angelo
Deleted
Exactly!
-
Features
Pelosi: Impeachment Is Moving Forward
- Thread starter Cheerful Charlie
- Start date
Exactly!
I suggest you read what I wrote again.
Koyaanisqatsi
Veteran Member
He thinks he's being clever.
Elixir
Made in America
- Joined
- Oct 22, 2002
- Messages
- 46,562
- Location
- Frozen in Michigan
- Gender
- Old Fart
- Basic Beliefs
- Don't be a dick.
He probably had to find a seamstress to let it out. His head has gotten quite large.
- Joined
- Oct 22, 2002
- Messages
- 46,562
- Location
- Frozen in Michigan
- Gender
- Old Fart
- Basic Beliefs
- Don't be a dick.
What color is the sky in your world, I mean other than the sooty brown smoke in the air?
What, The Dems dominated congress are impartial?
No one is truly impartial. But they did invite Trump to provide his own witnesses and even invited Trump himself to testify. The witnesses that were Trump supporters testified he did commit the crimes he is charged with. The republicans are trying to block all witnesses. It's not the dems that are trying to rig the trial.
Bolton wants to testify - what reason could the Republicans use to block witnesses at this point?
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/06/7939...ify-in-senate-impeachment-trial-if-subpoenaed
What, The Dems dominated congress are impartial?
No one is truly impartial. But they did invite Trump to provide his own witnesses and even invited Trump himself to testify. The witnesses that were Trump supporters testified he did commit the crimes he is charged with. The republicans are trying to block all witnesses. It's not the dems that are trying to rig the trial.
Bolton wants to testify - what reason could the Republicans use to block witnesses at this point?
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/06/7939...ify-in-senate-impeachment-trial-if-subpoenaed
Does he actually want to testify or does he know it's meaningless as the Senate won't call him?
Politesse
Lux Aeterna
- Joined
- Feb 27, 2018
- Messages
- 16,274
- Location
- Tauhalamme/Laquisimas
- Gender
- nonbinary
- Basic Beliefs
- Jedi Wayseeker
What, The Dems dominated congress are impartial?
No one is truly impartial. But they did invite Trump to provide his own witnesses and even invited Trump himself to testify. The witnesses that were Trump supporters testified he did commit the crimes he is charged with. The republicans are trying to block all witnesses. It's not the dems that are trying to rig the trial.
Bolton wants to testify - what reason could the Republicans use to block witnesses at this point?
https://www.npr.org/2020/01/06/7939...ify-in-senate-impeachment-trial-if-subpoenaed
They're following the direction of the President, and he doesn't want witnesses. No secret there, Mitch has been more than clear about his intentions.
He could have stayed quiet if that's the case. Making the offer and saying he wouldn't fight in court only helps the case to call witnesses, so he's effectively burning bridges with the base with little upside, as he's not going to be embraced in anybody who didn't like him before.
My personal read on him is that he views himself a patriot, and has always believed that his desire for intervention in the Middle East would be vindicated in the history books. His joining the Trump Admin was a gamble on being able to push his agenda, and he left when he sensed a risk to that image (viz. Drug deal). Bolton is the archetypal example of someone whose primary motivation is ideology.
I'm not so sure about the no upside bit... he is trying to sell a book that is yet to be released... he is waiting for just the right time... a time like when he gets tthe country talking about what he might say, and then never get called to say it. That's worth Millions in book sales.
He doesn't want to testify, he wants people to want to read his book.
you know what "true patriots" have very little of? Money. His time in politics is coming to an end and a new revenue stream for his retirement is needed.
Elixir
Made in America
Yeah? I think Schiff should subpoena him to appear before the House, and see what happens. If you're right, he'd show up. If he doesn't show up, then we can assume that Loren has correctly pegged his feigned consent as meaningless.
Treedbear
Veteran Member
- Joined
- May 30, 2016
- Messages
- 2,567
- Location
- out on a limb
- Basic Beliefs
- secular, humanist, agnostic on theism/atheism
He's already being criticized for wanting to keep quite about everything he knows to increase sales of his book, instead of helping his country learn the truth now when it matters the most. If he knows McConnell won't call on him then making the offer provides cover. Only it makes the Republicans look even worse for refusing an offer that's ostensibly being made in earnest. Looks like it's time for everyone who's resigned over the past few months to throw the other guys under the bus.
My read could be incorrect, but let's be serious here. The guy has a house in Bethesda Maryland, has a JD from Yalé, and spent time in a right wing think tank.
If that's your definition of 'very little ... money' then I've got to take you less seriously than Bush the Elder marveling at barcode scanners in any thread involving any discussion about money or the economy.
A thought experiment, though. In two parallel universes - one where he testifies and brings down the most disliked president in the history of presidenting, and another where he isn't called to testify and gets curiosity buyers do you really think the second sells more copies than the first? My thinking is that the first scenario has more books sold just from bars that want to frame it and put it next to their Moon landing newspaper. There's no hidden information in this scenario that his book would uncover - everything is out in the open, and I could link out to the parts of the testimony that already exists in the public record. Now people may be interested in a recounting of the prurient details of the Trump White House from the stiffest dweeb in Washington, but the KPIs aren't being moved because readers are motivated by a desire to hear the facts of what he would have said in the trial. Because Mulvaney admitted it on television, and the White House released a record of the call admitting to it.
The fact finding is pretty much done, it's all just a procedural blockade at this point. That's why the Republicans were repeating the same nonsense during the House investigation - not simply talking nonsense as standard but repeating the same nonsense ad nauseum. What's there to be seen is apparent, the only defense is to look away and block everybody in the cheap seats from being able to see. I'm certainly not expecting my B.Dalton stock to rebound from his book, though I'm sure he'll sell a few copies.
Koyaanisqatsi
Veteran Member
His testimony is irrelevant and untrustworthy, no matter what he says. If he's against Trump, it can be spun as "disgruntled ex employee out to sell his book." If he's pro Trump, it will be because Trump just started a war with Iran, which Bolton has always wanted and that will take precedent in his mind (i.e., to continue to wage war with Iran, so he'll lie about what happened with Ukraine to support Trump's war with Iran).
Ah yes, so it's better that he not testify and we stay on course - the Dems make their argument, the Reps offer their blatherskite and we get an up and down party line vote.
What the fuck is the alternative?
Are you seriously arguing that if he simply said nothing that any other outcome would have come about? What do you think will happen - a Jimmy Stewart style speech that makes the Reps come to their senses?
Koyaanisqatsi
Veteran Member
You dropped your straw.
Elixir
Made in America
What the fuck is the alternative?
Is there some statutory requirement that Pelosi hand over the articles of impeachment by some date?
If not, she should hold onto them until after the election. If so - she should hold onto them until after the election. Let Moscow Mitch go to court to try to force her to release them. Refuse, delay, appeal, delay again as necessary. Ten months is nothing in the land of courts.
That's the alternative.
Jimmy Higgins
Contributor
- Joined
- Jan 31, 2001
- Messages
- 50,332
- Basic Beliefs
- Calvinistic Atheist
I much rather have Duffey testify.
Ah yes, so it's better that he not testify and we stay on course - the Dems make their argument, the Reps offer their blatherskite and we get an up and down party line vote.
What the fuck is the alternative?
Are you seriously arguing that if he simply said nothing that any other outcome would have come about? What do you think will happen - a Jimmy Stewart style speech that makes the Reps come to their senses?