively, for electoral purposes. That doesn't make when Trump did legal. Especially with the Shadow State Department running through Giuliani.

 

[PyramidHead]

Your point?

That politicians asking foreign agents to dig up dirt on their opponents didn't start with Trump and is a shaky foundation for the DNC to be using as sole grounds for impeachment

We've had issues with Nixon and Reagan dealings with Vietnam and Iran, respectively, for electoral purposes. That doesn't make when Trump did legal. Especially with the Shadow State Department running through Giuliani.

It's still a stretch for the DNC to pick that hill to die on, given they did essentially the same thing with Steele in more recent memory, though. They were smarter about it and used indirect means, third parties, private corporations, and so on. But there can be no "sir, how DARE you" to Trump on the part of the DNC leadership, or indeed anyone who cheered on the Steele dossier and hoped it uncovered something juicy, without confronting the fact that Trump's impeachable mistake was, comparatively speaking, getting caught.

 

[Jimmy Higgins]

We've had issues with Nixon and Reagan dealings with Vietnam and Iran, respectively, for electoral purposes. That doesn't make when Trump did legal. Especially with the Shadow State Department running through Giuliani.

It's still a stretch for the DNC to pick that hill to die on, given they did essentially the same thing with Steele in more recent memory, though.They were smarter about it and used indirect means, third parties, private corporations, and so on.

Firstly, that wouldn't be "the same thing" then. Secondly, Steele Dossier started with the right-wing investigating Trump, not the Democratic White House. Thirdly, what hundreds of millions in military welfare payments was involved?

But there can be no "sir, how DARE you" to Trump on the part of the DNC leadership, or indeed anyone who cheered on the Steele dossier and hoped it uncovered something juicy, without confronting the fact that Trump's impeachable mistake was, comparatively speaking, getting caught.

His impeachable "mistakes" are multiple obstruction of justice charges, emolument violations (they aren't even hiding it now), intimidating Federal whistleblower and witnesses, and asking Ukraine to investigate Biden in order to get weapons from the US.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

We've had issues with Nixon and Reagan dealings with Vietnam and Iran, respectively, for electoral purposes. That doesn't make when Trump did legal. Especially with the Shadow State Department running through Giuliani.

It's still a stretch for the DNC to pick that hill to die on, given they did essentially the same thing with Steele in more recent memory, though. They were smarter about it and used indirect means, third parties, private corporations, and so on. But there can be no "sir, how DARE you" to Trump on the part of the DNC leadership, or indeed anyone who cheered on the Steele dossier and hoped it uncovered something juicy, without confronting the fact that Trump's impeachable mistake was, comparatively speaking, getting caught.

Steele dossier was a right wing thang.

 

[PyramidHead]

Firstly, that wouldn't be "the same thing" then. Secondly, Steele Dossier started with the right-wing investigating Trump, not the Democratic White House. Thirdly, what hundreds of millions in military welfare payments was involved?

But there can be no "sir, how DARE you" to Trump on the part of the DNC leadership, or indeed anyone who cheered on the Steele dossier and hoped it uncovered something juicy, without confronting the fact that Trump's impeachable mistake was, comparatively speaking, getting caught.

His impeachable "mistakes" are multiple obstruction of justice charges, emolument violations (they aren't even hiding it now), intimidating Federal whistleblower and witnesses, and asking Ukraine to investigate Biden in order to get weapons from the US.

I agree there's a lot to work with for impeachment, and I hope they broaden the inquiry accordingly.

 

[Treedbear]

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His impeachable "mistakes" are multiple obstruction of justice charges, emolument violations (they aren't even hiding it now), intimidating Federal whistleblower and witnesses, and asking Ukraine to investigate Biden in order to get weapons from the US.

I agree there's a lot to work with for impeachment, and I hope they broaden the inquiry accordingly.

Pelosi wants to focus on Ukraine because things like emoluments violations will become a stalemate. That is, up to the present. Up until now there have been no precedent-setting cases. But this latest move to have the G7 summit at the Trump Doral resort is so blatantly over the line they shouldn't wait until it happens to make it an impeachable issue. It has to be brought before the public now if we are ever to take it seriously again. Accepting payments from foreign entities would be the ultimate source of corruption. It is simply unacceptable, and I think many Republican voters would agree.

 

[Tom Sawyer]

Ya, you actually want to keep it simple and not confuse the issue with multiple crimes. The Ukraine thing is a very clear cut case of an impeachable offense where everyone involved has already admitted to committing the crime, so KISS.

Yes, Trump has also committed multiple other felonies and those can be dealt with by the criminal court system once he's out of office ... because apparently waiting until then is a thing? ... but keep a clear and focused impeachment inquiry.

 

[Don2 (Don1 Revised)]

... but keep a clear and focused impeachment inquiry.

Maybe his defense strategy is to keep piling on felonies so the inquiry never ends.

 

[blastula]

Your point?

That politicians asking foreign agents to dig up dirt on their opponents didn't start with Trump and is a shaky foundation for the DNC to be using as sole grounds for impeachment

Clinton hired Fusion GPS to do oppo research, and they contracted Steele. Nothing illegal or unethical about it even if she hired Steele directly. It's legal to hire foreigners to do legal work for you on a campaign.

Trump used his office to request a personal political favor from another country, and using US aide as inducement, which is clearly corrupt and potentially illegal.

The alt left loves to share talking points with the conspiracy theorist right.

 

[PyramidHead]

Your point?

That politicians asking foreign agents to dig up dirt on their opponents didn't start with Trump and is a shaky foundation for the DNC to be using as sole grounds for impeachment

Clinton hired Fusion GPS to do oppo research, and they contracted Steele. Nothing illegal or unethical about it even if she hired Steele directly. It's legal to hire foreigners to do legal work for you on a campaign.

Trump used his office to request a personal political favor from another country, and using US aide as inducement, which is clearly corrupt and potentially illegal.

I agree the two cases are not exactly the same. However, materially speaking, there is not much daylight between a former Secretary of State using a firm who then hires a former British spy, and a current President directly asking another foreign official, both for the purposes of winning a domestic election. The added layer of quid-pro-quo in Trump's case distinguishes the cases further, although there doesn't seem to be any direct evidence of that.

But in both cases, an outside party with an affiliation to another country is being recruited, either directly or by proxy, to help an American candidate win an upcoming election. In both cases, the political stature of the person making the request played a role in their ability to make it--with Clinton leveraging the party itself as well as the FBI, and Trump using his position as POTUS.

The alt left loves to share talking points with the conspiracy theorist right.

The alt-left is not a thing no matter how many times the term is written, spoken aloud, or typed. It's just not.

 

[blastula]

Clinton hired Fusion GPS to do oppo research, and they contracted Steele. Nothing illegal or unethical about it even if she hired Steele directly. It's legal to hire foreigners to do legal work for you on a campaign.

Trump used his office to request a personal political favor from another country, and using US aide as inducement, which is clearly corrupt and potentially illegal.

I agree the two cases are not exactly the same. However, materially speaking, there is not much daylight between a former Secretary of State using a firm who then hires a former British spy, and a current President directly asking another foreign official, both for the purposes of winning a domestic election. The added layer of quid-pro-quo in Trump's case distinguishes the cases further, although there doesn't seem to be any direct evidence of that.

Nonsense, even without the quid pro quo. Clinton as a private individual hired another private individual Steele to do legitimate legal work. What was wrong or illegal with what Steele did? And Clinton never even used Steele's information in her campaign, so this can only be very fake or ignorant outrage.

Trump was trying to get a foreign government to basically manufacture dirt on his political opponent for no legitimate governmental purpose. Multiple people even in his administration who saw it happening recognized the illegitimacy of the plot.

The alt left loves to share talking points with the conspiracy theorist right.

The alt-left is not a thing no matter how many times the term is written, spoken aloud, or typed. It's just not.

Just because the members don't call themselves that, doesn't mean it's not descriptive. The radical far right don't call themselves by that name.