Police Misconduct Catch All Thread

[Derec]

The position should be abolished, replaced with medical examiners (who are professionals.)

I agree. That's how it is where I live, hence my confusion.
In general, too many positions in the US are directly elected.

 

[ZiprHead]

That does not mean that generally determinations of causes of death should be changed due to political pressure.

How do you know the political pressure didn't cause the ME to tell the truth?

 

[Derec]

How do you know the political pressure didn't cause the ME to tell the truth?

She had no reason to lie in the first place. She has a reason to lie if there is political pressure to change her findings.

 

[laughing dog]

How do you know the political pressure didn't cause the ME to tell the truth?

She had no reason to lie in the first place. She has a reason to lie if there is political pressure to change her findings.

To be precise, you feel she had no reason to lie in the first place. And perhaps, there was no lie. It is possible someone simply made a mistake and corrected it.

 

[ZiprHead]

How do you know the political pressure didn't cause the ME to tell the truth?

She had no reason to lie in the first place. She has a reason to lie if there is political pressure to change her findings.

Of course she had reason, to protect her cop buddies. You act like that never happens.

A DEADLY PAIR: CONFLICTS OF INTEREST BETWEEN DEATH INVESTIGATORS AND PROSECUTORS

Despite the prosecutor’s apparently unlimited authority, there arenumerous constraints on prosecutorial discretion, from a defendant’s rightagainst self-incrimination to due process protections. Most prevalent to thedeath investigation system are standards that constrain prosecutors in their useof scientific evidence and testimony. The standard set out in Brady v.Maryland75 is a prime example of how evidentiary standards that require strictdisclosure may curb abuses of prosecutorial discretion.76

Brady imposes anaffirmative obligation on prosecutors to disclose exculpatory evidence to thedefendant and applies, for example, when prosecutors solicit false testimony orallow false testimony to go uncorrected.77 If a prosecutor fails in thisobligation, provided the issue at hand is material, the defendant is typicallyentitled to a new trial.78In theory, standards such as Brady place a check on prosecutorialdiscretion; in reality, however, these standards fall short of protecting theinnocent and fail to sufficiently condemn prosecutorial abuse.79 Whenexamining an alleged Brady violation, courts require a finding of egregiousmisconduct and require defendants to meet a nearly unattainable bar ofmateriality.80 Such insubstantial constraints mean that prosecutors are rarely investigated or disciplined, even when a defendant’s rights have clearly been
violated.81 Since the standard is so high, most allegations fail to trigger a Brady violation. Even well-meaning prosecutors, through their relationship and access to death investigators, can bend the results of an investigation and
encourage the production of false or misleading evidence that may send an innocent defendant to prison.

In addition to the difficulties associated with asserting a Brady violation, statutory immunity serves to insulate prosecutors from misconduct charges. Even when government officials act illegally or unethically, they generally enjoy immunity as long as they are “acting within the scope of their employment,” regardless of the nature of the violation. 82 The provision of immunity is an attempt to balance both the need to hold officials accountable and the need to protect officials acting reasonably from “harassment, distraction, and liability.” 83 But just as disclosure obligations are ineffective at holding prosecutors accountable, immunity shields prosecutors from misconduct claims and lowers the bar of accountability.84

The opportunity for the misuse of scientific evidence and testimony, coupled with an unattainable immunity standard, complicates how prosecutors interact with death investigators. The system is already structured in a way that lends itself to conflicting interests for prosecutors and death investigators. Without proper checks on that system, however, conflicts may go unchecked or unresolved. On one level, the evidentiary standards established by courts seem to indicate a willingness to address these problems. On another level, though, the inability of the public to hold officials accountable cuts the other way. The following Part highlights the improper association between prosecutors and death investigators resulting from the failure of the constraints on both offices.

 

[Patooka]

She had no reason to lie in the first place. She has a reason to lie if there is political pressure to change her findings.

The political pressure to lie in the first findings is already entrenched and heavily localised.

 

[TSwizzle]

Good grief;

This is the bizarre moment when a police officer opened fire on a handcuffed, unarmed suspect in his own patrol car after an acorn landed on his vehicle. Deputy Jesse Hernandez of Okaloosa County, Florida, thought that he was being shot at when he heard the innocent acorn drop onto the hood of his car - and an internal probe found that his use of force was not justified. Shocking video footage released this week showed how close his absurd reaction was to killing the man inside his car, identified as 22-year-old Marquis Jackson.

Daily Mail

 

[ZiprHead]

Good grief;

This is the bizarre moment when a police officer opened fire on a handcuffed, unarmed suspect in his own patrol car after an acorn landed on his vehicle. Deputy Jesse Hernandez of Okaloosa County, Florida, thought that he was being shot at when he heard the innocent acorn drop onto the hood of his car - and an internal probe found that his use of force was not justified. Shocking video footage released this week showed how close his absurd reaction was to killing the man inside his car, identified as 22-year-old Marquis Jackson.

Daily Mail

I saw that and almost posted it myself. That's what you get when the reaction is shoot first, ask questions later.

 

[unapologetic]

Yes, really. Coroners are medical professionals. Why should they lie (and risk their reputation and possibly their license) to protect some random cops?

Not in America they are not. The expertise required is frighteningly low. A hairdresser can be a coroner.

Thanks Patooka, for posting that. I couldn't find it.
Coroners and MEs are generally right wing law-and-order types, to want to go into that line of work, in the first place.
Don't need much motivation to back up the police account.

 

[blastula]

This one takes shootings justified by police fear to an absurd level.



"I'm hit. I'm hit."

No charges will be filed.

Florida deputy fires weapon after mistaking sound of acorn hitting patrol car for gunshot

A now-former Florida deputy fired his weapon after mistaking the sound of an acorn hitting the roof of his patrol vehicle as a muffled gunshot, an investigation found.

abcnews.go.com

 

[Tigers!]

Good grief;

This is the bizarre moment when a police officer opened fire on a handcuffed, unarmed suspect in his own patrol car after an acorn landed on his vehicle. Deputy Jesse Hernandez of Okaloosa County, Florida, thought that he was being shot at when he heard the innocent acorn drop onto the hood of his car - and an internal probe found that his use of force was not justified. Shocking video footage released this week showed how close his absurd reaction was to killing the man inside his car, identified as 22-year-old Marquis Jackson.

Daily Mail

I saw that and almost posted it myself. That's what you get when the reaction is shoot first, don't ask questions later.

FIFY

What sort of training is provided for police officers in the USA. Seems very minimal apart from can you say "Shoot" or "Fire" out loud.

PS. I thought you didn't post stories from the Daily Mail?

 

[ZiprHead]

PS. I thought you didn't post stories from the Daily Mail?

Don't need the DM to find that story.

 

[TSwizzle]

LAPD shoot and kill a homeless guy brandishing a plastic fork;

Shocking video has been released showing the moment Los Angeles cops shot dead a bipolar man carrying a plastic fork. Jason Maccani, 36, was gunned down in a Skid Row warehouse on Saturday. Police were called to the scene to a report of a man threatening people with a 'stick or pole.' Authorities claimed the deceased 'charged' at them, but video shows how Maccani initially complied with orders to surrender, before dropping his hands and advancing towards them. This prompted cops to begin firing beanbags and rubber projectiles before rookie officer Caleb Garcia-Alamilla discharged a lethal round into the victim's chest. Surveillance footage shows seven officers advancing down the corridor at the 600 block of Towne Avenue. Maccani then continues to lurch towards them, making contact with a beanbag shotgun being held by a female officer. As he grabs for the gun, another officer unleashes the lethal round from his gun and the cops wrestle Maccani to the ground.

Daily Mail

Female officers are a liability in these situations.

 

[Loren Pechtel]

LAPD shoot and kill a homeless guy brandishing a plastic fork;

Shocking video has been released showing the moment Los Angeles cops shot dead a bipolar man carrying a plastic fork. Jason Maccani, 36, was gunned down in a Skid Row warehouse on Saturday. Police were called to the scene to a report of a man threatening people with a 'stick or pole.' Authorities claimed the deceased 'charged' at them, but video shows how Maccani initially complied with orders to surrender, before dropping his hands and advancing towards them. This prompted cops to begin firing beanbags and rubber projectiles before rookie officer Caleb Garcia-Alamilla discharged a lethal round into the victim's chest. Surveillance footage shows seven officers advancing down the corridor at the 600 block of Towne Avenue. Maccani then continues to lurch towards them, making contact with a beanbag shotgun being held by a female officer. As he grabs for the gun, another officer unleashes the lethal round from his gun and the cops wrestle Maccani to the ground.

Daily Mail

Female officers are a liability in these situations.

What's female got to do with it? Trying to grab an officer's gun is a good way to commit suicide.

 

[laughing dog]

LAPD shoot and kill a homeless guy brandishing a plastic fork;

Shocking video has been released showing the moment Los Angeles cops shot dead a bipolar man carrying a plastic fork. Jason Maccani, 36, was gunned down in a Skid Row warehouse on Saturday. Police were called to the scene to a report of a man threatening people with a 'stick or pole.' Authorities claimed the deceased 'charged' at them, but video shows how Maccani initially complied with orders to surrender, before dropping his hands and advancing towards them. This prompted cops to begin firing beanbags and rubber projectiles before rookie officer Caleb Garcia-Alamilla discharged a lethal round into the victim's chest. Surveillance footage shows seven officers advancing down the corridor at the 600 block of Towne Avenue. Maccani then continues to lurch towards them, making contact with a beanbag shotgun being held by a female officer. As he grabs for the gun, another officer unleashes the lethal round from his gun and the cops wrestle Maccani to the ground.

Daily Mail

Female officers are a liability in these situations.

What's female got to do with it? Trying to grab an officer's gun is a good way to commit suicide.

A bean bag gun?

 

[ZiprHead]

I actually considered making a taunting post that Loren would play police defender but I decided even he couldn't be that inconsiderate of human life.

Sadly I was wrong.

 

[Worldtraveller]

Once you go fasch, you never go back, right LP?

 

[ZiprHead]

2 more former Mississippi 'Goon Squad' deputies sentenced in torture of 2 Black men

JACKSON, Miss. — A Mississippi federal judge is sentencing additional former law enforcement officers to serve significant prison time in a disturbing brutality case in which the six white lawmen pleaded guilty to federal civil rights charges for torturing two Black men last year.

They were part of a self-styled "Goon Squad" known locally for using violent and aggressive tactics in Rankin County, a suburb of Jackson, Miss.

On Wednesday, U.S. District Judge Tom Lee sentenced former Rankin County sheriff's deputy Christian Dedmon to 40 years in federal prison, and ex-deputy Daniel Opdyke to 17.5 years for their roles in the racist attack on Michael Corey Jenkins and Eddie Terrell Parker during a no-warrant house raid. The Black men were targeted after a neighbor complained about them staying in a white woman's home.

Not enough considering what they did.

 

[Derec]

What's female got to do with it? Trying to grab an officer's gun is a good way to commit suicide.

I would think it has to do with the fact that, on average, women are smaller and weaker than men. So a perp would think his odds better pulling this shit on a female officer.
This case is not appropriate for this thread though. There is no misconduct here.

 

[TSwizzle]

I would think it has to do with the fact that, on average, women are smaller and weaker than men. So a perp would think his odds better pulling this shit on a female officer.
This case is not appropriate for this thread though. There is no misconduct here.

Really? Seven officers against one spaced out homeless guy with a plastic spoon. At the very least it is incompetence.